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BigRedTankGuy #1 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 19:38

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This games tanks are based off WWII correct (more correctly pre, during and post WWII). The Main Axis Powers in WWII were Germany, Italy and Japan. The Main Allied powers were the US, UK and Russia. So why is it that Italy is still the only Main Power in WWII that is missing from the tech tree?


 

Why is it that Italy, One of the Main powers in WWII and supplied directly by Germany (Known for its tanks) is still missing from the tech tree?


 

This is made even stranger when there are "minor" and even conquered powers like Czechoslovakia and France that now have tech trees. Then there are powers that were well known to have little to any armored force at all like China and Japan.


 

How can one of the Major powers that was directly supplied by one of the greatest known tank building nations in the war not have its own tech tree?


 

I know this has been brought up before but I'm pretty sure that Italy had better tanks then China and Japan. China and Japan had so few tanks to even speak of that most of their tech trees are from other nations or were never more then plans.


 

WG PLEASE bring in a Italian tank line.


 



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #2 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 19:44

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bet they'd be a ton of fun at low tier =D


Edited by Strike_Witch_Tomoko, Jun 03 2016 - 19:45.


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Italy was a tank building nation?

 

 

That's news to me........



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #4 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 19:49

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View PostTwixOps, on Jun 03 2016 - 11:44, said:

Italy was a tank building nation?

 

 

That's news to me........

 

eh more.....tankette than tanks.

but they had a few tanks that were pretty nice

 

but we all know what happened to italy and so they got cut short....(kinda depressing how little the history books speak of the italian campaign.  that campaign screwed germany over in the east by forcing germany to send resources to italy...only for italy to fall so fast...and then they had to bring the resources all the way back to the east.....and then to the west again...  had it not been for how fast italy fell, or for when they got hit when they did,  russia might have found a much stronger german force)


Edited by Strike_Witch_Tomoko, Jun 03 2016 - 19:50.


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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Jun 03 2016 - 19:49, said:

 

eh more.....tankette than tanks.

but they had a few tanks that were pretty nice

 

but we all know what happened to italy and so they got cut short....(kinda depressing how little the history books speak of the italian campaign.  that campaign screwed germany over in the east by forcing germany to send resources to italy...only for italy to fall so fast...and then they had to bring the resources all the way back to the east.....and then to the west again...  had it not been for how fast italy fell, or for when they got hit when they did,  russia might have found a much stronger german force)

 

Italy really screwed Germany over. They couldn't win in Greece, which forced Germany to divert resources... couldn't win in Africa, which forced them to divert resources... and finally they had to divert resources to try and save Italy once the Allies invaded. How different would it have been if Italy had remained neutral? 



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And I'm not sure if they could even make a full Italian tank line, honestly.

TwixOps #7 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 19:56

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Jun 03 2016 - 14:49, said:

 

eh more.....tankette than tanks.

but they had a few tanks that were pretty nice

 

but we all know what happened to italy and so they got cut short....(kinda depressing how little the history books speak of the italian campaign.  that campaign screwed germany over in the east by forcing germany to send resources to italy...only for italy to fall so fast...and then they had to bring the resources all the way back to the east.....and then to the west again...  had it not been for how fast italy fell, or for when they got hit when they did,  russia might have found a much stronger german force)

 

Exactly.  There are no native Italian projects that can take the line too past tier 5 or 6.  Other than that, you're back to just  doing what the OP complained about doing to the Chineese branch... adding a bunch of foreign designs, like the ferdinand, tiger, or M47

RamaLamaDingDong2 #8 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 20:01

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View PostBigRedTankGuy, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:38, said:

This games tanks are based off WWII correct (more correctly pre, during and post WWII). The Main Axis Powers in WWII were Germany, Italy and Japan. The Main Allied powers were the US, UK and Russia. So why is it that Italy is still the only Main Power in WWII that is missing from the tech tree?


 

Why is it that Italy, One of the Main powers in WWII and supplied directly by Germany (Known for its tanks) is still missing from the tech tree?


 

This is made even stranger when there are "minor" and even conquered powers like Czechoslovakia and France that now have tech trees. Then there are powers that were well known to have little to any armored force at all like China and Japan.


 

How can one of the Major powers that was directly supplied by one of the greatest known tank building nations in the war not have its own tech tree?


 

I know this has been brought up before but I'm pretty sure that Italy had better tanks then China and Japan. China and Japan had so few tanks to even speak of that most of their tech trees are from other nations or were never more then plans.


 

WG PLEASE bring in a Italian tank line.


 

 

Take a look at the actual tanks Italy had. Even WoT fantasy team builders couldnt make the competitive.

Strike_Witch_Tomoko #9 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 20:03

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View PostSavage281, on Jun 03 2016 - 11:55, said:

 

Italy really screwed Germany over. They couldn't win in Greece, which forced Germany to divert resources... couldn't win in Africa, which forced them to divert resources... and finally they had to divert resources to try and save Italy once the Allies invaded. How different would it have been if Italy had remained neutral? 

 

if italy had remained neutral......hm thats a thinker

 

germany's nazi party might have been alot different (as initially they modeled themselves after italy's party...at first)

 

italy would probably have been taken over by germany(proximity) and servered directly under them instead of aggroing everyone in the world.

 

but it would have cost germany a bit more time, and lost them a few meatshields......hm...honestly yeah, Italy screwed germany over in more ways than i thought 

 

View PostTwixOps, on Jun 03 2016 - 11:56, said:

 

Exactly.  There are no native Italian projects that can take the line too past tier 5 or 6.  Other than that, you're back to just  doing what the OP complained about doing to the Chineese branch... adding a bunch of foreign designs, like the ferdinand, tiger, or M47

 

it might be fun to have a tank line that goes up to tier 6.  cw at tier 6 would work for that.   and stronghold.

 

heck this mentality of "must always go to tier 10" has honestly been getting tiring as it keeps creating balance problems(see german flak line when it first came out)

 

 

T57 heavy line could be the sorta model for a line like Italy.  aka tankettes from tier 2-4 or 5.   mediums from tier 4-6.  heavy at tier 6.   split up the lines when they get enough to stand on their own

and then someday if new tank designs are found (i said found WG,  not made up by some drunk who is dreaming of a screwed up design....aka WT auf E 100), they could be added in.

 

this could work to add alot more lines into the game  (and thus less russian clones be added on a monthly freakin basis)

 

 

seriously.  get tanks from other nations. i don't care how.  stop the russian flood.

 

 

 

http://ftr.wot-news....an-medium-line/

Tier 1 – Fiat 3000B

Tier 2 – M11/39

Tier 3 – M13/40 and M14/41

Tier 4 – M15/42

Tier 5 – P.26/40   <-oh hell yes

Tier 6 – P.43

and end there till new designs can be found.

 

add a mini tankette line from tier 2-4 that leads to P.26/40

 

 

and continue adding to chetz

 

http://ftr.wot-news....the-eu-nations/

 


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Well, would the line need to go to tier X?  Could WG simply make the line to tier 6?

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:49, said:

 

eh more.....tankette than tanks.

but they had a few tanks that were pretty nice

 

but we all know what happened to italy and so they got cut short....(kinda depressing how little the history books speak of the italian campaign.  that campaign screwed germany over in the east by forcing germany to send resources to italy...only for italy to fall so fast...and then they had to bring the resources all the way back to the east.....and then to the west again...  had it not been for how fast italy fell, or for when they got hit when they did,  russia might have found a much stronger german force)

 Italians proved their bravery when they fought well during the Great War. In the next world war, they had no motivation to fight. Mussolini was no Pied Piper of Hamelin like Hitler. And unlike the Germans, the Italians were not children willing to jump off a cliff so the assertion that Italy fell fast due to poor ability is nonsense. They quit because they didnt want the war. They didnt want the Italian leadership. They didnt want thier country wreaked for a regime they hated under the thumb of a maniac in Berlin.

 

"It was a very famous assertion that the Germans had to bail out the Italians out.

'But this notion is a post war myth - perpetuated by German war veterans who regarded the Italians as lazy and cowardly.
 
'The records show the Italians fought courageously and brutally - but were let down by bad leadership.
 
'Italians also fought on the Eastern front - and testimony by Russian POWs said they were just as brutal as the Germans."
 
But Italian tanks simply dont exist to make a tech tree without liberal application.


Strike_Witch_Tomoko #12 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 20:15

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View PostCanOfTomatoes, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:12, said:

 

But Italian tanks simply dont exist to make a tech tree without liberal application.

make it to tier 6

 

i know 1 group of people on SEA who keep asking for the P.26/40 over and over

 



WileyCat #13 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 20:46

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View PostBigRedTankGuy, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:38, said:

This games tanks are based off WWII correct (more correctly pre, during and post WWII). The Main Axis Powers in WWII were Germany, Italy and Japan. The Main Allied powers were the US, UK and Russia. So why is it that Italy is still the only Main Power in WWII that is missing from the tech tree?


 

Why is it that Italy, One of the Main powers in WWII and supplied directly by Germany (Known for its tanks) is still missing from the tech tree?


 

This is made even stranger when there are "minor" and even conquered powers like Czechoslovakia and France that now have tech trees. Then there are powers that were well known to have little to any armored force at all like China and Japan.


 

How can one of the Major powers that was directly supplied by one of the greatest known tank building nations in the war not have its own tech tree?


 

I know this has been brought up before but I'm pretty sure that Italy had better tanks then China and Japan. China and Japan had so few tanks to even speak of that most of their tech trees are from other nations or were never more then plans.


 

WG PLEASE bring in a Italian tank line.


 

its timeline goes up to the 1960's i think

 

 



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #14 Posted Jun 03 2016 - 20:49

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View PostWileyCat, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:46, said:

its timeline goes up to the 1960's i think

 

 

 

STB-1

so 1970s



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View PostCanOfTomatoes, on Jun 03 2016 - 13:12, said:

 Italians proved their bravery when they fought well during the Great War. In the next world war, they had no motivation to fight. Mussolini was no Pied Piper of Hamelin like Hitler. And unlike the Germans, the Italians were not children willing to jump off a cliff so the assertion that Italy fell fast due to poor ability is nonsense. They quit because they didnt want the war. They didnt want the Italian leadership. They didnt want thier country wreaked for a regime they hated under the thumb of a maniac in Berlin.

 

"It was a very famous assertion that the Germans had to bail out the Italians out.

'But this notion is a post war myth - perpetuated by German war veterans who regarded the Italians as lazy and cowardly.
 
'The records show the Italians fought courageously and brutally - but were let down by bad leadership.
 
'Italians also fought on the Eastern front - and testimony by Russian POWs said they were just as brutal as the Germans."
 
But Italian tanks simply dont exist to make a tech tree without liberal application.

This



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It's all about $... Italian market is small and most people can't name an Italian tank.  We'll have a Polish line, though tank production wasn't their thing...but note where WOT championship is taking place year after year.  

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View PostSavage281, on Jun 03 2016 - 13:56, said:

And I'm not sure if they could even make a full Italian tank line, honestly.

Italian vehicles can go up to tier 6 or 7 before resorting to pure clones

View PostTwixOps, on Jun 03 2016 - 13:56, said:

 

Exactly.  There are no native Italian projects that can take the line too past tier 5 or 6.  Other than that, you're back to just  doing what the OP complained about doing to the Chineese branch... adding a bunch of foreign designs, like the ferdinand, tiger, or M47

Past tier 6 or 7 it would most likely be the Panther, M47, and Leopard 1 clone

 

View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Jun 03 2016 - 14:49, said:

 

STB-1

so 1970s

There's no hard date limit as to when a tank can be added. Type 64 is from 1975, and if the Merkava 1 is added that would be 1974/78.



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WG doesn't want a line to tier 6, largely because people want the lines to get to tier 10.

 

People wanted tier 10 mediums, tier 10 arty, and now demand tier 10 lights.

 

Having a nation that can't get to 10 is problematic, and would require 4 fantasy tanks (or clones, which would be just as bad) to be created, which will be inevitably complained about (not due to power creep, but being fake).


Edited by Kamahl1234, Jun 03 2016 - 21:13.


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View PostBigRedTankGuy, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:38, said:

This games tanks are based off WWII correct (more correctly pre, during and post WWII). The Main Axis Powers in WWII were Germany, Italy and Japan. The Main Allied powers were the US, UK and Russia. So why is it that Italy is still the only Main Power in WWII that is missing from the tech tree?


 

Why is it that Italy, One of the Main powers in WWII and supplied directly by Germany (Known for its tanks) is still missing from the tech tree?


 

This is made even stranger when there are "minor" and even conquered powers like Czechoslovakia and France that now have tech trees. Then there are powers that were well known to have little to any armored force at all like China and Japan.


 

How can one of the Major powers that was directly supplied by one of the greatest known tank building nations in the war not have its own tech tree?


 

I know this has been brought up before but I'm pretty sure that Italy had better tanks then China and Japan. China and Japan had so few tanks to even speak of that most of their tech trees are from other nations or were never more then plans.


 

WG PLEASE bring in a Italian tank line.


 

Because they had 7-8 mostly light tanks during WWII and used Allied equipment after the war.  There is literally no reason to have an Italian tank tree when you could cover everything they had with a few bad premium tanks.  



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I'd rather have a line that stopped at 6 than not have a line at all. There's probably enough tank destroyers for a second stub line, tooThey can always add to it if something interesting shows up later. 






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