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Chi_Ri #6861 Posted Jul 21 2015 - 23:00

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View PostPrivate_Public, on Jul 21 2015 - 17:42, said:

7.  Is there enough potential material available for a Japanese TD tree that goes to Tier 10?  

 

Yes - there is.

 

View PostPrivate_Public, on Jul 21 2015 - 17:42, said:

8.  On the Japanese TD's, what sort of playstyle will they trend towards at the upper tiers?  Will they be big damage?  Quick and sneaky?  All Arounders?  Any clues you can give?

 

Significant guns with poorish armour, fair speed.

 

View PostPrivate_Public, on Jul 21 2015 - 17:42, said:

9.  Are there any potential Japanese Tanks for light tanks up to tier 8?  

 

LTs up to Tier 7. No Tier 8 available.

 

View PostPrivate_Public, on Jul 21 2015 - 17:42, said:

10.  When it comes to Japanese Arty, I recall somewhere someone posting that they would be a cross between French and Russian Arty - very fast/lightly armored, but big guns with terrible traverse.  Is this true, or was it just fancy wishes by some dreamer?

 

From my own suggestion placements, the SPGs are mixed. T2 to T5 will play out similarly to the Bison and Grille. T6 will preform alike to the FV304, T7 and T9 having very large alpha guns with very little in other categories. The T10 is similar to the US T92. 


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Another Question: Will the Type 4 Ha-To be included in the SPG line?

Chi_Ri #6863 Posted Jul 22 2015 - 04:55

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View PostPtank2012, on Jul 22 2015 - 03:27, said:

Another Question: Will the Type 4 Ha-To be included in the SPG line?

 

 

I placed it at T9 due to having no better choice for its tier. The Type4 will most likely have insane alpha, but negligible in everything else. The arc of the vehicle with wot's physics will force the Type4 to have horrible aiming distance. 



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View PostPrivate_Public, on Jul 21 2015 - 09:42, said:

2.  Regardless of gun, is the -10 depression the same for the whole 360* turret traverse, or will there be 'surprises' where they gain or lose an additional degree or two of gun depression to the sides or corners of the tank as the turret traverses?

 

It is likely that we'll be seeing a new 360 degrees depression system introduced with the branch. In other words, now each degree has its own depression number instead of the old front/side/rear system.

 

 

View PostPrivate_Public, on Jul 21 2015 - 09:42, said:

6.  @Dai - thank you for your time and effort!  I know people trash you and dump on you, but without you, I wouldn't be enjoying my Chi-Nu Kai and STB-1!!!  Sorry, not a question.

 

It's the price of not bothering to soften my tough lessons.

 

 

View PostPrivate_Public, on Jul 21 2015 - 09:42, said:

7.  Is there enough potential material available for a Japanese TD tree that goes to Tier 10?  

 

8.  On the Japanese TD's, what sort of playstyle will they trend towards at the upper tiers?  Will they be big damage?  Quick and sneaky?  All Arounders?  Any clues you can give?

 

Yes.

 

I prefer extremely accurate insane ROF 10.5 cm guns.



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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 21 2015 - 23:00, said:

LTs up to Tier 7. No Tier 8 available.

 

There is no suitable tier 5. Tier 6 and Tier 7 candidates were likely not even paper tanks, just proposed ideas.

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View PostSoukouDragon, on Jul 22 2015 - 13:40, said:

 

There is no suitable tier 5. Tier 6 and Tier 7 candidates were likely not even paper tanks, just proposed ideas.

 

Keep telling yourself this hun, but there is like it or naught. 

Daigensui #6867 Posted Jul 22 2015 - 15:01

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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 06:16, said:

Keep telling yourself this hun, but there is like it or naught. 

 

You might want to be more respectful. Just because you have access to Listy's files doesn't mean you get to act like you know everything.

 

And frankly, I'm not convinced as to whether it is good enough for Tier V in the first place.



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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 14:16, said:

 

Keep telling yourself this hun, but there is like it or naught. 

 

Everything about it looks like pre Ha-Go material, except for the engine, which makes no sense considering the rest of the parameters. And considering the rest of the oddities about the whole batch, it's likely to have never been a true design intention. So either pick the cherry or pick the tree. The tree makes more sense to pick.

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View PostSoukouDragon, on Jul 22 2015 - 15:09, said:

 

Everything about it looks like pre Ha-Go material, except for the engine, which makes no sense considering the rest of the parameters. And considering the rest of the oddities about the whole batch, it's likely to have never been a true design intention. So either pick the cherry or pick the tree. The tree makes more sense to pick.

 

I've already discussed it with Okino, and I remain firm on the Tier 5 placement counting all the factors. 

 

 

View PostSoukouDragon, on Jul 22 2015 - 15:09, said:

And considering the rest of the oddities about the whole batch, it's likely to have never been a true design intention. 

 

Considering the rest of the designs made it to production or prototype stage, it's proper to take this one as legitimate. I've already heard your feelings regarding to the designs, and respect that, but I'm already set with them. 

 

 

 


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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 15:19, said:

 

I've already discussed it with Okino, and I remain firm on the Tier 5 placement counting all the factors. 

 

Doesn't get my endorsement, for what's its worth.

 

62.22222hp/ton :D

 

That does not strike you as peculiar?

 

 



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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 07:19, said:

I've already discussed it with Okino, and I remain firm on the Tier 5 placement counting all the factors.  

 

Okino isn't known as the best person for balancing.. 

 

 

View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 07:19, said:

but I'm already set with them.  

 

I'm not sure if just one person endorsing it will result in anything.



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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 15:19, said:

Considering the rest of the designs made it to production or prototype stage, it's proper to take this one as legitimate. I've already heard your feelings regarding to the designs, and respect that, but I'm already set with them. 

 

 

How can you feel so sure about that... Listy's batch is a rare batch but is not strong in credibility. Interesting stuff, however, too many oddities to take as representation for what Japan actually built.

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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 07:19, said:

Considering the rest of the designs made it to production or prototype stage, it's proper to take this one as legitimate. 

 

All we've seen at most are authorizations for building, not that they were actually built. 



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View PostDaigensui, on Jul 22 2015 - 15:43, said:

 

Okino isn't known as the best person for balancing.. 

 

 

He was used to send Soukou's messages to me since he didn't want to. 

 

View PostSoukouDragon, on Jul 22 2015 - 15:53, said:

 

How can you feel so sure about that... Listy's batch is a rare batch but is not strong in credibility. Interesting stuff, however, too many oddities to take as representation for what Japan actually built.

 

There are some things in the documents that are iffy. But there are a couple I'm more lenient to agree with looking at the data.

 

View PostDaigensui, on Jul 22 2015 - 15:43, said:

I'm not sure if just one person endorsing it will result in anything.

 

Of course not, but my own person suggestion and opinion on it. 

 



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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 16:22, said:

 

He was used to send Soukou's messages to me since he didn't want to. 

 

He came to me with the matter and has been involved with Listy's batch since the beginning. Don't misrepresent people's intentions and actions.

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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 16:22, said:

There are some things in the documents that are iffy. But there are a couple I'm more lenient to agree with looking at the data.

 

Lenient with 62hp/ton?

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View PostSoukouDragon, on Jul 22 2015 - 16:37, said:

 

He came to me with the matter and has been involved with Listy's batch since the beginning. Don't misrepresent people's intentions and actions.

 

He told me you just werent fond of the program so he was open to send your opinions regarding this. But frankly that isn't really important. 

 

View PostSoukouDragon, on Jul 22 2015 - 16:38, said:

 

Lenient with 62hp/ton?

 

I don't mind discussing it, but going to private seems better fit, to respect the privacy of Listy's information. 

 



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View PostChi_Ri, on Jul 22 2015 - 16:49, said:

 

He told me you just werent fond of the program so he was open to send your opinions regarding this. But frankly that isn't really important.

 

That's fine.
 

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I don't mind discussing it, but going to private seems better fit, to respect the privacy of Listy's information. 

 

Yes/No is all that is needed.

 

Lenient on 62hp/ton?






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