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Lethalhavoc #281 Posted Sep 15 2016 - 20:07

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View Postriff_, on Sep 15 2016 - 19:34, said:

​Thank You.

 

It's actually been very entertaining watching them try to spin this.

Lethalhavoc #282 Posted Sep 15 2016 - 20:12

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Sep 15 2016 - 07:06, said:

 

Please spend 2 hours of your life watching these videos.

Battle of France, before or after NA I forget?

Shermans, before or after the Battle of France, I forget?

Watch all 3 of the videos I posted earlier.

 

 

Watch the first 26 seconds... Surely you can spare that much time?

Yankee #283 Posted Sep 15 2016 - 20:14

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15 pages, a single good post

Bronezhilet #284 Posted Sep 15 2016 - 20:49

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Sep 15 2016 - 20:12, said:

Watch the first 26 seconds... Surely you can spare that much time?

There is no close air support in the first 26 seconds of that video.

 

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close air support

(DOD) Air action by fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft against hostile targets that are in close proximity to friendly forces and that require detailed integration of each air mission with the fire and movement of those forces. Also called CAS. See also air interdiction.
Source: JP 3-0

So as it turns out, you have no idea what close air support actually is.



Lethalhavoc #285 Posted Sep 15 2016 - 20:52

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View PostBronezhilet, on Sep 15 2016 - 20:49, said:

There is no close air support in the first 26 seconds of that video.

 

So as it turns out, you have no idea what close air support actually is.

 

DOD, what does that stand for? I bet that's German for department of defense.

HAHAHAHA flail around more!!! It's too funny!



Donward #286 Posted Sep 15 2016 - 21:02

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View PostBronezhilet, on Sep 15 2016 - 11:01, said:

You think this is a witty retort. It is not.

 

But hey, keep using a single 7.92 mm machine gun to 'strafe' targets, while the Luftwaffe also had gun pods specifically designed for the very purpose of strafing. They also used 7.92mm machine guns. Except they used 6. Per pod. And were mounted on a Ju-87 or Ju-88. Which were classified as dive bomber and fast bomber respectively.

dweyc5.jpg

 

Except those three new photos didn't prove anything that couldn't be proven with the original photo as well. But please do keep thinking that the transient, primary and secondary phases penetration of metal fragments moving at several kilometers per second won't show evidence on the outside of a ~4 cm thick plate.

 

You still haven't shown you know anything about welding, or did you forget that a heat affected zone actually exists? Or did you actually remember that, but you just forgot how metallurgy works?

I'm just kidding man, you didn't even know that in the first place.

Careful. Big words scare and frighten LethalHavoc.

 

View Postriff_, on Sep 15 2016 - 10:34, said:

​Thank You.

Nope. The story is that there is this Sherman that the OP of the post incorrectly stated was destroyed by an 88mm Flak gun when - oops - it was demonstrably destroyed by a demolition charge most likely by the Germans to prevent it from being recaptured by the Americans.

 

This was established by the second post in this thread.

 

Unfortunately, a bunch of clueless Wehraboos can't into basic history or empirical evidence and started coming up with fanciful notions that a He-111 medium bomber was somehow magicked into a close air support role and strafed the Sherman with a single forward mounted 7.92mm machinegun causing the damage. This caused much hilarity where we mock the individual making that ridiculous claim by using other equally ridiculous examples.

 

And now we're all sitting around laughing at LethalHavok for continuing to dig his own grave of mush-headed rhetoric all while about a dozen of us are laughing about this on a different forum.

 

Yes. These 15 pages have all been about entertaining us, poking LethalHavok and making him dance like an organ grinder monkey. 

 

 

 

 

 



Walter_Sobchak #287 Posted Sep 15 2016 - 23:05

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All right boys and girls, as fun as this has been, it's time to put it to bed.  The book First Blood - US 1st Armored division in Tunisia by Claude with Leife Hulbert Gillono states that this tank "was almost certainly destroyed by demolition charges in an effort to deny it to the Germans."  I see no reason to think otherwise.  

 

You can view the pertinent pages of the book here and here.

 

 

 

 



Lethalhavoc #288 Posted Sep 16 2016 - 02:41

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View PostWalter_Sobchak, on Sep 15 2016 - 23:05, said:

All right boys and girls, as fun as this has been, it's time to put it to bed.  The book First Blood - US 1st Armored division in Tunisia by Claude with Leife Hulbert Gillono states that this tank "was almost certainly destroyed by demolition charges in an effort to deny it to the Germans."  I see no reason to think otherwise.

 

You can view the pertinent pages of the book here and here.

 

 

 

 

 

We already decided that some pages ago.

The reason this thread is still going is because Wulf and Brone + fan club.

Felt that my statements about HE111's and bad welds were in error. So I posted a number of videos proving I was correct.

Now they're flailing about, trying to twist, deflect or distract.


 

Which is funny as heck!


Edited by Lethalhavoc, Sep 16 2016 - 02:49.


Donward #289 Posted Sep 16 2016 - 02:45

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Sep 15 2016 - 17:41, said:

 

We already decided that some pages ago.

You gormless troll.

 

You've polluted this thread with 15 pages of inane ramblings. You don't get to brush this off. Grovel. Grovel in your pedantic ignorance.



EnsignExpendable #290 Posted Sep 16 2016 - 03:17

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Sep 15 2016 - 20:41, said:

 

We already decided that some pages ago.

The reason this thread is still going is because Wulf and Brone + fan club.

Felt that my statements about HE111's and bad welds were in error. So I posted a number of videos proving I was correct.

Now they're flailing about, trying to twist, deflect or distract.


 

Which is funny as heck!

 

But Walt's post decisively proves that your statements were in error, and that the rest of this farce was just you digging in deeper and deeper because you refused to admit how wrong you were. 

EnsignExpendable #291 Posted Sep 16 2016 - 03:18

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View PostDonward, on Sep 15 2016 - 20:45, said:

You gormless troll.

 

You've polluted this thread with 15 pages of inane ramblings. You don't get to brush this off. Grovel. Grovel in your pedantic ignorance.

 

He's not a troll, he's an XKCD character come to life

 



Lethalhavoc #292 Posted Sep 16 2016 - 03:19

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View PostEnsignExpendable, on Sep 16 2016 - 03:17, said:

 

But Walt's post decisively proves that your statements were in error, and that the rest of this farce was just you digging in deeper and deeper because you refused to admit how wrong you were.

 

Have you not read my posts?

 

You see, I had conceded long ago that it was a demo charge (I've said this at least 10 6 times by now).


 

This is about my statements regarding HE111's being used as close air support, which I have proven correct.


Edited by Lethalhavoc, Sep 16 2016 - 04:40.


Anlushac11 #293 Posted Sep 16 2016 - 09:37

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Actually Wulfe stated that it may have been destroyed by Demolition charges but did not provide anything to back up the statement. If Wulfe had done like Walter did and stated where the info came from this thread would be 1 page long.

 

I only looked at first two photos and Wulfe's enhanced photo. No one on this forum believes a 7.92mm machine gun took out that Sherman. It is absurd to suggest otherwise.



Lethalhavoc #294 Posted Sep 16 2016 - 09:38

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View PostAnlushac11, on Sep 16 2016 - 09:37, said:

Actually Wulfe stated that it may have been destroyed by Demolition charges but did not provide anything to back up the statement. If Wulfe had done like Walter did and stated where the info came from this thread would be 1 page long.

 

I only looked at first two photos and Wulfe's enhanced photo. No one on this forum believes a 7.92mm machine gun took out that Sherman. It is absurd to suggest otherwise.

 

No one said a machine gun did....

Bombers carry bombs.

 

If you'd care to point out the post that does claim a machine gun did it, we'd all be mighty thankful for the laugh.

 


Edited by Lethalhavoc, Sep 16 2016 - 11:12.


Anlushac11 #295 Posted Sep 16 2016 - 14:29

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Sep 16 2016 - 03:38, said:

 

No one said a machine gun did....

Bombers carry bombs.

 

If you'd care to point out the post that does claim a machine gun did it, we'd all be mighty thankful for the laugh.

 

 

Posted by Donward:  "Unfortunately, a bunch of clueless Wehraboos can't into basic history or empirical evidence and started coming up with fanciful notions that a He-111 medium bomber was somehow magicked into a close air support role and strafed the Sherman with a single forward mounted 7.92mm machinegun causing the damage. This caused much hilarity where we mock the individual making that ridiculous claim by using other equally ridiculous examples.

 

 



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View PostAnlushac11, on Sep 16 2016 - 14:29, said:

 

Posted by Donward:  "Unfortunately, a bunch of clueless Wehraboos can't into basic history or empirical evidence and started coming up with fanciful notions that a He-111 medium bomber was somehow magicked into a close air support role and strafed the Sherman with a single forward mounted 7.92mm machinegun causing the damage. This caused much hilarity where we mock the individual making that ridiculous claim by using other equally ridiculous examples.

 

 

 

Oh I see, yeah Dons on my ignore list, because he doesn't contribute anything to debates, he just throws a few insults and such.

So don't take anything he says seriously, he's just trying to rustle jimmies.






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