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[IceFLYER]

ElfMagi2, on Jul 02 2016 - 20:24, said:

Just read the fine print and not allowed to name team here. 

I hope the guy does not still get 1st place even if I win the dispute. He is 6 points ahead of me and I am in 2nd (which I should be 1st)

 

actually there were 3 cheaters in our grouping today (the 1st, 5th, and 10th place teams)

[black640]

LostMyMarbles, on Jun 27 2016 - 10:53, said:

and for those who dont want to read the rules in english

 

here they are in both spanish

Información del Torneo tamaño del equipo: 1

Mapa: Mittengard

Max niveles permitidos: 7

sólo se admiten las medias

 

and in Portuguese

tamanho Torneio Informação da Seleção: 1

Mapa: Mittengard

Max nível permitido: 7

apenas collants permitidos

 

and to those who bring other classes ... you make the admins do more work than is needed by all the disputes filed

" i for see lots of Disputes" once again
 

 

 

 

​Then maybe they should learn English? Just a thought.

[CheekiBreeki_]

@Dance210, if multiple teams have the same amount of points how are the rewards decided?

[GHR1227]

CheekiBreeki_, on Jul 02 2016 - 15:40, said:

@Dance210, if multiple teams have the same amount of points how are the rewards decided?

 

The rules as far as I have seen are the ranking is by which team won over the other.  But don't quote me on this...

[GHR1227]

IceFLYER, on Jul 02 2016 - 15:31, said:

 

actually there were 3 cheaters in our grouping today (the 1st, 5th, and 10th place teams)

 

I redacted my quote above.  Hopefully the WG staff didn't see it.

[farcticox]

Wow, much violations, I met a E 25

[zZeroZz]

dance210, on Jun 27 2016 - 15:43, said:

It's time for the Light Throwdown! This weekend, grab your favorite tier VII Light tank and head to the battlefield! Players will face off in an epic 1v1 clash on Mittengard for gold and glory!!

 

• Tournament page
• Registration

 

Joining a tournament and earning a prize is easier than ever! In the Light Throwdown, single-player teams are split into groups, with each group having no more than 10 teams. Facing all other teams in their group, the best tier VII light tank commander will earn the 1st place prize - a cool 500 gold! If you're not at the top of the pack, don't worry, players will earn gold all the way to 7th place!

 

Stop by, sign up and join the competition!

 

Tournament Information

• Team size: 1
• Map: Mittengard
• Max tier allowed: 7
• ONLY lights allowed

 

Looking for even more of a challenge? Check out our the Stand-To tournaments on Tuesday and Thursday featuring tier IV tanks - you can sign up as a complete team or sign up individually! If you sign up as a solo player you will be assigned to a team. Our eSports calendar also has all our upcoming tournaments - take a look and find the right fit for you!

 

 

Run into a player that brought something other than a light tank? Send in a dispute immediately after the tournament ends and we will adjust the scores. Please not, you must include all of the requested information when you submit your dispute!

 

Dispute Process

Spoiler

Disputes must adhere to the protocol detailed below or risk having the dispute dropped by tournament administration.

• Teams have 24 hr after the tournament has concluded to submit disputes.
• Disputes must be emailed to tournaments@wargamingamerica.com
• The email subject: Light 1v1 Throwdown Dispute

 

Disputes must include the following in the body of the email or risk having the dispute dropped by tournament administration:

• In-game name of the player submitting the dispute
• Name of the tournament (Light 1v1 Throwdown)
• Your team’s name with a link to your team’s page created for you during registration
• Your opponent’s team name and a link to your opponent’s team page created during registration
• Reason for dispute: e.g. “I would like to report the team for using a tank that was not allowed, the StuG III.”
• An attached replay of the disputed battle(s)

 

Additional notes:

• One valid dispute during a group stage reverses all scores from the offending team for that round.
• Publicizing disputes prior to resolution is subject to penalties at tournament admin's discretion, not limited to:
  • Disregarding the dispute
  • Immediate team disqualification
  • Removal of offending player from the event

 

Prizes

• A player will only receive a prize if they won at least one battle during the tournament.
• Prizes are awarded to players as quickly as possible.
• It can take up to 7 days after the tournament has concluded before players are credited with their prize.
• If it has been more than seven days OR if there is a problem with the prize, please contact tournaments@wargamingamerica.com.

IT SAYS ONLY LIGHT TANKS. BUT I FOUGHT AGAINST HEAVY TANKS "O-NI" AND THE HEAVY "IS" I NO HAVE THE REPLAY AGAINST THE O-NI BUT I HAVE THE REPLAY AGAINST THE "IS". I LOST PROBABLY GOLD THERE AND I LOST 6 POINTS AND THEY TOOK THE THIRD AND FOURTH PLACE AND I GOT THE FIFTH. I WILL GET A REWARD???

[dance210]

CheekiBreeki_, on Jul 02 2016 - 14:40, said:

@Dance210, if multiple teams have the same amount of points how are the rewards decided?

Based on head-to-head results.

 

Team A and Team B are tied for points for 2nd place. Team B defeated Team A when they faced each other. Therefore, Team B came in 2nd place and Team A came in 3rd.

 

JakeBlack21, on Jul 02 2016 - 22:52, said:

IT SAYS ONLY LIGHT TANKS. BUT I FOUGHT AGAINST HEAVY TANKS "O-NI" AND THE HEAVY "IS" I NO HAVE THE REPLAY AGAINST THE O-NI BUT I HAVE THE REPLAY AGAINST THE "IS". I LOST PROBABLY GOLD THERE AND I LOST 6 POINTS AND THEY TOOK THE THIRD AND FOURTH PLACE AND I GOT THE FIFTH. I WILL GET A REWARD???

 

Hi. First, take a deep breathe. We have dispute rules for when a team brings an illegal tank.

 

If you happened to miss them in the OP, here they are again:

 

isputes must adhere to the protocol detailed below or risk having the dispute dropped by tournament administration.

• Teams have 24 hr after the tournament has concluded to submit disputes.
• Disputes must be emailed to tournaments@wargamingamerica.com
• The email subject: Light 1v1 Throwdown Dispute

 

Disputes must include the following in the body of the email or risk having the dispute dropped by tournament administration:

• In-game name of the player submitting the dispute
• Name of the tournament (Light 1v1 Throwdown)
• Your team’s name with a link to your team’s page created for you during registration
• Your opponent’s team name and a link to your opponent’s team page created during registration
• Reason for dispute: e.g. “I would like to report the team for using a tank that was not allowed, the StuG III.”
• An attached replay of the disputed battle(s)

 

Additional notes:

• One valid dispute during a group stage reverses all scores from the offending team for that round.
• Publicizing disputes prior to resolution is subject to penalties at tournament admin's discretion, not limited to:
  • Disregarding the dispute
  • Immediate team disqualification
  • Removal of offending player from the event

 

Please be sure to follow these rules when you submit a dispute. Unfortunately, if you don't have a replay or screenshot, I cannot process the dispute for the O-Ni. Hopefully someone else in your group reported that player.

[farcticox]

Your gonna be busy

[zZeroZz]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION. I SENT AN EMAIL TO THEM.

[RetroMan55]

Kind of pointless to file disputes when so little is done to punish blatant offenders.  Until WG starts bringing down the hammer on these cheaters they will continue to cheat.  The odds are in their favor of getting the gold, and getting away with this.  After 3 DQ's they should be banned from even entering tournaments for a certain period.

[dance210]

RetroMan55, on Jul 06 2016 - 06:49, said:

Kind of pointless to file disputes when so little is done to punish blatant offenders.  Until WG starts bringing down the hammer on these cheaters they will continue to cheat.  The odds are in their favor of getting the gold, and getting away with this.  After 3 DQ's they should be banned from even entering tournaments for a certain period.

 

Any team that brings an illegal tank is DQ'd / loses all matches during the tournament. Teams must win at least one match in order to win gold. So as long as players report those who bring an illegal line-up, they won't earn any gold.

[Vampiresbane]

dance  (or a coworker of hers) took care of a dispute I submitted.  It didn't end up affecting my standing within my group, but it did help everyone else out since the offending player was 2nd.  He was 7-2 before and ended up 0-9 I believe after the dispute was processed.  The tournament was a blast and I just hope that players don't keep on cheating like this--it's just not necessary and may ruin the chances we'll keep on seeing class specific 1v1 tourneys (which I love).

dance and co. did really well running the tournament, handing out the prizes, and managing disputes if you ask me.

[GaussDeath]

Wow, just noticed that WGNA has reduced the gold payouts for the 1v1. 

 

Used to be: 
500, 400, 300, 200, 150, 100, 50

Now: 
500, 400, 250, 150, 100, 75, 50

Have to wonder why, if the whole tournament revamp isn't due to 'too much gold payouts', that the payouts changed.

[Hoarce]

GaussDeath, on Jul 06 2016 - 20:04, said:

Wow, just noticed that WGNA has reduced the gold payouts for the 1v1.

 

Used to be: 
500, 400, 300, 200, 150, 100, 50

Now: 
500, 400, 250, 150, 100, 75, 50

Have to wonder why, if the whole tournament revamp isn't due to 'too much gold payouts', that the payouts changed.

 

Yeah that's pretty much exactly why wg can't stand it when people put in the work to earn a decent payout so they "revamp stuff" so that they can reduce payouts.

 

[dance210]

GaussDeath, on Jul 06 2016 - 12:04, said:

Wow, just noticed that WGNA has reduced the gold payouts for the 1v1. 

 

Used to be: 
500, 400, 300, 200, 150, 100, 50

Now: 
500, 400, 250, 150, 100, 75, 50

Have to wonder why, if the whole tournament revamp isn't due to 'too much gold payouts', that the payouts changed.

 

The mid-positions were adjusted slightly for a few reasons, including trying to make earning 1st or 2nd place worth "more" since teams put in greater effort to win those. You'll also notice that we added a restriction that a team must win at least one battle to earn a prize - between the lower prizes and that restriction, it's a test to try and prevent teams from no-showing and hoping to earn free gold.

 

Gold being adjusted has zero to do with the new tournament schedule. Even if the tournaments were running on the same schedule, I still would have adjusted the gold / rules for this tournament.

[RetroMan55]

dance210, on Jul 06 2016 - 10:24, said:

 

Any team that brings an illegal tank is DQ'd / loses all matches during the tournament. Teams must win at least one match in order to win gold. So as long as players report those who bring an illegal line-up, they won't earn any gold.

 

That was not my team's experience in Skirmish 13.  Not only was the team using illegal Chaffee's NOT DQ'd, they used the illegal tanks ALL week and pushed my team out of the prize group by 1 place.  Check it for yourself.  You can get the name in the PM I sent you.  I had heard from other Captains as many as 21 teams used illegal tanks and more than a few wound up in the prize groups.  Until you bring the hammer down on them, it will continue.  Players joke about it in battle chat and even brag about it in forum posts.

[GaussDeath]

@RetroMan55, the rules for disputing illegal tanks for the 1v1 changed recently. They went from the standard "3 disputes and you are out" (what you faced in the Skirmish) to "1 dispute and you are out". 

 

Additionally, people have to actually dispute people who are using illegal tanks. If they don't file proper disputes then the people bringing illegal tanks aren't dealt with. 

[RetroMan55]

GaussDeath, on Jul 07 2016 - 12:15, said:

@RetroMan55, the rules for disputing illegal tanks for the 1v1 changed recently. They went from the standard "3 disputes and you are out" (what you faced in the Skirmish) to "1 dispute and you are out". 

 

Additionally, people have to actually dispute people who are using illegal tanks. If they don't file proper disputes then the people bringing illegal tanks aren't dealt with. 

 

I have danced with dance210 many times on this particular instance, and the overall problem.  In the Skirmish I mentioned I personally know of 3 team captains that reported this particular team.  I have never seen a more blatant use of illegal tanks in any of the many events I have participated in.  I'm sure there were many others who also reported this team for using 4 illegal Chaffees ALL week in every battle.  They were NOT DQ'd.  In fact they received 500 gold and 5 days of Premium and pushed my team out of the prize group by 1 place.

 

For me, and many of the captains I know, it is just plain lazy to not at least check what this team did in that and other battles with the raising of a single red flag on a specific team - let alone from three captains spread over three days.  But none of the many reported teams were DQ'd.  I know this because my team was on the line for 500 gold and 5 days of Premium Time going into the last day, and we stayed in exactly that same position at the end.  Clearly, no teams were DQ'd.  Due to this, some of our players quit doing tournaments completely and I will not, and have not, lead a team in any other Skirmishes since.

 

If WG has changed this from 3 to 1, good for them.  It's about time.  It doesn't take long for captains to check out the competition, shouldn't take long for WG to ferret out cheaters and lay some kind of ban or punishment on them.  It's not like there are 10,000 teams to check out.  If they can keep track of which tanks we have bought and sold, and how many trees we have knocked down in every game we have ever played, it shouldn't be that hard to weed out a dozen or two cheaters who have been reported by 3 or more captains.

 

I also think the replay requirement should be changed to include a screen-shot going into the battle and another of the after action report.  Takes up far less hard drive space and this allows the game to run better than recording replays of every game "in case"  someone else is cheating.  Plus they are easier to delete later.  Some have said people will photoshop screenshots, that would be stupid and easy enough for WG to check.  If they do, then two cheaters have been caught trying to pull the wool over WG's eyes.

 

Not doing anything, and rewarding this team and others with gold and premium  time doesn't send the right message for the rest of us who adhere to the rules.

 

Now if we can get them to quit putting weaker teams on the "bad side" of maps for all battles of the night - especially against teams that are substantially higher rated (making it a brick wall impossible to overcome), then maybe the participation will go up.

[GaussDeath]

Perhaps the disputes failed due to improper formatting. I don't know. 

 

However, the "1 dispute and you are DQ'd" change appears to only apply to the 1v1. The Weekly 5v5, Summer Play, and Platournaments all still have 3 disputes before you are DQ'd from group play (1 dispute for playoffs). 

 

Regarding replays, I don't see why they would slow the game down (it doesn't for me) and the drive space is negligible. It is pretty easy to send in the replays and, unlike screenshots, do not require you to do anything during the match.