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Klaatu_Nicto #61 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 00:59

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When disaster strikes............

 

 

;)

 

Texas - :great::great:

 

 



Horribad_At_Tanks #62 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 01:14

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View PostKrentel, on Aug 17 2016 - 18:59, said:

 

Texas - :great::great:

 

 

 

Texas is the only state in the union that is pretty much its own nation state. They have fought long and hard to resist the assimilation of states rights, their military and infrastructure into the national bureaucracy and it will pay off if disaster ever truly strikes. 



Klaatu_Nicto #63 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 01:55

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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Aug 17 2016 - 15:26, said:

 

Why wait for nature when man can do the same thing but on a local scale handily leaving the attacking country untouched and no irradiated wastelands and fallout to mess up border countries? This one chart is why it's of the utmost importance to keep rogue nations from building nukes and the missiles to launch them. Not because they will blow up a city but because only ~one~ can literally knock a first world country or entire regions of countries right back to the 18th century. Certainly not the stone age effect a conventional nuke strike would do but bad enough in the long term. Even a retaliatory emp strike would do little to a nation like iran or north korea because a large part of those populations already lives like it's the last century or even further back and no power is already something they deal with on a regular basis.

 

 

Makes you wonder if any of those thousands of satellites orbiting up there from nearly every modern and even not so modern nation on earth has a special package inside just waiting to be used. :bajan:

 

I think nature is going to beat us to it or at the least be the catalyst. We are in the early stages of a grand solar minimum but because of cold temperatures and extreme rain we are already seeing significant crop losses around the world.  Starvation can lead people and government to take extreme actions to survive. 

 

I've posted this before but this time I have it set to being just before the end. That way you don't have to watch the whole thing to see what could be in our future according to a Pentagon report. This documentary was made at least 10 years ago so at the very end, when one of the scientists says we don't know if the Atlantic will continue to warm or go into a cooling phase, we do know now. The Atlantic has begun it's 30 year cooling cycle. Some other comments are made which are also outdated. 

 

 

Hmm.......the report is based on a 9 degree drop in temperature. My last Puget Sound Energy bill showed the average temperature for the 30 day billing period was 61 degrees F compared to 70 degrees F during the same period last year. :ohmy:


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Donward #64 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 02:12

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We've had it pretty good with the post-WW2 and post-Cold War Pax America.

Just like Europe had it good for 100 years during the Pax Brittannia where only one major war was fought on European soil from 1815 to 1914 (not counting squabbles in the Balkans).

Horribad_At_Tanks #65 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 02:20

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View PostKrentel, on Aug 17 2016 - 19:55, said:

~snip~

 

When the un stated that climate change will be the biggest threat to mankind I believed them for all the reasons you state about crop losses and such but not for the reasons they stated in that it would be due to man's influence heating up the planet till we turned into Dune. That entire line of human induced climate change(which is real but ultimately not our true doom bringer) was a smokescreen to enable emergency litigation to force industry across the globe to shut down and relocate for supposed environmental impact reasons when that reasoning is falling apart daily. However if you notice this entire globalization effort of the billionaires and who's who of the world nations to move industry out of the rich nations into the poor you start to realize a good chunk of that industry was relocated to climates that would have little negative change from a mini ice age. So yeah they knew this was coming and lied to us to prepare. In the end it might turn out to be an ultimate blessing for humanity as a whole but of course that will depend on what plan the billionairs and leaders have in store for us when things really go down the drain to figure out what nations will still be around and which will be wastelands after the looting and civil unrest are played out.

 

View PostDonward, on Aug 17 2016 - 20:12, said:

We've had it pretty good with the post-WW2 and post-Cold War Pax America.

Just like Europe had it good for 100 years during the Pax Brittannia where only one major war was fought on European soil from 1815 to 1914 (not counting squabbles in the Balkans).

 

Indeed and if history is any indication(it always is) then our hundred years are about up. Notice that all the un and other major powers plans seem to come to fruition in the 2018~2022 range? The range of time that will be smack in the middle of the grand solar minimum? I'm not much on grand coincidences and where there is smoke there is fire.

 



Klaatu_Nicto #66 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 02:21

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Here are a couple of videos that tie in with the Pentagon Report in the video above. At the beginning of the Little Ice Age in the early 1300's it was not just cold temperatures that caused crop losses. Unpredictable, heavy rain destroy the grain crops and so far this year France as lost 30% of its wheat crop to rain and they are not alone.

 

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China

 



Horribad_At_Tanks #67 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 03:16

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View PostKrentel, on Aug 17 2016 - 20:21, said:

Here are a couple of videos that tie in with the Pentagon Report in the video above. At the beginning of the Little Ice Age in the early 1300's it was not just cold temperatures that caused crop losses. Unpredictable, heavy rain destroy the grain crops and so far this year France as lost 30% of its wheat crop to rain and they are not alone.

 

Indeed. Peace only lasts as long as bellies are full and you are warm and snug. Take that away and even your neighbor will try to kill you for your stuff eventually.

 

Also this recent action doesn't bode very well for future peace in the region.

 

http://www.voanews.c...ng/3469076.html

 

Natural resources are so tight in that part of the world there is no room for poaching and these countries ~need~ these ever dwindling fish to keep the populations fed so expect more of the same until it turns into a shooting war with china and one of these smaller nations.

 

 



Donward #68 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 03:23

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Sure. Battles over resources are a logical excuse for war.

But history has also shown conflicts to start over reasons completely contrary to the economic or political interests of the belligerents. World War 1 again or Iraq invading Kuwait.

I don't have a crystal ball but there's no telling when the next war will strike. And it doesn't have to be for logical reasons.

Horribad_At_Tanks #69 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 03:31

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Of course but it pays to know as many reasons as you can because the difference between riding out a conflict or disaster in relative safety or suffering in abject misery can be down to knowing the signs and acting before everyone else freaks out.

Donward #70 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 03:40

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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Aug 17 2016 - 18:31, said:

Of course but it pays to know as many reasons as you can because the difference between riding out a conflict or disaster in relative safety or suffering in abject misery can be down to knowing the signs and acting before everyone else freaks out.

True.

 

Well, for one's own personal responsibility, of you don't have at least one month's of food, water, medicine, rent, etc on hand, you're not paying attention to the "signs".

 

 

Some folks have more of course...



Klaatu_Nicto #71 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 07:16

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Just when you think weather could not get any more strange Canada gets hit with this.  Another one may hit Europe next week. 

 

No one has ever seen this before. Weather watchers are utterly stunned at this development, which became clear on radar late last night, around 11:00 PM eastern US time.
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1797


A visible satellite image showed the storm's classic mature phase as a cold occlusion, with relatively cool air completely wrapped around the low center

https://weather.com/news/news/hudson-bay-canada-storm-satellite-images-10aug2016


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mattwong #72 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 16:41

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Conversations like this would be so much easier without Krentel trying to pretend he's a climate science expert because of his extensive Googling, and constantly copy-pasting distorted and misleading claims from climate denial websites.

 

The world is getting warmer.  All of the data shows it, when you actually go directly to the proper sources like NASA instead of your favourite climate denial websites.  Krentel, you do not aid in clear discussion when you insist on constantly injecting misinformation into the mix because of your political leanings.  You really should try harder to recognize your own limitations: you are not a scientist, you have little scientific education or training, and at your age, it is not easy for you to successfully learn new things (especially something as tricky as science), even if you are legitimately trying.



Cognitive_Dissonance #73 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 17:18

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Yeah Krentel, comon with all the video's and links. My statements and opinions are backed up by years and year of reading across a multitude of authors. I don't use Youtube, the History Channel, or convienient YouTube docudramas to make my points. You just fill up the post with chaff and ambient noise.

 

As to Horribad at Tanks, I never said I was on the sunshine wagon, or this was Utopia. Here is my reading list, try something other than YouTube docudramas:

 

1.) Guns Germs and Steel - Jared Diamond.

2.) Collapse - Jared Diamond.

3.) Carthage must be destroyed - Richard Miles.

4.) Civilization - Roger Osborne.

5.) The Looming Tower - Lawrence Wright.

6.) Tournament of Shadows (The Great Game) - Karl Meyer, Shareen Blair Brysac.

7.) Moscow 1812 - Adam Zamoyski

8.) Alexander the Great - Library book, forgot author.

9.) The Age of Napolean - Will and Ariel Durant.

10.) Taliban - Ahmed Rashid

11.) Descent into Chaos - Ahmed Rashid.

12.) Rise and Fall of the Third Reich - William Schirer.

13.) Black Flags (Rise of ISIS) - forgot author left book on plane flying back from Rome . . . dammit.

14.) The Shadow of the Sword (History of Islam) - Tom Holland.

15.) The forgotten War - Some Russian guy about Afghanistan War from Russian perspective.

16.) Stalingrad - Antony Bevor.

17.) Battleground Prussia - Prit Buttar.

18.) Ghost Wars - brother has book, forgot author, but one of the best books ever written about CIA involvement in Afghanistan from 79 to 89.

 

Now to be clear, some of these books I have read 2, 3, 4 times. I re-read material constantly because I pick up more information. Many more books I have not listed. My point being, when I speak on a topic, it is backed up by many many authors across a variety of topics. Also, use Foreign Policy Review as a source, along with War is Boring (David Axel - war correspondent.)

 

Ditch the cute internet videos, give me something that has real knowledge behind it. Oh yeah, this list is for you guys to look at and read what you haven't, discuss what you have . . . your welcome.


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Klaatu_Nicto #74 Posted Aug 18 2016 - 18:42

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Matt - Agricultural, business and the U.S. News And World Report websites reporting on crop losses around the world are all "climate denial websites" in your mind? :D:D:D

 

Hungary
The spring frost that hit Hungary this year could lead to a loss of more than half of the countryʼs crops, deputy head of the national fruit-growers council György Csizmadia told Hungarian daily Magyar Hírlap today.
http://bbj.hu/economy/spring-frost-could-waste-half-of-hungarys-crops_115328

 

Italy
We must report that delicate early cherries such as the Bigarreay and Giorgia varieties, which had already produced only limited volumes, did not survive two and a half days of rain. In addition, 7°C temperature drops meant trees experienced a thermal shock that burned many flowers and led to shorter stalks. Over 70% of Bigarreau and around 30% of Giorgia cherries were destroyed.
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/157555/Rain-in-Apulia-damages-early-cherries

 

Ukraine
Fruit-Inform reports that an unexpected cold spell has decimated orchards and berry plantations in the western and some central regions.

On the night of April 25th, air temperature fell to 4-6 degrees below zero, causing serious damage to orchards in Chernivtsi, Khmelnytskyi and Zakarpattia Oblasts with some farms reporting of losses of up to 100% of their stonefruit crops. Berry growers from Cherkasy Oblast also talk of damages and expect losses to reach 30-40% in the region, with plantations under early strawberries said to have suffered the most.
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/157491/Cold-spell-decimates-W.-Ukraines-stonefruits

 

Switzerland
Cold arctic air brought a frosty night last week. Last Thursday the temperatures dropped below zero in many places on the northern site of the Alps. And the frost was cause for concern for farmers.

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/157285/Swiss-fruit-farmers-fear-for-apricot-trees

 

Europe

European rapeseed crop damaged by insects and frost but Germany seen better off
http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2016/05/04/european-rapeseed-crop-damaged-by-insects-and-frost-but-germany-seen-better-off/

 

USA

Vintners across southern Wisconsin and southeastern Minnesota are reeling from a weekend cold snap that ruined huge swaths of their grapes.

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-05-17/cold-snap-damages-wine-grape-crops-in-minnesota-wisconsin

 

Snow in Europe July 2016

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama/...
http://www.weathertoski.co.uk/weather...
http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/...
https://www.j2ski.com/snow_forecast/A...
https://www.j2ski.com/snow_forecast/A...
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/stor...
http://notrickszone.com/2016/07/14/eu...
http://www.wetter.net/wetternews/camp...
http://notrickszone.com/2016/07/14/eu...

 

I could post a lot more but I think everyone now gets the point, or should get it.

 

Edit: Adding my last two electric/gas bills. Pay attention to the average temperature this year compared to last year.

 

 

 

 

My part of the world is not warming.

 

The relative peace we are seeing in the world is going to change and will be made worse because of the false belief that mankind is causing global warming. I feel bad for those people living in countries which are combating human caused global warming by relying more and more on wind and solar energy. Those people will not have the energy needed to stay warm.

 

Edit: Adding a few more reports of what's going on in the real world.

 

New Zealand
Snow damage and no power has forced the closure of Rangitaiki School until next week. Cattle are dying, and calving and milking sheds are collapsing from the weight of the snow.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/snow-and-power-outages-force-school-on-napier-taupo-road-to-close-until-next-week/

 

Australia
Mildura, usually renowned for being one of the warmest parts of Victoria, had its coldest day since 1989, with a maximum of 9.1 degrees, and its coldest June day since 1973.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/winter-truly-hits-melbourne-as-it-shivers-through-coldest-morning-of-the-year-20160625-gprz8s.html

 

Today's top temperature in Melbourne was 10.7 degrees, the coldest day since July 14 last year. If it had stayed below 10 degrees it would have been the coldest day since 1998.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-weather-i-think-we-can-safely-call-it-cold-20160624-gprgjo.html

 

What we are seeing right now during the southern hemisphere's winter is a prelude to the northern hemispheres upcoming winter.

 

How about some giant hail in the summer.

 

Netherlands

Hailstones the size of tennis balls caused millions of euros worth of damage to cars and other property in the south of the country on Thursday evening.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/06/giant-hailstones-damage-cars-break-windows-in-the-south/

 

China
Watch these baseball-sized chunks of hail destroy cars in a Chinese parking lot
http://www.businessinsider.com/hail-destroy-vehicles-chinese-parking-lot-storm-cars-2016-6

 

 


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mattwong #75 Posted Aug 19 2016 - 15:50

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Krentel, you do not disprove my statement about your Google-based "research" by hitting me with a huge list of links.  In fact, you prove my point for me.

 

When it comes to the actual logic underlying your position, that's where you demonstrate your lack of scientific aptitude and training.  Your ability to quote vast amounts of text from websites is not in question.

 

Frankly, after all this time, it is still clear that you do not even understand what the CO2 greenhouse theory is, never mind the proper way to refute it.  You keep posting evidence that you think proves CO2 has no effect on the atmosphere, but which proves nothing of the sort.


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Klaatu_Nicto #76 Posted Aug 19 2016 - 18:42

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 "your Google-based "research"  - Ya, stupid me for doing research on what's really going on around the world versus what people like you would have everyone believe. I've never said C02 has no effect on the atmosphere. What I'm disputing is the claim that C02 is the main force behind the warming trend of the past 200 years and I'm disputing the scary scenarios from the global warmists. 

 

Contrary to your statement last year you are not the only person "intelligent enough on this forum to understand the AGW theory."  How many times does that theories predictions have to fail before you folks admit you were wrong? Those predictions about no ice in the Arctic by now, among other failed predictions, is sure not working out for your crowd. 

 

July 2015 - What was supposed to be a 115-day global warming research voyage into the Arctic by the Canadian ice breaker CCGS Amundsen has been derailed because the ship was rerouted to the Hudson Bay to come to the aid of supply ships stuck in the ice.

According to Johnny Leclair, assistant commissioner for the Coast Guard, conditions in the area are the worst he's seen in 20 years.
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/worst-ice-conditions-20-years-force-ice-breaker-stop-global-warming-study-and-help-ships-stuck-ice

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ccgs-amundsen-re-routed-to-hudson-bay-to-help-with-heavy-ice-1.3162900?cmp=rss

 

July 2016 - A group of adventurers, sailors, pilots and climate scientists that recently started a journey around the North Pole in an effort to show the lack of ice, has been blocked from further travels by ice.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-20/global-warming-expedition-stopped-its-tracks-arctic-sea-ice

 

NOAA, 11 August 2016 - ENSO-neutral conditions were observed during the past month, featuring slightly below average sea surface temperatures (SSTs) close to the equator across the eastern tropical Pacific Ocean (Fig. 1). While the weekly Niño-1+2 and Niño-4 regions were near average, the Niño-3 and Niño-3.4 indices were slightly below average (approaching -0.5oC) during July (Fig. 2).

 

Many models favor La Niña (3-month average Niño-3.4 index less than or equal to -0.5°C) by the beginning of the Northern Hemisphere fall, continuing into winter (Fig. 6). Statistical models predict a slightly later onset time (i.e., mid- to late fall) than dynamical models, and also predict a slightly weaker event. The forecaster consensus favors La Niña onset during the August-October season, and predicts a weak event (Niño-3.4 index between -0.5°C and -1.0°C) if La Niña forms.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.html

 

June 4, 2016 - Earth’s atmosphere is cooling at the fastest rate since satellite records began in 1979. Since February, temperatures have cooled nearly half a degree centigrade – the largest three month drop on record.
http://realclimatescience.com/2016/06/atmospheric-temperatures-plummeting-at-a-record-pace/

 

 

What does the multi-award winning climatologist and team leader since 1992 for NASA's atmospheric global temperature monitoring system have to say? 

 

August 11th, 2016 - Tropics Cool by 5 deg. F in One Week! (In the Stratosphere)
http://www.drroyspencer.com/category/blogarticle/

 

July 1st, 2016 - Second largest 2-month drop in global average satellite temperatures. Largest 2-month drop in tropical average satellite temperatures.
So far my prediction that 2016 will end up being a new record warm year is not shaping up too well.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/07/uah-global-temperature-update-for-june-2016-0-34-deg-c/

 

There is what people like Matt and the mainstream news headlines would have us believe then there is what's actually occurring. Not only has the AGW theory failed what's actually occurring, a grand solar minimum, will lead to world disorder and those who are not prepared will suffer. 

 

Edit: This just popped up on my radar.

 

Aug 19 2016 - First Accumulating Snow Can Happen Just Weeks From Now in Some U.S. Cities

In a few cities, the earliest first snow of record occurred in recent years.  For Chicago and Detroit, the earliest first accumulating snow fell on Oct. 12, 2006. Cleveland's earliest first snow happened a few years earlier on Oct. 2, 2003.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/record-earliest-measurable-snow-united-states

 

In light of the news above let me add this.

 

12 August 2014 - Embarrassing Predictions Haunt the Global-Warming Industry

For well over a decade now, climate alarmists have been claiming that snow would soon become a thing of the past. In March 2000, for example, “senior research scientist” David Viner, working at the time for the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, told the U.K. Independent that within “a few years,” snowfall would become “a very rare and exciting event” in Britain. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he was quoted as claiming in the article, headlined “Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past.”

 

The very next year, snowfall across the United Kingdom increased by more than 50 percent. In 2008, perfectly timed for a “global warming” legislation debate in Parliament, London saw its first October snow since 1934 — or possibly even 1922, according to the U.K. Register. “It is unusual to have snow this early,” a spokesperson for the alarmist U.K. Met office admitted to The Guardian newspaper. By December of 2009, London saw its heaviest levels of snowfall in two decades. In 2010 the coldest U.K. winter since records began a century ago blanketed the islands with snow.

 

In early 2004, the CRU’s Viner and other self-styled “experts” warned that skiing in Scotland would soon become just a memory, thanks to alleged global warming. “Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry,” Viner told The Guardian. Another “expert,” Adam Watson with the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, told the paper that the skiing industry in Scotland had less than two decades left to go. Yet in 2013, too much snow kept many Scottish resorts closed.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/18888-embarrassing-predictions-haunt-the-global-warming-industry


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Cognitive_Dissonance #77 Posted Aug 20 2016 - 12:23

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Too many links Krentel. Can't tell what you really think or what your opinion is, as you never complete a cohesive thought. Just other folk's quotes and links.

 

All I have to say to you is "North Atlantic Conveyor", my brother is a climatologist (amateur). The irony of global warming, is you could get a short term cooling trend in the Northern Hemisphere due to the NAC shutting down.

 

Google that for a bit.


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IMA_RANDOM_BAD_PLAYER_GG #78 Posted Aug 20 2016 - 12:28

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world was way more peaceful before religion became mainstream.

Mudman24 #79 Posted Aug 20 2016 - 18:40

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View PostRenamedUser_1002767474, on Aug 20 2016 - 05:28, said:

world was way more peaceful before religion became mainstream.

Like the Stone Age?



rich73 #80 Posted Aug 20 2016 - 19:15

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View Postmattwong, on Aug 15 2016 - 19:27, said:

I know, it sounds crazy.  But ...

https://medium.com/@...b5ce#.p9htlrjr3

 

Here's the relevant excerpt:

Quote

The immediate reaction to a claim like that is of course, disbelief. The brutal conflict in Syria has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, and displaced millions. We are in the midst of the largest refugee crisis of modern times, and terrorism is also at an all-time high. Every night our screens are saturated with images of hollowed out buildings in Fallujah and Aleppo, masked men flying black flags in the desert, and the faces of the latest innocent victims in Baghdad, Lagos, Paris, Brussels and Orlando.

 

But, as Joshua S. Goldstein and Steven Pinker point out in a recent Boston Globe editorial, our obsession with these stories blind us to a far greater truth. Outside the Middle East, war is effectively disappearing.

 

...

 

The world was a far more dangerous place when you were born. Death tolls from wars in the 1970s and 1980s were 4–5 times higher than they are today. We are, despite reports of religious and political insurgencies, despite high-profile terrorist killings and unrest in various corners of the globe, living in the most peaceful era of our species’ existence. The world is getting less violent; we’re just more aware of the violence that happens, thanks to the mass availability of information.

 

Just some positive news, to counteract the relentless negativity you're hearing from our "news" organizations.

 

PS. I am not posting this to encourage political debate about foreign policy.  I am posting it because a lot of people think the world is plunging into chaos, when it's actually more peaceful than it's ever been.  The sky isn't falling.  The human race is actually improving.  Don't believe the fear.  The future isn't bleak.

 

You ever here the word propaganda before?Well,thats what your hearing.With people like Hillary and Trump running for president,you really think the world is not headed towards chaos?




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