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Kliphie #61 Posted Oct 07 2016 - 16:15

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View PostOgopogo, on Oct 07 2016 - 10:13, said:

Are you arguing that many premium rounds are just as likely to pen as standard rounds? Here's a fact: they're not

 

HEAT rounds used by inexperienced players are often worse than standard. 

KatzeWolf #62 Posted Oct 07 2016 - 16:17

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View Postredemption, on Oct 08 2016 - 01:15, said:

Consider two players in a tier 10 game.

 

Player A:

  • Has premium account
  • buys credits for gold
  • All APCR
  • All prem consumables

 

Player B:

  • No prem account
  • Plays 20 tier 5 battles for each t10 battle
  • All APCR
  • All prem consumables

 

Which player wins?

 

You are only considering the tier 10 game, the player paying money can afford to run prem consumables in more of their games, not just the one.

Ogopogo #63 Posted Oct 07 2016 - 16:17

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View PostKliphie, on Oct 07 2016 - 16:15, said:

 

HEAT rounds used by inexperienced players are often worse than standard. 

 

Hence the "many", and even with heat it isn't consitent.

Strike_Witch_Tomoko #64 Posted Oct 07 2016 - 16:19

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View PostMaxximusDecimusMeridius, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:13, said:

 

No, you are wrong.  Choose your words carefully.  People with a premium account and premium tanks do not have a "better" access to premium rounds, they have a "quicker" access to premium rounds.  AGAIN, pay to progress faster.

 

prem account and prem tanks greatly help reduce the number of games and tanks you'll go negative income in.

 

while normal tanks and account have more negative income games.  and thus a negative affect on your credits.

 

so better, not quicker.

quicker would imply its impossible to go negative, and instead bth are approaching the same destination at different speeds

 

better implies one is heading to the destination while the other is approaching slowly, while also being dragged backwards.

 

 

 

and when you include the fact that doing dmg = credits

and gold rounds = easier pen (or even requried to pen for some tanks)

and prem account an tanks make easier credits

 

your punishing the non prem



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View PostKatze_, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:13, said:

 

Yes, but in the mean time, can not afford as many 'prem rounds' as player A, so player A has the advantage.

 

No again, because this comes down to who player A and player B is in game.  You take a good player (player B) with no premium rounds against a not so good player (player A) with all premium rounds, player B wins, period.

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In life money will always give an advantage. Learn to live with it. 2 Olympic class athletes one is wealthy so can train every day the other needs to work for a living so has reduced training schedule. Which do you think will get to the Olympics?  

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The marathon to get t-44-100 for free is about finished. Also this month you could have gotten a choice of several tier 6 premium tanks from tankrewards. Last month tank rewards also gave a skoda t-40. Su-100y - one of the best farming tanks in the game (even though its only tier 6) was given out for logging in. 112 was on marathon as was is-6. T34 and the British tier 8 premium were given to any who bothered to get the non premium versions before they were changed into premiums. Clan wars have given out several tier 8 premium tanks now.  E-25 was given to anyone who wanted it for minimal effort right after it was pulled from sales.

 

We have had tier 8 premium tanks for rent almost every day for the last year now.

 

If you don't want to either pay, or play, or just log in (in case of 100y) to get a premium tank so you have more credits but instead want to complain about fairness I think you are silly.



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View Postredemption, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:15, said:

Consider two players in a tier 10 game.

 

Player A:

  • Has premium account
  • buys credits for gold
  • All prem rounds
  • All prem consumables

 

Player B:

  • No prem account
  • Plays 20 tier 5 battles for each t10 battle
  • All prem rounds
  • All prem consumables

 

Which player wins?

 

play 100 games with that loadout

 

who still had prem rounds available, with credits to spare

and who is still struggling to fill their tier 10 with gold and has no credits to spare.

 

 

View Post_Tsavo_, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:16, said:

Pay to advance?  Sure.

 

Pay to win?  Nope.

 

 

Put a potato in a Cromwell B and watch him fail.  Pay to win means, regardless of skill, you pay and are suddenly able to win.  

 

That's nowhere near what this game is.

 

so your saying gold rounds don't give an advantage?

 

 

 

 

 



redemption #69 Posted Oct 07 2016 - 16:23

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View PostKatze_, on Oct 07 2016 - 10:17, said:

 

You are only considering the tier 10 game, the player paying money can afford to run prem consumables in more of their games, not just the one.

 

The tier doesn't matter the both players are equal in battle.

 

The only in game difference between the two players is the amount of grind.

Player A PAYS to not grind (at any teir)

Player B grinds.

 

The better player wins.

 

View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Oct 07 2016 - 10:21, said:

play 100 games with that loadout

 

who still had prem rounds available, with credits to spare

and who is still struggling to fill their tier 10 with gold and has no credits to spare.

 

in my example both still have credits.

Player B has just had to grind A LOT of Tier 5s.


Edited by redemption, Oct 07 2016 - 16:27.


KatzeWolf #70 Posted Oct 07 2016 - 16:24

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let me put it this way.

Both player A and player B play a 1000 game set.

 

Earnings from 1000 games
Player A                                  Player B

10,500,000 credits                  10,000,000 credits

 

If both players use all their income for supplies, Player A has the advantage in that 1000 game set because he can afford more.


Edited by Katze_, Oct 07 2016 - 16:26.


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View PostMaxximusDecimusMeridius, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:19, said:

 

No again, because this comes down to who player A and player B is in game.  You take a good player (player B) with no premium rounds against a not so good player (player A) with all premium rounds, player B wins, period.

 

This.  Why this is not utterly apparent to those arguing that premium rounds guarantee a win is beyond me.  The rest of us here know the truth as to why that is, however.

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:19, said:

 

prem account and prem tanks greatly help reduce the number of games and tanks you'll go negative income in.

 

while normal tanks and account have more negative income games.  and thus a negative affect on your credits.

 

so better, not quicker.

quicker would imply its impossible to go negative, and instead bth are approaching the same destination at different speeds

 

better implies one is heading to the destination while the other is approaching slowly, while also being dragged backwards.

 

 

 

and when you include the fact that doing dmg = credits

and gold rounds = easier pen (or even requried to pen for some tanks)

and prem account an tanks make easier credits

 

your punishing the non prem

 

We should agree to disagree.  Because the way I am looking at this situation is two awesome players, one with a standard account and one with a premium account.  The only advantage the one with the premium account has over the one with a standard account is that he will earn and achieve milestones in the game quicker than the one with the standard account.  Nice conversation.  I have to get back to work now.  lol

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I'm a bad player with a lot of premiums- if pay to win worked I'd be a champion!

 But alas I just have my fun and I don't mind paying for a quality product. None of these games would exist but for people like me willing and able to pay.

The free riders always miss this point when complaining about guys like me.


 



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View PostRandom__Task, on Oct 08 2016 - 01:25, said:

 

This.  Why this is not utterly apparent to those arguing that premium rounds guarantee a win is beyond me.  The rest of us here know the truth as to why that is, however.

 

We are in no way saying premium rounds guarantee a win, but they do increase your odds, same as all the prem equipment.

Edited by Katze_, Oct 07 2016 - 16:28.


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View PostKatze_, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:24, said:

let me put it this way.

Both player A and player B play a 1000 game set.

 

Earnings from 1000 games
Player A                                  Player B

10,500,000 credits                  10,000,000 credits

 

If both players use all their income for supplies, Player A has the advantage in that 1000 game set because he can afford more.

 

You guys are going to get me in trouble.  lol.  No, as Redemption said above, one does not have an advantage cause he can afford more, one ALWAYS has the advantage if he is the better player.  The better player will win in ALL situations, regardless of having more "money".

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The ability to accumulate credits or XP faster is NOT P2W.  FFS people this is not quantum mechanics.

 

Say it with me, "skill cannot be bought".  Now repeat it to yourself until it imprints.



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View PostKatze_, on Oct 07 2016 - 09:28, said:

 

We are in no way saying premium rounds guarantee a win, but they do increase your odds, same as all the prem equipment.

 

What premium equipment?

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View PostYANKEE137, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:27, said:

I'm a bad player with a lot of premiums- if pay to win worked I'd be a champion!

 But alas I just have my fun and I don't mind paying for a quality product. None of these games would exist but for people like me willing and able to pay.

The free riders always miss this point when complaining about guys like me.


 

 

did you watch the video?

no where did slip say its a gurenteed win

but it does help your performance over if you didn't use gold.  and thus your chances to win. 



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View PostMaxximusDecimusMeridius, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:29, said:

 

You guys are going to get me in trouble.  lol.  No, as Redemption said above, one does not have an advantage cause he can afford more, one ALWAYS has the advantage if he is the better player.  The better player will win in ALL situations, regardless of having more "money".

 

so if better player is in easy 8.  and has no gold

vs the worse player who is in an O-I

the better player will always win.     despite the fact he's incapable of penning the O-I frontally at all.   and all the O-I needs to do is sit in a corridor so easy 8 can't get on his side.



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View PostYANKEE137, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:27, said:

I'm a bad player with a lot of premiums- if pay to win worked I'd be a champion!

 But alas I just have my fun and I don't mind paying for a quality product. None of these games would exist but for people like me willing and able to pay.

The free riders always miss this point when complaining about guys like me.


 

 

Not a knock on YANKEE at all, but listen to this guy.  There are many players who have open wallets from their parents or from themselves (does not matter), point is they are rich or can afford to buy anything and everything they want, but yet are still not good at this game (not saying this is you Yankee, just a reference).  Why, they can afford everything you have listed, premium rounds, consumables, etc....?




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