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Wirbelfeld #21 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 15:45

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View PostPompous_Magnus, on Jun 19 2016 - 14:43, said:

 

oh no there are best tier 10's the ones that preform in their roles the best thats why i put multiple tanks in some categories. i never said some tanks arent used or useful i said they arent the BEST, what is so hard to understand. 

 

you put batchat as best med; I see other meds being used other than batchat, therefore batchat is not only best med

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View PostCheekiBreeki_, on Jun 19 2016 - 09:44, said:

 

You're just being stubborn LOL. People have different playstyles. I personally think the TVP is the best medium and bat is somewhere in the middle but not as good as russian mediums

 

What i know that, their play styles are irrelevant. In general some tanks are better than others for reasons. This is why when you watch CL replays you see the same tanks over and over 

215b, E5, bat chat, t62/140, 113, 50b, Wt e-100 (RIP) This isnt a "oh well you like slow tanks." This is the BEST all around, or the best in most situations 



Wirbelfeld #23 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 15:48

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View PostCheekiBreeki_, on Jun 19 2016 - 14:44, said:

 

You're just being stubborn LOL. People have different playstyles. I personally think the TVP is the best medium and bat is somewhere in the middle but not as good as russian mediums

 

Lol TVP is definitely not as good as the bat in almost any situation other than raw dpm in which why would you bring a tvp? Need clip potential? Bring a batchat. Scout? Flanking? Low profile and ability to relocate? All things the batchat does better. 

And how is the batchat worse than russian meds? Those are two compeltely different tanks that you absolutely cannot compare. 



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View PostWirbelfeld, on Jun 19 2016 - 08:48, said:

 

Lol TVP is definitely not as good as the bat in almost any situation other than raw dpm in which why would you bring a tvp? Need clip potential? Bring a batchat. Scout? Flanking? Low profile and ability to relocate? All things the batchat does better. 

And how is the batchat worse than russian meds? Those are two compeltely different tanks that you absolutely cannot compare. 

 

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I can easily kill a Batchat with the Tiger 2, they deal serious damage, but at least I can kill them. I CANNOT easily kill a T62A or a Obj. 140 with a Tiger 2, I would be using gold if I were to aim at either.

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View PostCrazedGrenadeGuy, on Jun 19 2016 - 09:59, said:

I can easily kill a Batchat with the Tiger 2, they deal serious damage, but at least I can kill them. I CANNOT easily kill a T62A or a Obj. 140 with a Tiger 2, I would be using gold if I were to aim at either.

 

You know what you are right, sorry for derailing your thread. You just need to be more patient with your tiger supporting top tier tanks when bottom tier and using the tiger better gun at longer ranges and try not to fight the is-3/5/a in close quarters combat.

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Your old one was so much more unsettling.. It was so allahu akbar.



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View PostPompous_Magnus, on Jun 19 2016 - 16:01, said:

 

You know what you are right, sorry for derailing your thread. You just need to be more patient with your tiger supporting top tier tanks when bottom tier and using the tiger better gun at longer ranges and try not to fight the is-3/5/a in close quarters combat.

 

Thanks for understanding, and I won't be playing my Tiger 2 very much until I feel ready. (3k-4k battles)

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View PostPompous_Magnus, on Jun 19 2016 - 09:14, said:

Best tier 10 med

Bat Chat, t62a                                                                      

Best tier 10 heavy

E5/215b/113/50B

Best tier 10 Td

Grille

Best tier 10 arty 

M53/55

Best tier 8 light

Ru 

 

hmmmm no Russian bais here. You want bais

Warthunder: Best tanks

T-54/Is-2 (late)/ Kv-2 russian 

It-1 russian

T-10M russian

Su-122-54 russian 

Zsu-30 russian

Leo 1 German

 

Be lucky you play this game friendo 

 

 

you think the Bat is better than the TVP?

I'm assuming you're talking about best tanks in pubs here.


Edited by Gang_Starr, Jun 19 2016 - 16:13.


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View PostGang_Starr, on Jun 19 2016 - 10:09, said:

 

you think the Bat is better than the TVP?

I'm assuming you're talking about best tanks in pubs here.

 

I dont think i know.

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View PostCrazedGrenadeGuy, on Jun 19 2016 - 10:04, said:

 

Thanks for understanding, and I won't be playing my Tiger 2 very much until I feel ready. (3k-4k battles)

 

You dont need to wait that long, this game does not have a limit on when you can get up the tiers. Just learn to play this game is not that hard. 

Gang_Starr #32 Posted Jun 19 2016 - 16:29

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View PostPompous_Magnus, on Jun 19 2016 - 10:15, said:

 

I dont think i know.

 

hmm I find that really strange, I feel like the 3 second reload between shots on the Bat is pretty bad, and the overall clip reload is long. not to mention the accuracy and aimtime stats on the bat are far inferior to the TVP.

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View PostGang_Starr, on Jun 19 2016 - 10:29, said:

 

hmm I find that really strange, I feel like the 3 second reload between shots on the Bat is pretty bad, and the overall clip reload is long. not to mention the accuracy and aimtime stats on the bat are far inferior to the TVP.

 

well thats because you are most likely playing it wrong. Also the tvp would be nice if you could pen all your shots which you most often cant. Bat chat is more consistent and is just a better tank for pubbing and for CW/CL/WGLNA.

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View PostPompous_Magnus, on Jun 19 2016 - 09:25, said:

1. No one cares about tier 9

2. No one cares about tier 8 or tier 8 cw

3. Bat is the best, 140 is trash/ T62a master race

4. I dont know what game you play but the Is-7 is not used to the extent of E5 or 215b no "category" 50b is a heavy and belongs as such.

5. I am talking about consistency which is the only good metric, and the grille does preform well constantly (in good players hands.) t-54 lwt is not that good, there is a reason we use the ru for gold league.

 

 

My god... THANK YOU! i have been telling everyone that the 140 is trash. i have lost a couple tournies because  that crap box gets ammo racked. they blame RNG but, i tell them to stop using it and get a T-62a.

 

Also WZ-132 master race. (RU is really really good tho.)



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View PostPompous_Magnus, on Jun 19 2016 - 06:14, said:

Best tier 10 arty 

M53/55

 

 

reminder: the M53/55 is a t9 arty ;)



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I never had trouble with my Tiger 2.  The gun is great and some people prefer it on the E75 for the DPM and reload.  It's more than capable of fighting TXs, but you have to position it right and aim.  Of course it will struggle against TX armor since it's a full two tiers lower.  That's the case with a lot of tanks.

 

I agree with all those saying it's more of a playstyle thing than a bad tank thing.

 

Side note on some of the so-called bias: map types and range has lot more to do with bias than a lot of other factors.  Sniper-esque tanks don't do as well in urban environments.  The view range caps and 1000m maps aren't what Tigers were designed for.  An then there's the small fact that the Tiger 2 is a 1940s tank going up against 50s and 60s tanks.  Armor sloping and all that didn't matter so much when the biggest guns firing at it still struggled to penetrate the frontal armor.



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View PostShadoW0lf, on Jun 19 2016 - 11:51, said:

 

reminder: the M53/55 is a t9 arty ;)

 

You missed the joke.

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The Soviet Bias isnt just in terms of vehicle performance, but how the game is programmed.

 

A major point is how effective sloping armor is. Sloping armor should give a 30-60% deflecting bonus to armor values depending on angle. What you see ingame: 2-3 times the armor value and makes it possible to bounce shots several times high than the armor value.

 

Penetration on soviet guns is also questionable programmed. Juts looking up some historical Information i can see that the 122mm artillery gun used on everything from the Kv-85(122) to the Is-6 wasnt 175mm penetration, but 145mm.

 

Accuracy and aim time are also a large problem in high tier soviet tanks end up with high values despite historically known lower grade sighting and stabilization equipment.

 

On some of the high tier soviet medium tanks the armor value is much higher than real life. Those turret armor should be about 100mm, when ingame they reach almost 250mm. You dont see NATO tanks like the Leopard 2 with anywhere near that much armor ingame.

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really, by the time you reach tier 10 Soviet Mediums are just ridiculous. Their only flaw at that point if gun depression, otherwise they match everything a NATO tank can do, but are smaller and much more armored.



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View Post_Tsavo_, on Jun 20 2016 - 04:52, said:

All this Russian Bias talk, but the Russians lack a crucial bit for flexible play: gun depression.

 

Gun depression is an all-or-nothing stat. Its amazingly important sometimes and useless on others. Generally speaking any vehicle will be able to snipe you without worrying about gun depression, and as soviet mediums end up incredibly agile they can easily run around you on flat terrain. Gun depression is far worse on heavy tanks however as they can easily be trapped in painful situations being tracked and unable to target anything, meaning any kind of hills can be more trouble than it is worth.

 

statistically soviet tanks end up awesome. Terrain wise they suffer, but Dragon Ridge doesnt exist anymore. Having less than 10degress gun depression was awful there, hence it was removed to make soviet tanks more effective.



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View PostPompous_Magnus, on Jun 19 2016 - 08:43, said:

 

oh no there are best tier 10's the ones that preform in their roles the best thats why i put multiple tanks in some categories. i never said some tanks arent used or useful i said they arent the BEST, what is so hard to understand. 

 

I see you are one of the few people whos game name fits them in real life.




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