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person_12 #1 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:00

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Lately I've been thinking, is the T34 balanced?

 

Pros:

-It has the best pen of any tier 8 heavy with standard ap 

-It has very effective turret armor and -10 degrees of gun depression

-Because of its pen you very rarely have to fire any premium, so it makes a lot of credits

 

Cons:

-It has very low DPM

-Long aim time and atrocious gun handling

-Very slow

-Paper hull armor (I know, you should be hull down)

 

I'm not trying to say that it's a bad tank, It's just very frustrating to play. When it works, it's great. But when it doesn't, it sucks.

 

I just want some other opinions on this, do you think that it should be buffed? Or do you think it's fine the way it is? I personally would like to see at least a gun handling buff.



24_inch_pythons #2 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:04

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T34 needs to be in a 3 man platoon. Otherwise you're leaving it to chance...

QuicksilverJPR #3 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:06

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It's fine by itself or in platoon.  The fact that it can face any tier it sees without too much difficulty (ok ok, arty will smite you at those tiers, but that goes for every damn tank in the game at that point) makes it feel comfortable.  And it earns a lot.

lbgsloan #4 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:11

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T34 is troublesome to balance because the T32 gun is such trash and WG won't buff it.  Give the T34 better handling and there's little reason to play the T32 over it in pubs IMO.  Compared to other premiums though it needs a buff.  The IS-3A gets similar firepower with better handling, DPM, armour, and mobility.  If they buff the Lowe, which WG claims they will in the near future, the T34 needs a buff as well.

Strike_Witch_Tomoko #5 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:16

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T34 is epic.  yes the gun handling and aim time is bleh.

but with smooth ride, snap shot,  the natural accuracy, pen,   and if you pre aim (aim at enemy while you in cover, and then poke while already aimed at them(lock on helps for this)   then you negate the aim time entirely.

 

and the recent buff to the upper plate (spaced armor)  means its been bouncing 175 pen 122mm guns surprisingly often (though the moment they load gold, its time to use the turret again)

 

 

in the game right now. T34 is fine.    though if the T26e5 really does get that armor, dpm, pen, and gun handling.....then T34 will be worthless immediately. as in no reason to bring it out of garage ever again

 



Tank_Pants #6 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:22

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View Postlbgsloan, on Oct 28 2016 - 15:11, said:

T34 is troublesome to balance because the T32 gun is such trash and WG won't buff it.  Give the T34 better handling and there's little reason to play it over the T32 in pubs IMO.  Compared to other premiums though it needs a buff.  The IS-3A gets similar firepower with better handling, DPM, armour, and mobility.  If they buff the Lowe, which WG claims they will in the near future, the T34 needs a buff as well.

 

'cept if they want to get to the e5

_Brew_ #7 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:31

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View Postperson_12, on Oct 28 2016 - 14:00, said:

 When it works, it's great. But when it doesn't, it sucks.

 

 

 

Sounds like every other tank in the game.



Harkonen_siegetank #8 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:37

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It's balanced enough. 

Wyvern2 #9 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 15:40

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Honestly, the T34 is perfectly fine. The only issue is that you never want to get caught out alone, since a lot of tanks can rush you and kill you with raw DPM. That said, it can sidescrape thanks to massive tracks, it can hull down and despite the gun handling, it's pretty accurate and can basically punch through everything except a handful of tier 9-10's with autoaim.

Contrary to what some others have said, it doesn't even need a buff vs other prems. Despite better dispersion values, both the IS-5 and IS-3A's otm accuracy are pretty comparable if not worse thanks to base accuracy, and they have a worse gun as far as pen goes, meaning you actually need to aim more, and the .11 accuracy difference is something you will feel, especially vs higher tiers or if you get stuck in a longer range engagement. Other than that, the lowe is the only tank with comparable pen, but the lowe is garbage in a lot of situations simply thanks to trash armor/armor layout, low alpha and really bad mobility. That's of course ignoring the fact that the T34 has 10 degrees of gun depression and a workable UFP, though not comparable to any tier 8+ IS series or even the Lowe, and a turret that's immune to just about everything short of tier 9-10 HEAT spam.

If they buffed it, I honestly wouldn't complain, but it really doesn't need it. With the exception of the IS-3, tier 8 is actually a tier of mostly well balanced heavies that all have their own strengths and weaknesses.


Edited by Wyvern2, Oct 28 2016 - 15:40.


KougerBMD #10 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 16:02

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I wish they would just buff the turret armor a little, for example make the entire space behind the mantlet actual armor instead of an empty space. At the edges of the mantlet it does meet the turret armor behind it which adds to the 279 mm of armor from the mantlet and make it impossible to pen, but at the center it's just the 279 mm. Maybe they could split those 279 mm between the turret armor and mantlet in that location, at least it would be effective against all the HEAT it meets. The cheeks are just trash, the T26E5 will have a much better turret compared to it, and it's not going to be sluggish like the T34.

 

If they changed it I would be fine with the bad DPM, sluggishness and stuff but right now everyone just spams premium ammo into your mantlet and have a great chance of penetrating it or the cheeks.


Edited by 9gagger, Oct 28 2016 - 16:05.


Explodo #11 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 16:07

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I actually enjoyed the T34 when it was a tier 9 because they recognized that it had no armor and gave it great dpm and handling. When they made it a premium they just took every stat and made it much worse.  I simply can't tolerate that everything it does is SOOO slow.  You have to play it hull-down and if that's not an option due to the map you have to play it as a bad sniper because your overall armor is terrible.  I agree that they need to buff it when they buff the Lowe.

1K1LLuDi3 #12 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 16:15

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Absolutely no carry potential due to sluggishness and low dpm. Also yesterday had my turret pened by Lowe 3 times, AP ammo (driven by 47%er driver too). But I guess great penetration value and nice alpha make up for its cons.

eXs11 #13 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 16:25

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I think the gun is fine because: 1) you gotta have SOME downside... with amazing pen a great alpha, good gun handling would just be way too OP and 2) your turret just lets you sit there and aim all day... I don't care that the aim time it that long... if you get penned hull down, you would've gotten penned even if aim time was 1 second because the person was either already zeroed in on you or they just got lucky... better gun handling is not gonna change that...

 

the issue I think is the mobility... I'm not saying that you gotta be IS3 level of mobile but in this day and age the mobility is painful... I understand what they were trying to get at when the tank was designed... lower hp/t seems to be a trend among all old school premiums and I understand why they did it... the thought is that prems should be a little worse in some areas than tech tree tanks and mobility was one of these areas... the issue is that it seems back in the day the mobility was lower but not SIGNIFICANTLY lower... if you were 10% slower than tech tree tanks, that's just something that you accepted as part of the package and it wasn't a big issue. Since that time, the new tanks left the old tanks in the dust. The game got faster. So now you aren't just a little slower than the old tanks, you are now slower than the old tanks who are in turn SIGNIFICANTLY slower than the new tanks. So now your mobility isn't just "a little worse", but is rather "complete dumpster fire" compared to the new meta...

 

You are actively out of position all the time... by the time you get that gun in the game, the match is often times already won or lost... I don't think this is a T34 issue... I think this is generally an issue of all older tanks being power creeped... they just don't keep up with the speed of the game anymore... T34, along with all other old school heavies need a speed buff to keep up with these new tanks that they are stamping out...



Hurk #14 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 19:07

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the headache with it, is that its a terrible heavy tank. but its a decent TD. 

SMBakerESQ #15 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 19:43

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Its certainly isn't overpowered.  The only reason it even makes money is that it doesn't need premium ammo. otherwise with that DPM and handling and slowness its tough to get off a bunch of shots.  The turret is nice, but with the gun handling you cant just pop over a ridge and snap shot someone.

 

It just needs help in a bunch a little areas, a little more dpm, say 4.4 rounds a minutes, a little less aim time, like 3.1 (they even buffed the KV4 aimtime, come on) a little less on the hidden stats as its .32/.32/.26 vs .26/.26/.16 for IS3a, 50 more HP so it would be same top speed but able to move around a little better (or better terrain resistances).  A few little changes would improve it a lot and make it fit better. 

 

Its still better than the Lowe though.



Hiroe #16 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 19:44

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i think it's about balanced. maybe a small buff here or there would be nice, but it's not necessary

Tankthief #17 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 19:53

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Long reloads and bad accuracy don´t match up well in any tank.

Slayer_Jesse #18 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 21:14

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I wish it got about a second reload buff. that low DPM is the main reason you can't carry in it.

ISNomads #19 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 22:17

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T34 is fine. I can stick a 75% crew in it for training purposes and I have no problems. You just need to play it correctly, just like any other vehicle.

Cruxdei #20 Posted Oct 28 2016 - 22:18

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t34 is fine,what needs a buff is the Slowe,at least a dmg buff to make it scary.





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