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AlasdhairM #1 Posted Sep 17 2016 - 01:40

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So I recently started volunteering at an armored vehicle museum (the Museum of American Armor, in Old Bethpage, New York), and because the museum tries very hard to keep as much of the collection running as possible, I figured I should get my hands on the Operator's and Maintenance manuals. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Additionally, the collection has a Magach 3 that was knocked out in '73. Would my best bet for manuals be going off the M48A3 or M48A5?

 

As of now, I have found:

TM 9-2815-200-35DIRECT SUPPORT, GENERAL SUPPORT AND DEPOT MAINTENANCE MANUAL. INCLUDING REPAIR PARTS AND SPECIAL TOOLS LISTS FOR ENGINE, WITH CONTAINER TURBOSUPERCHARGED, DIESEL, FUEL INJECTION, 90 -DEGREE "V" TYPE, AIR-COOLED, 12- CYLINDER, ASSEMBLY; MODELS AVDS-1790-2M (2815-8.56-4996), AVDS-1790-2A AND AVDS - 1790 -2AM (2815-856-9005)

 

TM 9-2350-258-20-2 Organizational Maintenance Manual for Tank, Combat, Full-Tracked, 105-MM Gun, M48A5, Turret

 

At the top of my list for what I'm trying to find right now are:

TM 9-2350-258-10 Operator's Manual: Tank, Combat, Full-Tracked: 105-MM Gun, M48A5
TM 9-2350-258-20-1 Organizational Maintenance Manual: Tank, Combat, Full-Tracked: 105-MM Gun, M48A5 Hull
LO 9-2350-258-12 Lubrication Order for Tank, Combat, Full-Tracked: 105-MM Gun M48A5

 

Any manuals for the M48A3

Any manuals specific to the Magach 3, particularly relating to the radio and intercom system.

Any manuals for the Hellcat, M4A3E8, M5A1 Stuart, M8 Greyhound or M20, or Universal Carrier.

 

 



anaamonous #2 Posted Sep 17 2016 - 03:17

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Try asking on a forum about real tanks.

AlasdhairM #3 Posted Sep 17 2016 - 03:37

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I was under the impression that the firing line subforum was for technical Q&A about tanks. Am I incorrect?

anaamonous #4 Posted Sep 17 2016 - 03:41

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I just think that you will have more responses on a forum dedicated to real tanks.

AlasdhairM #5 Posted Sep 17 2016 - 03:47

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Perhaps, but I'm hoping someone like the Chieftain or Walter_Sobchak or one of the other extremely knowledgeable members stumbles across this and can be of assistance

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View PostAlasdhairM, on Sep 16 2016 - 18:47, said:

Perhaps, but I'm hoping someone like the Chieftain or Walter_Sobchak or one of the other extremely knowledgeable members stumbles across this and can be of assistance

 

I sent you a PM with some info.

The_Chieftain #7 Posted Sep 19 2016 - 22:07

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The M48A5 manual is going to be a bit hard to come across, and if that particular one came with a manual, that book is sitting in an unmarked box in California. However, an M60/M60A1 manual ought to be close enough to keep the Magach running.

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What radio is the Magach 3 using? I had been under the impression that they were using American AN/VRC-12s, as Elbit systems in Israel was producing them under license. Also, does the Magach 3 still have the Israeli identification number? This will tell us whether it's one of the M48s acquired from Germany or the United States in the mid 1960s, or one of the M48s captured from Jordan during the Six Days War in 1967.

AlasdhairM #9 Posted Sep 20 2016 - 03:55

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I don't know what radios it has, although I know they don't quite work right now. It was captured from Jordan in '67, and knocked out via a Sagger or an RPG to the engine compartment in '73. I'll make sure to get the numbers. Below is a photo from the press release when it was acquired/dedicated. It shows the number 109121-Sadhe or 109121-Ayin, I think.

 

 

 

Thanks for the tip about the M60M60A1 manuals! Is there anywhere where I could find a list of all the manuals written for a particular tank?

 

Edit: The Magach has since had a mockup M2HB added as an above barrel coax, as well as much stowage and several demilled Uzis in the already-existing mounts.


Edited by AlasdhairM, Sep 20 2016 - 03:56.


Life_In_Black #10 Posted Sep 20 2016 - 05:26

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Definitely Jordanian capture from the Six Days War given the serial number. Here's a link to a bunch of manuals on the AN/VRC-12 radio: http://radionerds.com/index.php/AN~VRC-12 It might look familiar, or help nail it down. If not, perhaps take some pictures of the radio?



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It's the former Littlefield M48, if it helps.

AlasdhairM #12 Posted Sep 20 2016 - 17:24

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The links to the radio manuals should be helpful; I'm thinking of offering to try get the radios and/or intercom running, as they apparently do not at the moment. I also have managed to find what I'm pretty sure are the maintenance manuals for the turret and hull in PDF form, courtesy of google books. Unfortunately, the guys at the museum aren't too tech savvy, and they want me to print them out. I'm at almost 2,500 pages right now.

 

View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 20 2016 - 05:40, said:

It's the former Littlefield M48, if it helps.

Chieftain, do you know what the interior condition of the vehicle was when it was with the Littlefield Collection? I only caught a brief glance inside the loaders hatch during the one time I've been able to ride/go on/in it. 


Edited by AlasdhairM, Sep 20 2016 - 17:24.


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View PostAlasdhairM, on Sep 20 2016 - 12:24, said:

The links to the radio manuals should be helpful; I'm thinking of offering to try get the radios and/or intercom running, as they apparently do not at the moment. I also have managed to find what I'm pretty sure are the maintenance manuals for the turret and hull in PDF form, courtesy of google books. Unfortunately, the guys at the museum aren't too tech savvy, and they want me to print them out. I'm at almost 2,500 pages right now.

 

Chieftain, do you know what the interior condition of the vehicle was when it was with the Littlefield Collection? I only caught a brief glance inside the loaders hatch during the one time I've been able to ride/go on/in it. 

 

If the radio can't be fixed, acquiring a working AN/VRC-12 shouldn't be too hard. Also, another option might be to try reaching out to the IDF or Yad Lashiryon tank museum, they might be able to give you some more information. I know just from what I've come across, that Magach 3s during the Yom Kippur War could be seen with the old large commander's cupola, the Urdan cupola, and a Sherman cupola, as the IDF was a little haphazard with its modifications like that. I imagine radios though, would be standardized.

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View PostAlasdhairM, on Sep 20 2016 - 16:24, said:

The links to the radio manuals should be helpful; I'm thinking of offering to try get the radios and/or intercom running, as they apparently do not at the moment. I also have managed to find what I'm pretty sure are the maintenance manuals for the turret and hull in PDF form, courtesy of google books. Unfortunately, the guys at the museum aren't too tech savvy, and they want me to print them out. I'm at almost 2,500 pages right now.

 

Chieftain, do you know what the interior condition of the vehicle was when it was with the Littlefield Collection? I only caught a brief glance inside the loaders hatch during the one time I've been able to ride/go on/in it. 

 

"Service", as I recall. i.e. generally speaking everything is intact, but showing years of use, unrestored. I never paid all that much attention to it.

Previous owner before Littlefield was Budge.



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I'll have to dig a bit, but it's likely that I have the M60A1 -10 TM, and perhaps the -20 from the AOB or the BMO's course.  If I have an M48 TM it would be for the  late 70's model (the A8 if I remember right). If I have VRC operator's manuals you may have them too (I don't believe I would have -20s for the radios).

 

It may be the week end before I get to it.  My wife would be happy that they left my home to go elsewhere....



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Dont know how much use these would be - quite a bit of bumf about the M48

 

https://ntrl.ntis.go...hQuery=M48 tank

 

Tank, Combat, Full Tracked: 90-mm Gun, M48A3 W/E
Hull, Suspension, Final Drive, Slipring Box, Turret, and Miscellaneous Components
Field and Depot Maintenance Manual
Department of the Army Technical Manual TM 9-2350-224-35

 

http://www.merriam-p...350-224-35.aspx

 

Battle Damage Repair

 

TM 9-2350-273-BD - Liberated Manuals






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