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Poll: Are we witnessing the end of WoT (75 members have cast votes)

Do you feel now, more than you have in the past that WoT is nearing its end?

  1. Yes (34 votes [45.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.33%

  2. No (36 votes [48.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.00%

  3. I don't understand that internet polls aren't scientific and a third option is completely meaningless, as is this poll. (5 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

What thing or things do you believe responsible?

  1. MM (25 votes [12.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.89%

  2. Vehicle / Tier balance (21 votes [10.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.82%

  3. Artillery (21 votes [10.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.82%

  4. Corridor Meta / Map Design (22 votes [11.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.34%

  5. Clan Wars (4 votes [2.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.06%

  6. RNG (19 votes [9.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.79%

  7. Wargaming policies - I.E. reaction to rigging, etc. (20 votes [10.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.31%

  8. Grind is too long (12 votes [6.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.19%

  9. Gold Spam / Armor Issues (19 votes [9.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.79%

  10. Other (17 votes [8.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.76%

  11. WoT isn't dying (14 votes [7.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.22%

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heavymetal1967 #21 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 02:34

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View Postchzwhz, on Jun 18 2016 - 20:31, said:

 

I was wondering when you would show up...

:popcorn:

 

Well that title was like waving a bottle of Old Irish Rose in front of Otis Campbell.  You know I was gonna crack the seal and partake. :P

krazydude4 #22 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 02:34

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er... wheres the bacon option?

24_inch_pythons #23 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 02:39

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View Postkrazydude4, on Jun 18 2016 - 19:34, said:

er... wheres the bacon option?

 

Bacon is not an "option", Bacon is Life!

krazydude4 #24 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 02:40

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View Postchzwhz, on Jun 18 2016 - 17:39, said:

 

Bacon is not an "option", Bacon is Life!

 

so then why isn't it on the poll? :hiding:

24_inch_pythons #25 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 02:40

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View Postheavymetal1967, on Jun 18 2016 - 19:34, said:

 

Well that title was like waving a bottle of Old Irish Rose in front of Otis Campbell.  You know I was gonna crack the seal and partake. :P

 

:teethhappy:

heavymetal1967 #26 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 02:53

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View PostNiteDog, on Jun 18 2016 - 20:33, said:

No Music to this one Heavy.

 

I beg to differ...  :B

 

 

But so I have some semblance of on topic. 

 

OP I don't think the game is dying nor on the vestiges of its last breath.  But I do think it's in the worst shape (from a business sense) since I've been here.  But I could be wrong big time.  I say this because they seem to be more concerned with changing things more now  than since I've been here as well.  Which tbh is good provided they don't fix stuff that ain't broken while ignoring the squeaky wheels that actually need oiled.  Personally I hope they don't.  And I don't think they will.

 

Now that that's out of the way.  Back to Nitedog's "no music" tsunami.   ;)

 

Right before...

 

 

Impact...

 

 

Cause and effect...

 

 

:B:bajan:;)



KanataKonoe #27 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 02:59

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I doubt the game will die.... this game can never have as low of players as WOWP. Gosh that game sucks. imo.

rokinamerica #28 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 03:17

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View Postheavymetal1967, on Jun 18 2016 - 17:34, said:

 

Well that title was like waving a bottle of Old Irish Rose in front of Otis Campbell.  You know I was gonna crack the seal and partake. :P

Just waiting for Barney Fife to show up with his one bullet to arrest you.



heavymetal1967 #29 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 03:37

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View Postrokinamerica, on Jun 18 2016 - 21:17, said:

Just waiting for Barney Fife to show up with his one bullet to arrest you.

 

I got a song for that too. :teethhappy:

 



rokinamerica #30 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 03:50

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Spitting my drink on the laptop is NOT funny HM. OK, yeah it is.

riff_ #31 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 22:09

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View PostNiteDog, on Jun 18 2016 - 20:33, said:

No Music to this one Heavy.

 

I am offended with this post.  I did not wipeout a whole city, just a few senior citizens doing water aerobics.   And their time was up too.

:angry:


 



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View Postrokinamerica, on Jun 18 2016 - 21:17, said:

Just waiting for Barney Fife to show up with his one bullet to arrest you.

 

You don't need Barney for that you can just make a...

Hooray!


Edited by riff_, Jun 19 2016 - 22:14.


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View Postriff_, on Jun 19 2016 - 13:09, said:

 

I am offended with this post.  I did not wipeout a whole city, just a few senior citizens doing water aerobics.   And their time was up too.

:angry:


 

 

LOL!

SFC_Storm #34 Posted Jun 20 2016 - 08:27

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To me there Ru bias is showing so hard its sickening with sand box.

 

I undertsand things can change etc, but why in the world would you nerf almost all tanks except RU heavies?

 

Not only is the IS3 and its ilk getting huge passive nerfs by making all other tanks lose alpha, and lose 30% AP pen+Huge HEAT nerfs and view range so now all tanks are blind, but the IS3 doesnt lose anything really.

 

It still will be the fastest, i will have huge 390 alpha which is now the same as 120mm T9 and up guns like E5 and LOL E3? But it didnt lose but 10m view range while some lost 50m+. It keeps its DPM while the Caern la already weak tank gets 180 alpha and no ROF change...LOL As well as general Pen stats going to hell. Kt lost huge Alpha and DPM and Viewrange, and sniping with the AP losing 5x more pen than it did before at 500m is just funny.

 

The IS7 now has night and day better armor than E5 and where E5 had DPM+Gun handling to make up for its much weaker lower plate and side armor you can sneeze at, it now has almost the same low DPM, 390 Alpha and terrible gun handling. Lol on top its Pen is nerfed to hell as the IS7`s ISNT TOUCHED AND IS APCR. 303 Pen vs 280mm APCR VS HEAT anyone? Terrible. It also lost its view range and isnt aglie at all.

 

So there angled frontal is best vs AP, and there sides with huge spaces and angled and double skirts are cleary best now. They have much more speed than any other heavy group and there godly turrets cannot be overmatched because heavy accuracy went to [edited].

 

Basically all tanks were made into a Rus like game mode, of close range brawling, where finesse is dead. But they didnt receive massive armor buffs, or speed or anything. All the tanks were nerfed and then told there weakneses would be even more obvious because there flanker/sniper/oppurtunist tank was now blind, slow, inaccurate and slow loading.

 

Add to this the funnel maps with lanes that have been the norm and you have RU tanks as only options, with a few outliers.

 

And yes its a test BLAH BLAH BLAH, but it reflects the general sense that its ok that these tanks are not touched while all others are brought to there level and there style of play....

 

Seriously pls tell me in a Caern with 1600 DPM and all but the frontal upper plate basically autopen to a IS3 can win in any fight, when one has 350-390 alpha and the other has 180? The one with better armor and speed also has more alpha and DPM...So? Snipe? Sniping would make a already tough 226 pen at 100 meters now dropping they said 30% pen impossible at 300+.

 

How about a E5 meeting an IS7. E5 isnt nimble enough with terribad terrain resists and 24 degrees hull movement to avoid anymore like before. He doesnt have Heat to make sure lower pen of 230mm gets penned, and when he bounces now he cant make it up in DPM. Also if he exposes side IS7 will eat half his shots, where E5 will be penned at his 76mm everytime and ammoracked. Ans what he gonna fdo run away at 35 KPH vs the IS7`s buffed 60?

 

How about Soviet meds still having 40 hull traverse while others have 30, keeping there APCR pen at 255, losing 20 alpha vs nato`s 40 alpha all while getting 30% aimtime and gun handling buffs while the soft as butter AMX30 has less DPM, and now x2 worse gun handling? Camo right? Nope they still have it better and view range means nothing anymore not to mention its almost the same.

Well surely the 30b will use its 65 kph speed to avoid them right....Wrong its nerfed to 45...Yes its that slow.

 

Hover/Lasertanks strike again. They are the only meds hulldown who can laugh at heavies shells, and now they do everything else as well. They will be even more OP as before.

 

If this happens im out for good. I lived through this Rus bias crap before in Beta, and it took 4 years to finally balance out. T54 was so OP WG RU had ti make a thread on how to kill it. It was fighting T8 US T23`s with Hellcat 160mm Pen guns with its 120mm@60 unrealistic armor and it was just as fast. Imagine a T20 now vs a T54 and that was 1 tier apart. And there wasnt gold rounds so 160mm was all you had to work with. US soft tanks rely on APCR to fight hard Rus tanks, and its going back to world of armor which is fine, but dont make the US give up its viewrange, and DPM and speed/mobility. Otherwise there is no point.

 

 
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View PostSFC_Storm, on Jun 20 2016 - 01:27, said:

To me there Ru bias is showing so hard its sickening with sand box.

 

I undertsand things can change etc, but why in the world would you nerf almost all tanks except RU heavies?

 

Not only is the IS3 and its ilk getting huge passive nerfs by making all other tanks lose alpha, and lose 30% AP pen+Huge HEAT nerfs and view range so now all tanks are blind, but the IS3 doesnt lose anything really.

 

It still will be the fastest, i will have huge 390 alpha which is now the same as 120mm T9 and up guns like E5 and LOL E3? But it didnt lose but 10m view range while some lost 50m+. It keeps its DPM while the Caern la already weak tank gets 180 alpha and no ROF change...LOL As well as general Pen stats going to hell. Kt lost huge Alpha and DPM and Viewrange, and sniping with the AP losing 5x more pen than it did before at 500m is just funny.

 

The IS7 now has night and day better armor than E5 and where E5 had DPM+Gun handling to make up for its much weaker lower plate and side armor you can sneeze at, it now has almost the same low DPM, 390 Alpha and terrible gun handling. Lol on top its Pen is nerfed to hell as the IS7`s ISNT TOUCHED AND IS APCR. 303 Pen vs 280mm APCR VS HEAT anyone? Terrible. It also lost its view range and isnt aglie at all.

 

So there angled frontal is best vs AP, and there sides with huge spaces and angled and double skirts are cleary best now. They have much more speed than any other heavy group and there godly turrets cannot be overmatched because heavy accuracy went to [edited].

 

Basically all tanks were made into a Rus like game mode, of close range brawling, where finesse is dead. But they didnt receive massive armor buffs, or speed or anything. All the tanks were nerfed and then told there weakneses would be even more obvious because there flanker/sniper/oppurtunist tank was now blind, slow, inaccurate and slow loading.

 

Add to this the funnel maps with lanes that have been the norm and you have RU tanks as only options, with a few outliers.

 

And yes its a test BLAH BLAH BLAH, but it reflects the general sense that its ok that these tanks are not touched while all others are brought to there level and there style of play....

 

Seriously pls tell me in a Caern with 1600 DPM and all but the frontal upper plate basically autopen to a IS3 can win in any fight, when one has 350-390 alpha and the other has 180? The one with better armor and speed also has more alpha and DPM...So? Snipe? Sniping would make a already tough 226 pen at 100 meters now dropping they said 30% pen impossible at 300+.

 

How about a E5 meeting an IS7. E5 isnt nimble enough with terribad terrain resists and 24 degrees hull movement to avoid anymore like before. He doesnt have Heat to make sure lower pen of 230mm gets penned, and when he bounces now he cant make it up in DPM. Also if he exposes side IS7 will eat half his shots, where E5 will be penned at his 76mm everytime and ammoracked. Ans what he gonna fdo run away at 35 KPH vs the IS7`s buffed 60?

 

How about Soviet meds still having 40 hull traverse while others have 30, keeping there APCR pen at 255, losing 20 alpha vs nato`s 40 alpha all while getting 30% aimtime and gun handling buffs while the soft as butter AMX30 has less DPM, and now x2 worse gun handling? Camo right? Nope they still have it better and view range means nothing anymore not to mention its almost the same.

Well surely the 30b will use its 65 kph speed to avoid them right....Wrong its nerfed to 45...Yes its that slow.

 

Hover/Lasertanks strike again. They are the only meds hulldown who can laugh at heavies shells, and now they do everything else as well. They will be even more OP as before.

 

If this happens im out for good. I lived through this Rus bias crap before in Beta, and it took 4 years to finally balance out. T54 was so OP WG RU had ti make a thread on how to kill it. It was fighting T8 US T23`s with Hellcat 160mm Pen guns with its 120mm@60 unrealistic armor and it was just as fast. Imagine a T20 now vs a T54 and that was 1 tier apart. And there wasnt gold rounds so 160mm was all you had to work with. US soft tanks rely on APCR to fight hard Rus tanks, and its going back to world of armor which is fine, but dont make the US give up its viewrange, and DPM and speed/mobility. Otherwise there is no point.

 

 
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"If this happens I'm out for good"

I think you better be ready to find another game, friend. I'll probably be right there with you...

Sure, I'll give it a bit of a try once any changes are made (I've got too much time and money invested to just straight walk away) but if they really do double down on the corridor meta, everybody brawls at 50 meters or less, then no. I really don't think I could play that for very long. Like you said, test, blah, blah, blah... It really, really looks like that's where they are going with this. What a shame.

 



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Been through it before and we're headed in that way but it will take two or three years maybe more unless WG continues the mess that is "Balance 2.0". I agree that the end game content is wreck and there is no big incentive to keep people playing. No worthwhile missions, cw 2.0 is cancer, tournaments are wrecked, no gold comp for missions, and the population getting dumber. 

 

Be ready for the "Mauszilla" meta :hiding:






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