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KatzeWolf #81 Posted Oct 07 2016 - 16:32

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View PostMainerd, on Oct 08 2016 - 01:29, said:

 

What premium equipment?

 

Large equipment, is also referred to as premium equipment.

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View PostYANKEE137, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:27, said:

I'm a bad player with a lot of premiums- if pay to win worked I'd be a champion!

 But alas I just have my fun and I don't mind paying for a quality product. None of these games would exist but for people like me willing and able to pay.

The free riders always miss this point when complaining about guys like me.


 

 

 

These are the words of a wise and rational person.  



frumpylumps #83 Posted Oct 07 2016 - 16:32

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Its always amusing watching the p2w deniers try to deny the obvious, trying to say black is white and white is black.   Every rational person agrees that WoT is p2w.  The only people denying it are the silly kids who nobody takes seriously.

 

some people will just never admit that they are part of the problem.

 

 


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View PostKatze_, on Oct 07 2016 - 10:24, said:

let me put it this way.

Both player A and player B play a 1000 game set.

 

Earnings from 1000 games
Player A                                  Player B

10,500,000 credits                  10,000,000 credits

 

If both players use all their income for supplies, Player A has the advantage in that 1000 game set because he can afford more.

 

This is literally the point of premium...

Both players are equal in any given battle.

Player B has to grind more (Low tier, stronghold etc) to afford it.

Player A pays money and does not.

 

and if someone says you need prem rounds/consumables for T6 stronks, you are doing it wrong.

 


Edited by redemption, Oct 07 2016 - 16:34.


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View PostMaxximusDecimusMeridius, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:32, said:

 

Not a knock on YANKEE at all, but listen to this guy.  There are many players who have open wallets from their parents or from themselves (does not matter), point is they are rich or can afford to buy anything and everything they want, but yet are still not good at this game (not saying this is you Yankee, just a reference).  Why, they can afford everything you have listed, premium rounds, consumables, etc....?

 

View PostRandom__Task, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:32, said:

 

 

These are the words of a wise and rational person.  

 

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:30, said:

 

did you watch the video?

no where did slip say its a gurenteed win

but it does help your performance over if you didn't use gold.  and thus your chances to win. 

 



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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:31, said:

 

so if better player is in easy 8.  and has no gold

vs the worse player who is in an O-I

the better player will always win.     despite the fact he's incapable of penning the O-I frontally at all.   and all the O-I needs to do is sit in a corridor so easy 8 can't get on his side.

 

O-I's turret is paper, along with its UFP, along with the mini turrets.  No premium required by the E8

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View Postredemption, on Oct 08 2016 - 01:32, said:

 

This is literally the point of premium...

Both players are equal in any given battle.

Player B has to grind more (Low tier, stronghold etc) to afford it.

Player A pays money and does not.

 

 

Yes, but during that 1000 games, player A has the advantage, he doesn't have to grind, and thus uses those games to play with the advantage still.

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Anyone who says WOT is P2Win has never played a real P2W, delusional, or has an agenda.

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View PostRandom__Task, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:34, said:

 

O-I's turret is paper, along with its UFP, along with the mini turrets.  No premium required by the E8

 

no

http://tanks.gg/wot/tank/o-i#tab:model

 

enjoy trying to pen 150mm with your 128pen.

 

View PostSays, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:35, said:

Anyone who says WOT is P2Win has never played a real P2W, delusional, or has an agenda.

 

did you watch the video?

 

he specifies its not a normal p2w


Edited by Strike_Witch_Tomoko, Oct 07 2016 - 16:36.


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View Postsoslo, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:35, said:

If the only thing WoT had to offer for sale was camo, I wouldnt spend a dollar on this game. Slip is missing the one biggest point about his argument and suggestion; The Average WoT Player. The targeted, average WoT player is not some tween to early twenty something kid playing in moms basement or the dorm, its people like me, people who are older 25+, who appreciate a little slower paced game, who doesnt have a ton of time due to RL commitments, but has a few bucks to throw at a video game. WoT has masterfully nailed a very niche market of older players, players who wont spend ONE RED CENT on some digital skin, but will drop $10 on some gold and premium time to grind over the weekend or after work in the evenings. WoT would not survive if they went to a model like Slip is suggesting, because that is not what the players they have targeted would buy.

 

So, with that context, is WoT P2W? I dont believe so. You do not gain any advantage in game, but it is definitely Pay-2-Progress, and the company readily admits that, because that's what its player base wants, and is willing to pay for. 

 

Yes this.  I fit their demographic perfectly and have spent A LOT of money on this game.  I've played a for a bit over 2 years and have always been on premium time and have a ton of premium tanks.

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:31, said:

 

so if better player is in easy 8.  and has no gold

vs the worse player who is in an O-I

the better player will always win.     despite the fact he's incapable of penning the O-I frontally at all.   and all the O-I needs to do is sit in a corridor so easy 8 can't get on his side.

 

LOL.  So now you are going to pull out the most rarest of rare situations in the game?  Really?  I can tell you one thing, if the player in the O-I was a bad player running all premium rounds and the easy 8 player was a super-unicum, not running any premium rounds, the easy 8 wins all day.

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View PostKatze_, on Oct 07 2016 - 09:32, said:

 

Large equipment, is also referred to as premium equipment.

 

So you have to play the previous tier longer to afford to equip it. That's not an unfair advantage. If you want it quicker open your wallet.

Edited by Mainerd, Oct 07 2016 - 16:39.


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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Oct 07 2016 - 15:33, said:

 

 

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The definition of winning is finite.

 

Common sense and skill cannot be bought.  Unfortunately, the majority of the playerbase is vastly devoid of both.  And I'm not referring to you : )



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View PostKatze_, on Oct 07 2016 - 10:34, said:

 

Yes, but during that 1000 games, player A has the advantage, he doesn't have to grind, and thus uses those games to play with the advantage still.

 

you have just literally stated what his advantage is.

Its pay to not grind...

 

The better player still wins regardless of money.



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View PostMainerd, on Oct 08 2016 - 01:38, said:

 

So you have to play the previous tier longer to afford to equip it. That's not an unfair advantage. If you want it quicker open you wallet.

 

EXACTLY!, more games, means more wins and losses while your grinding, while someone who pays ALWAYS has the advantage.

Edited by Katze_, Oct 07 2016 - 16:40.


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View PostMaxximusDecimusMeridius, on Oct 07 2016 - 08:38, said:

 

LOL.  So now you are going to pull out the most rarest of rare situations in the game?  Really?  I can tell you one thing, if the player in the O-I was a bad player running all premium rounds and the easy 8 player was a super-unicum, not running any premium rounds, the easy 8 wins all day.

 

you assuming the "bad" player is extremely bot liek bad

 

now assume the bad player is a light blue.  understands the basics of the game

while the easy 8 player is unicum

 

sure the unicum is a better player.   but because the O-I understands basic logic.   the unicum can't win as he can't get to the side of the O-I due to the corridor.  and can't pen it frontally as theres no modeled weakspot that the 128 pen gun can pen.

 

 

 

you need to stop assuming its a super skilled vs someone who has no idea.

 

 

and assume both have a basic understanding of the game.   but one is mroe skilled.



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View PostKatze_, on Oct 07 2016 - 09:39, said:

 

EXACTLY!, more games, means more wins and losses while your grinding, while someone who pays ALWAYS has the advantage.

 

So your going to lose more games in the already upgraded tank in the previous tier? It's pay to advance faster not win.

Edited by Mainerd, Oct 07 2016 - 16:42.


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I agree that if you had two players of equal skill who played the same number of battles and one had a premium account the entire time and one never had a premium account that the one who had a premium account will have better crews, more equipment and more premium ammo and is more likely to win.  However, earning personal reserves can reduce the effect of this, especially for newer players.  Now all Wargaming has to do to make it less pay to have better equipment and ammo is make the credit boos personal reserves easier to get and available more often.  I have a ton of XP boost and crew XP boost personal reserves I haven't used, about 200 of them.  I've only used them occasionally when I know I can play uninterrupted for 2 hours.

 

Also, premium tanks help with players not having premium time due to their increased credit income and increased crew XP earning ability.  However you need gold to convert their free XP to finish a grind faster and yes premium tanks are most often bought and not many are given out for free.

 

I really don't think WoT could make as much money on custom skins and emblems.  Its not a big deal to a large part of the community.

 

Also, a large percentage of the WoT players are players who throw money at the game(Premium time, premium tanks, etc..) and are still below average.  Premium time and premium tanks doesn't mean you will win.  A player with higher skill and no premium has a longer grind than a lower skilled player with premium time, however the higher skilled player will usually still win over the lower skilled player.

 

Also, Wargaming has given less opportunities for players to earn gold to purchase premium time and premium tanks due to reduced gold payouts in clan wars and tournaments.  Wargaming changing tournaments and clan wars is part of the problem.  Players who didn't have money to spend on the game, but were higher skilled could play tournaments or join a clan and get gold to play for premium time and premium tanks until the start of clan wars 2.0 and the reduction of payouts in tournaments occurred.



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View Postredemption, on Oct 08 2016 - 01:39, said:

 

you have just literally stated what his advantage is.

Its pay to not grind...

 

The better player still wins regardless of money.

 

omg you people, while he is 'grinding' to afford it, he is playing games, winning and losing without the advantage.
While the paying player ALWAYS has the advantage.

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Look at this player.  Can anyone say this guy isn't paying 2 win?

 

http://wotlabs.net/n.../rhm_skorpion_g

 

pay2win deniers need to pull their head out of the sand, or wherever else they have it.

 

Every person I know, knows that WoT is p2w.  Only the forum-dwelling irrationals  refuse to understand the facts.

 

Slipphanton explained it in a video and these silly p2w denier kids STILL don't get it. :rolleyes:


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