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Life_In_Black #6801 Posted Feb 02 2015 - 18:04

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View PostSoukouDragon, on Feb 02 2015 - 10:57, said:

hmmmmm books......

 

 

Is that all stuff you own?

SoukouDragon #6802 Posted Feb 02 2015 - 18:18

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Feb 02 2015 - 18:04, said:

 

Is that all stuff you own?

 

Yes it's all in my little apartment next to where I sleep. This photo is actually quite old. I have a bit more than that now. The white/green on the lower left is Tomio Hara's 1978 book. The collection has caused some sleepless nights during the height of the research period lol

Life_In_Black #6803 Posted Feb 02 2015 - 18:35

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View PostSoukouDragon, on Feb 02 2015 - 12:18, said:

 

Yes it's all in my little apartment next to where I sleep. This photo is actually quite old. I have a bit more than that now. The white/green on the lower left is Tomio Hara's 1978 book. The collection has caused some sleepless nights during the height of the research period lol

 

I can't imagine how much those had to have cost.

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Feb 02 2015 - 18:35, said:

 

I can't imagine how much those had to have cost.

 

Most were $20 or less but some were expensive. Total $400-500. But I have other books as well.. history, language learning, and outer space. So I'm no stranger to spending on books.

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View Postlostwingman, on Feb 02 2015 - 10:55, said:

I can't wait for giant lumbering Japanese box castles of doom. I need something else ridiculously large to go with my E-100 and Maus.

Ya remember that joke to make a mod where the Maus is camo'd like a house? Should make a mod for the Japanese heavies to have pagodas



Life_In_Black #6806 Posted Feb 02 2015 - 19:16

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View PostSoukouDragon, on Feb 02 2015 - 12:57, said:

 

Most were $20 or less but some were expensive. Total $400-500. But I have other books as well.. history, language learning, and outer space. So I'm no stranger to spending on books.

 

Most expensive book I have is the two volume set of La Meccanizzazione dell'Esercito Fino Al 1943, which cost me ~$95 or so, just over half of which was shipping from Italy. Granted, the shipping was absolutely amazing so I'm not complaining.

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Feb 02 2015 - 19:16, said:

 

Most expensive book I have is the two volume set of La Meccanizzazione dell'Esercito Fino Al 1943, which cost me ~$95 or so, just over half of which was shipping from Italy. Granted, the shipping was absolutely amazing so I'm not complaining.

 

The volumes are in Italian? Making any efforts in learning Italian?

 

Tomio Hara's 1978 book is my most expensive. Was about $150.



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View PostSoukouDragon, on Feb 02 2015 - 13:35, said:

 

The volumes are in Italian? Making any efforts in learning Italian?

 

Tomio Hara's 1978 book is my most expensive. Was about $150.

 

Yeah, they're in Italian. I haven't really been learning Italian, I've just been picking up words related to military technology.



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View PostGrendel61, on Feb 02 2015 - 06:30, said:

Not sure why anyone would spend more than 2 minutes trying to figure out how to flesh out the Jap tree.  Anything they come out with will be crap, just like what they've already come out with.  Japan has never been a big tank force nation so all this talk about expanding the lines is a bunch of theoretical nonsense.  There's a reason you see very few japanese tanks in pubs OR CW...because they suck.  New tanks and tank lines will be no different.  Some of you boys, spending hours developing alternate japanese tank lines for this game, have too much time on your hands.  Go outside.  Read a book.  Talk to a girl.

 

Oh my, what's this?  You barely have a fraction of games played in Japanese tanks compared to me, you perform consistently worse in almost all of them, and you even skipped one of the best tanks of the line the Chi-To.

 

You really think you have any room to pass judgment on the Japanese tank line, much less the players who like these tanks?  Every single Japanese tank in-game was physically built and tested and/or deployed for combat.  There are NO paper toys like in the German and Russian trees and no fakes like the T28 or WT E-100.

 

Get informed.



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View PostSoukouDragon, on Feb 02 2015 - 06:43, said:

 

Easy there, the post you are replying to is talking about the Type 5 Chi-Ri mounting the 88mm cannon. Of course there was no such plan and there was no such thing as a "Chi-Ri Kai". 

 

The Type 3 medium tank was the Chi-Nu, not Chi-Ri. And the Chi-Nu Kai was a name for the experimental vehicle that mounted the Chi-To turret. The plan to up gun the Chi-Nu in late 1945 wasn't for mounting the 88mmL45 but for mounting the Type 5 75mm. And this tank was to be called Chi-Nu long barrel, not Chi-Nu Kai.

 

Oh, and welcome to the thread. You are indeed late though. 

 

 

My mistake, I misread his post.

 

 

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The source mentioned this out to be "SR-III Ha-Go", which seems incorrect to me. 

 

 

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Official designation: SR-III "Ha-go"
Alternative notation?
Start of design: 1935
Date of construction of the first prototype: 1936
Stage of completion: built one prototype.

Despite another setback with the tank-type SR company Mitsubishi has proposed an updated draft of the Japanese Army SR-III "Ha-th" (Suiriku-Ryoyo III - the third model amphibious tank), work on which began in late 1935. Now the weight limit defined in the 7500 kg. An additional requirement was to enhance the weapons (because of what was previously rejected by SR-II).

In general, the design of the tank maintained continuity with the previous model SR-II. The main difference was only fully welded housing that would provide better germitichnost afloat. The layout of the housing remained unchanged. In front of the case was transmissions mechanical type, for which the place of the driver (right) and front pulemektchika (left), as well as bodies manipulated. Middle part of housing was busy fighting compartment, which is installed on the roof of hexagonal tower with a high commander's cupola, leans forward in the stowed position. Another improvement was the external sheathing board more streamlined "floats" increased volume. Maskimalno thickness reservation now was 13 mm.
Armament SR-III tank was again strengthened. Since the presence of two small-caliber machine guns is clearly not consistent with the nature of combat use of this machine was installed in the tower of 13.2-mm machine gun Type 93. Accordingly, the dimensions of the tower has been slightly increased. At the same time, in the front hull remained installation course 6.5-mm machine gun Type 91. The crew consisted of three people: a driver, gunner and commander.
In the chassis SR-III most of the elements borrowed from a light tank "Ha-go". Applied to one side, it consisted of the following components: three wheels with rubber tires, one supporting roller, Front wheel drive and rear wheel steering lowered to the ground. Road wheels were connected in pairs and equipped with suspension springs on the spring. Melkozvenchataya caterpillar recruited from steel tracks with one crest. Type of power plant tank SR-III uncertain. Allegedly used gasoline 6-cylinder engine capacity of 100-110 hp Mitsubishi and transmission of mechanical type By water tank is moved by a propeller placed aft.

After completions combat weight of the tank increased and amounted to 7,200 kg, but it almost did not affect the buoyancy and driving performance. Testing the first prototype SR-III held until 1937 inclusive. In general, the tank meets the basic requirements of the army command, but so far carried out various kinds of tests revealed that, as presented, the tank can not be accepted for service. First of all, bring a claim to the mass SR-III, which was close to the limit. The second disadvantage is the number of machine-gun armament. Specialists from Mitsubishi calculated installation in the tower cannon armament, but even when you install a 37-mm cannon type 94 (which is no longer considered modern) weight increased to 7500 kg. Thus, the project SR-III again failed to fit into the ever-changing demands of the army. Attempt to offer a tank fleet also failed - this time "sailors" have made their choice in favor of a more perfect project developed on the basis of a light tank "Ha-go". Actually the story of tanks SR series ended.

 

Used "P.Sergeev "Tanks Japan in World War II." 2000" as his source, havent checked the book out but I wouldnt hold it close to me. I'm Korean, excuse the english.

 

 


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This tech tree looks pretty good i really like the idea of the Whippet at tier 1 the only problem that i can see is that it was just a box with a machine gun in each side so that rules it to be useless in the game because they were just machine guns but like you said Russia got 1 and added a Puteaux 37mm gun and if a japanes 37mm was put on it i think that that would make it good enough for the game since not everyone looks into these things. :3 P.S. i think that it is really awesome that you put so much effort into making a japanes tech tree and i really like the huge top tier heavies.

SoukouDragon #6812 Posted Feb 03 2015 - 04:30

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View PostChi_Ri, on Feb 03 2015 - 00:16, said:

 

 

My mistake, I misread his post.

 

 

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The source mentioned this out to be "SR-III Ha-Go", which seems incorrect to me. 

 

 

 

Used "P.Sergeev "Tanks Japan in World War II." 2000" as his source, havent checked the book out but I wouldnt hold it close to me. I'm Korean, excuse the english.

 

 

 

According to Hara's 1978, it is indeed the SRIII. But information seems to be wrong as you suspected. It was made by Ishigawajima, not by Mitsubishi. And the weight was 3.600 tons. 3.850 tons when combat ready. Far from 7.5 tons.

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View PostSoukouDragon, on Feb 03 2015 - 04:30, said:

 

According to Hara's 1978, it is indeed the SRIII. But information seems to be wrong as you suspected. It was made by Ishigawajima, not by Mitsubishi. And the weight was 3.600 tons. 3.850 tons when combat ready. Far from 7.5 tons.

 

 

Any information on the armament? I dont seem to be aware of this Type.



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View PostChi_Ri, on Feb 03 2015 - 04:41, said:

 

 

Any information on the armament? I dont seem to be aware of this Type.

 

Just says one 7.7 tank heavy machine gun "7.7mm戦車重機1"

 

Looking at pictures of the Type 92 HMG, this is probably what is in the turret. No mention of a 2nd armament. Maybe the hull mounted MG in the picture is a tank version of the Type 11 6.5mm MG.



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View Posthotrodnate, on Feb 03 2015 - 00:43, said:

This tech tree looks pretty good i really like the idea of the Whippet at tier 1 the only problem that i can see is that it was just a box with a machine gun in each side so that rules it to be useless in the game because they were just machine guns but like you said Russia got 1 and added a Puteaux 37mm gun and if a japanes 37mm was put on it i think that that would make it good enough for the game since not everyone looks into these things. :3 P.S. i think that it is really awesome that you put so much effort into making a japanes tech tree and i really like the huge top tier heavies.

 

Keep in mind that the tech tree in the first post was a proposal made in July 2011. For its time, it was instrumental in getting the ball rolling for the eventual addition of the Japanese tech tree in late 2013. But by 2013 standards, the first post tech tree is not good. A lot of improvements have been made.

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View PostVollketten, on Feb 13 2015 - 19:08, said:

 

What is that?

Shrike58 #6818 Posted Mar 25 2015 - 14:35

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View PostIndygoEEI, on Mar 25 2015 - 08:32, said:

 

What is that?

 

Captured American light tank....




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