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Bavor #1 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:11

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It appears that the legality of the turret direction on the minimap mod on the NA server has changed.

 

Previously I was told it was legal.

 

Now people are being banned for using it.  I submitted a support ticket with screen shots to report a player who was saying very positive things about Hitler, saying Jews should go in ovens, and saying racist things about people of darker skin tones through the battle.  As a result of me using the mod I received a 1 week ban which was reversed.

 

The legality changed because "provide information to the individual player without the use of active teamwork" apparently means something different now than it did in 2015.  I was previously told that the mod was legal because it doesn't provide a payer with any information that they can't get by zooming our or communicating with team mates.  

 

 

I'd suggest players not use the mod at this point.

 

 

 

 

 



coat1 #2 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:14

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Typical WG everyone says something different. 

 



lnnokentiy #3 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:17

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There is still no official list of illegal mods... and they dare to ban you for using mod you specifically asked if it's legal? 

Silvers_ #4 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:26

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View PostArtyPromotesDynamicGame, on Oct 23 2016 - 10:17, said:

There is still no official list of illegal mods... and they dare to ban you for using mod you specifically asked if it's legal? 

 

Actually there is a list of legal/illegal mods aground here somewhere unless it's been deleted.

 

Thinks like Zoom out/in mods where it removes foilage, foilage removal mods, 3d tank skins (the clown tank mods) as well a a slew of others.



The_Illusive_Man #5 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:26

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If so many Wg employees are saying something different, I will ignore them, as they are not one voice. I would not use these mods anyways, as any competent play has no need of them.

Edited by The_Illusive_Man, Oct 23 2016 - 17:26.


Fodder_2016 #6 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:26

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The "if you are found to be using the illegal mod" language is interesting. I thought WG has no way of scanning your system for mods.  If they do, then why are there not more bans being made.

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View PostFodder_2016, on Oct 23 2016 - 12:26, said:

The "if you are found to be using the illegal mod" language is interesting. I thought WG has no way of scanning your system for mods.  If they do, then why are there not more bans being made.

 

I do not believe they do, as there would be another process in the background for this. Windows would not allow it otherwise.

Mudman24 #8 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:37

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I thought the turret direction was one they said was illegal when they banned Sela long ago.  Typical WG though, leaving everyone in the dark when it comes to rules.

Aiyden #9 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:38

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I gotta be honest here... seriously this advantage is huge. I dont understand how you thought this should be allowed if ever. If i ran this mod my stats would for sure improve. You would always be able to peek a boom at the right time no matter what to enemy tanks. 

 

Now i realize that some people signed off on it and that made you feel it was okaies. However this mod just makes me feel dirty..straight clubbin baby seals. Maybe its just me tho.

 

Not to mention you would be able to tell team mates even if they didnt have it. Sooo..would be really easy to charge attacks, sneak around as a light, or whatever. Since all you had to do was see the mod if anyone was aiming in your direction. WHich would indicate faster then sixth sense.

 

I run vanilla lately. I known am not the greatest player. Just my 2 cents.



scyorkie #10 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:39

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View PostArtyPromotesDynamicGame, on Oct 24 2016 - 00:17, said:

There is still no official list of illegal mods... and they dare to ban you for using mod you specifically asked if it's legal? 

 

There is a 2-year-old list here: https://na.wargaming...kb/articles/294

 

It expressly bans this mod.



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View Postscyorkie, on Oct 23 2016 - 10:39, said:

 

There is a 2-year-old list here: https://na.wargaming...kb/articles/294

 

It expressly bans this mod.

But just like autoaim + we have employees giving contradictory information in the forums. 



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IDK seems like this mod is still very questionable, If a team mate is not in LOS of a tank it still shows the direction of the turret without the aid of teammate.  This mod does give you an unfair advantage over someone who does not have it.  In order for this mod to have or be using " active teamwork " they would have to have clear LOS or at least a team mate .would have to see their turret to know which direction it is pointing.
 

Would the mod that shows when a tank runs over trees and houses be legal if it only show what was being broke in your view range? 

 

 

 



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View Postscyorkie, on Oct 23 2016 - 17:39, said:

 

There is a 2-year-old list here: https://na.wargaming...kb/articles/294

 

It expressly bans this mod.

 

You can ban whatever you like. The issue at hand is detection and how WG determines what a user is running.  It doesn't appear to be automatic.  Otherwise, the mod issue would have ended long ago with many, many player bans.


Edited by Fodder_2016, Oct 23 2016 - 17:46.


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View PostMudman24, on Oct 24 2016 - 00:43, said:

But just like autoaim + we have employees giving contradictory information in the forums. 

 

Yeah I know what you mean. This mod though should be an easy call, since there are often situations where even with extra zoom out you cannot tell where the enemy is looking. 



Rundog #15 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:50

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Whoa what an advantage. It should never have been legal.

scyorkie #16 Posted Oct 23 2016 - 17:52

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View PostFodder_2016, on Oct 24 2016 - 00:45, said:

You can ban whatever you like. The issue at hand is detection and how WG determines what a user is running.  It doesn't appear to be automatic.  Otherwise, the mod issue would have ended long ago with many, many player bans.

 

I agree that there doesn't appear to be a way for WG to determine if one is using illegal mods, and that this should be rectified ASAP.

 

There are often mentions in third party sites that WG has a detection system which will be in place "soon", but those appear to have been inaccurate so far.



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I've installed Aslain's mod pack.  And in all honesty, don't know if I have this mod on or not.  Know I've had it in the past, and don't think I ever used it or it providing any benefit.  Chances are, it's small drain on resources would of been a detriment to my computer's performance.  

 

Is Aslain's for example 3rd party?  Yeah.  But you'd think it would be fairly easy for Wargaming to go through at least five of the top mod-packs out there and deem what's legal or not.  

 

There's two mods I think give a benefit.  Something like Battlefield Assistant, which IMHO is awesome.  It perhaps give a performance benefit but also, improves the game.  Really think it's something that should be INCLUDED in the game.

If everyone has it, it's really fair.  Perhaps the only reason it's not is the confusion it would provide newer players.



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View PostThe_Illusive_Man, on Oct 23 2016 - 11:26, said:

I would not use these mods anyways, as any competent play has no need of them.

 

The mod is a time saver.  Instead of zooming in and out constantly to see where nearby tanks are aimed, it shows you on the map.  Also, some players have said the zooming in and out all the time to look at enemy turret positions makes them feel seasick.



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View PostMudman24, on Oct 23 2016 - 11:37, said:

I thought the turret direction was one they said was illegal when they banned Sela long ago. Typical WG though, leaving everyone in the dark when it comes to rules.

 

I guess nobody remembers what Sela was banned for and keeps spreading misinformation.  Sela was not banned for the turret direction mod.

 

Sela was using the mod that shows destroyed objects on the minimap.  At the time Wargamign didn't say it was illegal to use.  However a Wargamign employee watching Sela's stream banned Sela for using it.  Then Sela logged into another coconut he had an continued playing.

 

Sela was actually banned for circumventing the ban by logging into an outer account and not using the proper process to appeal the ban.



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Should be illegal inside your view range and outside.Use your brains WG and get rid of this crap.Quit supporting cheaters and mods.




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