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MiraclesHappen #21 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 15:42

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View PostSock5, on Jun 03 2016 - 14:20, said:

If you're not opposed to it, get the mod where you can change the names of the tanks on your screen.

 

For instance, you could replace the T95 with the name: Doom Turtle.

 

Didn't know there was.

 

Any idea where one might find it?



MiraclesHappen #22 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 15:45

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View PostCelticArchangel, on Jun 03 2016 - 15:42, said:

Just like with the German 100 series.

E100

J100

W100 (now the Grille 15)

 

Its not known as the Tiger III because it's technically not the Tiger III. Its runs by the VK name because that's how its to be known.

 

Just like The Jagdpanzer 38.. it's NOT called Hetzer... but because of some document confusion and thus causing a coined troop joke during WW2, the name Hetzer stuck. In reality, the model E-10 was the true Hetzer

 

 

Yeah the E series would be another one to get that treatment.

I wouldn't hate something being done about the same name tanks too, like the T34s. Yeah I know tier spread should help, but it would be nice to not have an American Heavy that was never produced have the same name as the Russian medium.

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This all illustrates why I love the nicknames that people have come up with (Doom Turtle is still my favourite)...

Blackhorse_Six_ #24 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 15:59

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View PostAsiaticus, on Jun 03 2016 - 08:54, said:

I think of it as the Real Panther. The tier 7 with the alternate turret and the L/gajillion gun is the Fake Panther.

 

All the top-end Grinders are fake or "enhanced".

 

The Premiums are supposed to be modeled as close as possible to their real or projected characteristics.

 

The American lines need a good Tier 8 Premium Heavy and a good Tier 6/7  Premium TD ...

 

M36B1 ... the real Jackson ftw ...



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View Post_Tsavo_, on Jun 03 2016 - 14:03, said:

it's not hard to remember the German tank names and tank model numbers, not hard at all.

 

It is at least as hard as 46%

mattwong #26 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 16:18

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View PostMiraclesHappen, on Jun 03 2016 - 07:54, said:

Am I the only one who goes crosseyed in game trying to figure out which VKXXXXX is which?
Same same Object XXX etc.
Drives me nuts.

GIVE THEM NAMES!!!! Then USE them as the official in game name.

Especially for the ones like the new Tiger III which apparently had a designation or nickname.

But for all of them. Just make one up if you have to. Its already fantasy so who cares? Use the project name in the detailed description, but also say "And it was referred to as this" or "we're just gonna call it this".

Heck you could even put it to player survey, or a contest or both.

Just watch out you dont leave the door open to Tanky MCTankface.

 

But "Tiger III" implies that it's better or more powerful than a Tiger II, and it's weaker than a Tiger II in pretty much every way.

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View Postmattwong, on Jun 03 2016 - 10:18, said:

But "Tiger III" implies that it's better or more powerful than a Tiger II, and it's weaker than a Tiger II in pretty much every way.

 

wow ...

 

We agree on something ...

 

Almost verbatum, even.

 

(+1) ... grudgingly ...



WulfeHound #28 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 17:29

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View PostBlackhorse_Six_, on Jun 03 2016 - 09:59, said:

 

All the top-end Grinders are fake.

 

The Premiums are supposed to be modeled as close as possible to their real or projected characteristics.

 

The American lines need a good Tier 8 Premium Heavy and a good Tier 6/7  Premium TD ...

 

M36B1 ... the real Jackson ftw ...

 

Wait, what? The majority of the tier 10's existed in some form, with the exception of the E-50M.

 

The US needs a good tier 8 premium heavy? There's already one. It's called the T34.

 

M36B1 is on hold until alternate hulls are added



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View PostWulfeHound, on Jun 03 2016 - 11:29, said:

There's already one. It's called the T34.

 

The T34 is a victim of power creep ...

 

It is slow in all it's moving parts and cannot brawl with the latest, more mobile Mediums and Heavies, even with a dedicated multi-skill crew.

 

Nevermind the plethora of newer lights with powerful, Hi-ROF guns.

 

And the alternate hull-concept is stupid ....

 

Just put the M36B1 in the goddamn game and get-on with it.



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View PostBlackhorse_Six_, on Jun 03 2016 - 11:44, said:

 

The T34 is a victim of power creep ...

 

It is slow in all it's moving parts and cannot brawl with the latest, more mobile Mediums and Heavies, even with a dedicated multi-skill crew.

 

Nevermind the plethora of newer lights with powerful, Hi-ROF guns.

 

 

If you're brawling with a T34 you're doing it wrong. It's more of a second line support tank, where it can use its decent penetration and accuracy to its advantage

 

Block Quote

 

And the hull-concept is stupid ....

 

Just put the M36B1 in the goddamn game.

 

Hey, I'm just saying what WG (and The_Chieftain in particular) has said. Not my fault.



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View PostWulfeHound, on Jun 03 2016 - 11:50, said:

If you're brawling with a T34 you're doing it wrong. It's more of a second line support tank, where it can use its decent penetration and accuracy to its advantage

 

How fortunate you are that your teams don't vaporize in the first 2 minutes ....

 

Wish I had your luck, son.



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View PostWulfeHound, on Jun 03 2016 - 17:29, said:

 

Wait, what? The majority of the tier 10's existed in some form, with the exception of the E-50M.

 

The US needs a good tier 8 premium heavy? There's already one. It's called the T34.

 

M36B1 is on hold until alternate hulls are added

 

Not the last time I looked.
I don't play German or Chinese but the US, UK Soviet and French lines have mostly posers at tier X.

 



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View Postmattwong, on Jun 03 2016 - 16:18, said:

 

But "Tiger III" implies that it's better or more powerful than a Tiger II, and it's weaker than a Tiger II in pretty much every way.

 

VKGobbldey is even more confusing.

 

 


Edited by MiraclesHappen, Jun 03 2016 - 20:13.


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View PostMiraclesHappen, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:37, said:

 

Not the last time I looked.
I don't play German or Chinese but the US, UK Soviet and French lines have mostly posers at tier X.

 

 

US:

T110 series - existed in plans (modified by WG)

T92 - one or two pilot vehicles constructed

M48 - used in service

T57 Heavy - single prototype built and tested

M60 - used in service

T95E6 - existed in plans

 

UK:

215b (120) - fake

215b (183) existed as a mockup

4005 Stage II - single prototype built and tested

Conq GC - fake

Centurion AX - single prototype built and tested

 

USSR:

Obj. 140/430 - prototypes built and tested

T-62A - entered limited production

Obj. 268 - prototypes built and tested

Obj. 263 - existed in plans/mockups

IS-7 - prototypes built and tested

IS-4 - used in service

Obj. 261 - existed in plans/mockups

Obj. 260 - prototype built and tested

Obj. 907 - mockup constructed

T-22sr - hull and turret ballistically tested, never went beyond this stage

 

French:

Foch 155 - existed in plans

AMX 50b - prototypes built and tested

Batchat 25t - prototypes built and tested

AMX-30 - used in service

Batchat 155 58 - existed in plans/mockup constructed

 

Germany:

GW E-100 - fake

Grille 15 - existed in plans

Jpz E-100 - existed in plans

Maus - prototypes built and tested

E-100 - single hull constructed

E-50M - heavily modified plan (semi fake)

Leopard 1 - used in service

VK 72.01(K) - existed in plans

 

China:

121 - prototype built and tested (maybe)

113 - prototype built and tested (maybe)

121B - entered production

 

Japan:

STB-1 - prototypes built and tested

Type 5 - existed in plans, heavily modified by WG

 

Czechoslovakia:

T 50/51 - existed in plans

 

 

So out of all the tier 10's, only 3 are blatantly fake. A lot are either paper designs or were mockups, but they did exist in some form



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View PostWulfeHound, on Jun 03 2016 - 18:59, said:

 

US:

T110 series - existed in plans (modified by WG)

T92 - one or two pilot vehicles constructed

M48 - used in service

T57 Heavy - single prototype built and tested

M60 - used in service

T95E6 - existed in plans

 

UK:

215b (120) - fake

215b (183) existed as a mockup

4005 Stage II - single prototype built and tested

Conq GC - fake

Centurion AX - single prototype built and tested

 

USSR:

Obj. 140/430 - prototypes built and tested

T-62A - entered limited production

Obj. 268 - prototypes built and tested

Obj. 263 - existed in plans/mockups

IS-7 - prototypes built and tested

IS-4 - used in service

Obj. 261 - existed in plans/mockups

Obj. 260 - prototype built and tested

Obj. 907 - mockup constructed

T-22sr - hull and turret ballistically tested, never went beyond this stage

 

French:

Foch 155 - existed in plans

AMX 50b - prototypes built and tested

Batchat 25t - prototypes built and tested

AMX-30 - used in service

Batchat 155 58 - existed in plans/mockup constructed

 

Germany:

GW E-100 - fake

Grille 15 - existed in plans

Jpz E-100 - existed in plans

Maus - prototypes built and tested

E-100 - single hull constructed

E-50M - heavily modified plan (semi fake)

Leopard 1 - used in service

VK 72.01(K) - existed in plans

 

China:

121 - prototype built and tested (maybe)

113 - prototype built and tested (maybe)

121B - entered production

 

Japan:

STB-1 - prototypes built and tested

Type 5 - existed in plans, heavily modified by WG

 

Czechoslovakia:

T 50/51 - existed in plans

 

 

So out of all the tier 10's, only 3 are blatantly fake. A lot are either paper designs or were mockups, but they did exist in some form

 

To me, if it wasn't mass produced, its fake. You lack real data as to its capabilities as a real world AFV, how it would actually have been built or if it actually would have functioned. That latter point is not trivial, most cancelled projects are cancelled for good reason.

By that reality based standard, the Japanese, Chinese, Czech and UK have none, Germany, US and France have one each and the Soviets have 2. So you have five total real tier ten tanks, the T62, IS4, M48, Leopard and AMX30.

Tier IX is not much better.

 

Not that I have a problem with that. If I want nothing but real tanks I will play WWIIOL. But that's what it is.

 



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View PostMiraclesHappen, on Jun 03 2016 - 14:11, said:

 

To me, if it wasn't mass produced, its fake. You lack real data as to its capabilities as a real world AFV, how it would actually have been built or if it actually would have functioned. That latter point is not trivial, most cancelled projects are cancelled for good reason.

By that reality based standard, the Japanese, Chinese, Czech and UK have none, Germany, US and France have one each and the Soviets have 2. So you have five total real tier ten tanks, the T62, IS4, M48, Leopard and AMX30.

Tier IX is not much better.

 

Not that I have a problem with that. If I want nothing but real tanks I will play WWIIOL. But that's what it is.

 

 

>calls anything not mass produced fake

What? Do you realize just how absurd that logic is? And there is data as to how the vehicles would perform, that's why they were tested.



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View PostWulfeHound, on Jun 03 2016 - 14:53, said:

And there is data as to how the vehicles would perform, that's why they were tested.

 

Right, although the fact that they were not produced afterward suggests that the tests went poorly.



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View Postmattwong, on Jun 03 2016 - 15:39, said:

 

Right, although the fact that they were not produced afterward suggests that the tests went poorly.

 

In certain cases it was because of weight. Case in point, the IS-7. It passed trials but was not accepted into service because it was too heavy.

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Isn't the 'not mass-produced' logic a bit harsh? For example (if memory serves) wasn't there only 1 Tiger (P) and that's quite a fun part of the game?


Edited by Verblonde, Jun 03 2016 - 22:16.


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View PostVerblonde, on Jun 03 2016 - 16:02, said:

Isn't the 'not mass-produced' logic a bit harsh? For example (if memory serves) wasn't there only 1 Tiger (P) and that's quite a fun part of the game?
 

 

Nearly 100 hulls were built, while only 5 actual tanks were completed (and three were converted into armored recovery vehicles).




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