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Desmios #1 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 01:33

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Hey all,

 

   Love world of tanks, hate two things. 1) Premium Ammo (better than AP in EVERY way) and 2) Arty (boring for the one playing it, frustrating for the guy getting blown up)

 

I am looking to come back soon --- have these two problems been addressed yet?



Deathstar_Commander #2 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 01:33

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Nope, might be fixed a bit when they implement sandbox changes... who knows when that'll be though.

ff8ff8 #3 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 01:36

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It isn't pay to win if it's equally available to everyone. And HEAT is not better in every way to whatever the tanks standard ammo is.

Strike_Witch_Tomoko #4 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 01:38

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View PostDesmios, on Aug 29 2016 - 17:33, said:

Hey all,

 

   Love world of tanks, hate two things. 1) Premium Ammo (better than AP in EVERY way) and 2) Arty (boring for the one playing it, frustrating for the guy getting blown up)

 

I am looking to come back soon --- have these two problems been addressed yet?

 

both still in.

 

 



BashirTheTrainMaster #5 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 01:40

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Come back in 4 years good fellow. Game shall be perfecto!

Deathstar_Commander #6 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 01:41

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View Postff8ff8, on Aug 30 2016 - 01:36, said:

It isn't pay to win if it's equally available to everyone. And HEAT is not better in every way to whatever the tanks standard ammo is.

 

Spamming premium ammo isnt available to everyone though.

GeorgePreddy #7 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 01:53

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View PostDeathstar_Commander, on Aug 29 2016 - 21:41, said:

 

Spamming premium ammo isnt available to everyone though.

 

It is if that is what they really want to do (and without spending a cent of real money). I know... for sure.

saru_richard #8 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 01:56

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guessing now would be a bad time to mention that you can bounce gold ammo and arty has a dumb tendency of missing... a lot....  :hiding:

Desmios #9 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 02:05

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Sad.  Game could be much better.  Thank you all!

ff8ff8 #10 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 02:28

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View Post_Tsavo_, on Aug 29 2016 - 17:10, said:

 

it's better currently as you don't play it;) 

 

But his absence hurts the aluminum foil industry.

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View PostDesmios, on Aug 29 2016 - 16:33, said:

Hey all,

 

   Love world of tanks, hate two things. 1) Premium Ammo (better than AP in EVERY way) and 2) Arty (boring for the one playing it, frustrating for the guy getting blown up)

 

I am looking to come back soon --- have these two problems been addressed yet?

 

You've been here all along and you know the answers, at least as you see them.

Try asking in your normal account and stop beating genetically modified dead horses.

Everyone has access to premium ammo and arty.   Everyone has the chance to understand how each works and how to benefit from them and how to defend against them.

 

Have a nice day.



bugnut_invader #12 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 03:32

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View Postsaru_richard, on Aug 30 2016 - 01:56, said:

guessing now would be a bad time to mention that you can bounce gold ammo and arty has a dumb tendency of missing... a lot....  :hiding:

 

​lel

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Oh look Another whine about prem ammo from the OP.

Alterinus #14 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 07:40

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When I joined Wot I thought it'd be pretty much like real life, AP is decent against usual targets, but you need APCR for harder ones. Power creep has obviated that. 121 pen at tier 2 in a T3? wth?

 

You pretty much don't need gold ammo anymore as long as you play even moderately well, and that's a shame.

 

In regard to arty, if its boring for you to play it, don't play it. Problem solved. Someone else won't find it boring. Being a healbot in WoW is boring to some, but to me its the ultimate powertrip. Everything depends on you because they won't go one step beyond the entrance in a dungeon without dying if you're not there. They need you. I'm sure arty plays feel the same power trip. Making people in tier 2 rage with an OP SU-18 or FT [edited]is always nice.

 

If its frustrating to die to, don't get spotted, kill spotters, and keep moving. If you have to double back to not get hit while cowering behind some rock, consider that the trade off. You're forced to move positions and break your offensive line, due to arty (just as it should be!).

 

Just because you're forced to do something you don't want to do to survive doesn't mean it's bad for the game, unbalanced, broken, op, up, or whatever. It means its actually good for the game. In starcraft 2, you used to be forced to get at least 1 rax within ~50 seconds, or risk losing outright. That was after people honed the game down more and more until it was about executing good strats through good physical control, rather than trying to come up with some strat on the fly. That's what most games boil down to, anyway. Strats on the fly hardly ever work, unless there's a lot of time to think about it. TD doctrine didn't work out like it was supposed to and between battles is when people in charge of the actual units decided they'd be useful in other ways like used as assault guns on fortifications, etc.

 

This may seem like a tangent, but it's actually critical to understand that in all of these situations, battle are fought after calculations, not before. If you're frustrated by arty and think that in the moment there's nothing you can do but die to a "clicker", your planning and strategy is bad. Why don't you retreat when you're spotted and you can tell arty is shooting at you? Why try to rock hug, die, anyway, and then complain about the weapon? It forces you to make a decision.

 

You know what else forces you to make a decision? A TD or heavy tank on the other side of that rock. Do you go in as entry fragger and get shot to hell? Do you try to find a way around? you're being forced to do something you don't want to do, which is fundamentally like arty, but its only arty that makes you mad?

 

Working as intended.

 

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Edited by Alterinus, Aug 30 2016 - 08:00.


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clearly atl/troll account

 

1400 games in 5 years. clearly an expert on wot



_cthulhu_ #16 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 16:51

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View PostDesmios, on Aug 30 2016 - 12:33, said:

Hey all,

 

   Love world of tanks, hate two things. 1) Premium Ammo (better than AP in EVERY way) and 2) Arty (boring for the one playing it, frustrating for the guy getting blown up)

 

I am looking to come back soon --- have these two problems been addressed yet?

Premium ammo is not better than AP in every way...

HEAT is eaten by spaces armor, typically flies slower, no normalization

APCR has less normalization

 

The more you know!



Alterinus #17 Posted Aug 30 2016 - 17:39

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View Post_cthulhu_, on Aug 30 2016 - 16:51, said:

Premium ammo is not better than AP in every way...

HEAT is eaten by spaces armor, typically flies slower, no normalization

APCR has less normalization

 

The more you know!

 

It also seems to have some inaccuracy greater than other ammo. HE shells out of an SU-18 always hit 99.9% accurate to the center dot if you allow it to center. I've spent plenty of HEAT that was centered just the same and went off target. hitting space armor + tread = no damage. :'(

 







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