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BattleMaster8 #1 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 09:12

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So you're finally doing some balance changes, to premium vehicles specifically, and you ignore one of the most underpowered vehicles in the game? Good job.

saru_richard #2 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 09:15

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eh it only needs a pen buff tbh :/

Sturm_Teufel #3 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 09:21

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A little buff to the Panther M10 might nice but, what really needs a buff is the Panzer IV Schmall Turm. Either a good mobility buff or premium MM at least then.

Demonic_Angel_of_Death #4 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 09:58

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View Postsaru_richard, on Nov 10 2016 - 03:15, said:

eh it only needs a pen buff tbh :/

 

This... 

Firemoth #5 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 10:12

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View Postsaru_richard, on Nov 10 2016 - 18:15, said:

eh it only needs a pen buff tbh :/

 

i disagree. it really needs slightly more dpm, better top speed and better view range because the Vk3002m at tier 6 has all these benefits and is a tier lower.

Demonic_Angel_of_Death #6 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 10:34

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View PostFiremoth, on Nov 10 2016 - 04:12, said:

 

i disagree. it really needs slightly more dpm, better top speed and better view range because the Vk3002m at tier 6 has all these benefits and is a tier lower.

 

If I recall (Don't throw a fit if i'm wrong, im not the wiki) Pref MM tank's are supposed to be slightly inferior to their regular tiered counterparts, 

however seeing as how the Panther is already pretty mediocre at best, the 3002M takes everything it has to offer, and does it a tier lower, making it seem

like a better tank, which I wont lie, its not a bad tank for a German medium... however the P/M10 is supposed to be inferior to the Panther,

thus is suffers in the top speed area and DPM compared to it... the View range issue is somewhat of a legit one, as they removed the cupola from

the turret, which would lower the visibility... honestly the P/M10 isn't the greatest machine, but its not bad considering its normal tiered counterpart, the Panther

isn't much better... all it really needs is a pen buff for the L/70 so you're not mostly forced to spam away your profits on APCR...



madgiecool #7 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 10:37

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13 battles and you're complaining about what!!?!?!?

 

 

Grats on your 1st post.

 

 

:amazed:  - Wait!

 

Did you make an alt account just to post this?  



celiojedi #8 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 12:46

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View PostFiremoth, on Nov 10 2016 - 10:12, said:

 

i disagree. it really needs slightly more dpm, better top speed and better view range because the Vk3002m at tier 6 has all these benefits and is a tier lower.

 

No commander capola say something to you ??? no we will not give more view range for that thing, its good the way it is. 

TheBattleMaster8 #9 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 13:43

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View PostFiremoth, on Nov 10 2016 - 10:12, said:

 

i disagree. it really needs slightly more dpm, better top speed and better view range because the Vk3002m at tier 6 has all these benefits and is a tier lower.

 

I agree, it needs more dpm. It has the same gun as the E25 yet it fires 9 rounds or something slower? I know, the E25 is turretless and it's a TD, but come on, it's got loads of other stuff going for it that the Panther/M10 doesn't, it doesn't need a far greater DPM to boot.

 

View PostDemonic_Angel_of_Death, on Nov 10 2016 - 10:34, said:

 

If I recall (Don't throw a fit if i'm wrong, im not the wiki) Pref MM tank's are supposed to be slightly inferior to their regular tiered counterparts, 

however seeing as how the Panther is already pretty mediocre at best, the 3002M takes everything it has to offer, and does it a tier lower, making it seem

like a better tank, which I wont lie, its not a bad tank for a German medium... however the P/M10 is supposed to be inferior to the Panther,

thus is suffers in the top speed area and DPM compared to it... the View range issue is somewhat of a legit one, as they removed the cupola from

the turret, which would lower the visibility... honestly the P/M10 isn't the greatest machine, but its not bad considering its normal tiered counterpart, the Panther

isn't much better... all it really needs is a pen buff for the L/70 so you're not mostly forced to spam away your profits on APCR...

 

But at the same time these other premiums tanks are no doubt better than the Panther/M10, yet they're getting their buffs.

 

View Postmadgiecool, on Nov 10 2016 - 10:37, said:

13 battles and you're complaining about what!!?!?!?

 

 

Grats on your 1st post.

 

 

:amazed:  - Wait!

 

Did you make an alt account just to post this?  

 

Posted using the wrong account, I don't even want that pos lol

RECON_RANGER #10 Posted Nov 10 2016 - 18:05

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WG only has 5 guys still working on WOTs (not counting customer dis-service) and they can only balance 1 or 2 tanks a month.

Edited by RECON_RANGER, Nov 10 2016 - 18:07.


jamesdoz #11 Posted Nov 19 2016 - 23:39

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View PostRECON_RANGER, on Nov 10 2016 - 12:05, said:

 

 

 

 

WG only has 5 guys still working on WOTs (not counting customer dis-service) and they can only balance 1 or 2 tanks a month.

 

is this true and if so how do you know?

LosMuerto #12 Posted Nov 20 2016 - 16:38

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Panther M10 is OP af,

 

Fire  gold, and make  the credits rain.
Highest t7 med HP    pool,   has higher HP  pool than  T29. 
excellent acc, meh pen, and top notch ROF.
you just gotta learn  the way of the  spall liner + controlled impact. 
 



Cadre #13 Posted Nov 24 2016 - 21:13

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View PostLosMuerto, on Nov 20 2016 - 07:38, said:

Panther M10 is OP af,

 

Fire  gold, and make  the credits rain.
Highest t7 med HP    pool,   has higher HP  pool than  T29. 
excellent acc, meh pen, and top notch ROF.
you just gotta learn  the way of the  spall liner + controlled impact. 
 

 it's no way OP. It needs a buff of some sort.

 

Firing gold, it will lose more money then it makes. It's mediocre in the points you list, except hit points (which it needs since it can't poke and shoot well / no armor)



LosMuerto #14 Posted Nov 27 2016 - 19:48

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View PostCadre, on Nov 24 2016 - 14:13, said:

 it's no way OP. It needs a buff of some sort.

 

Firing gold, it will lose more money then it makes. It's mediocre in the points you list, except hit points (which it needs since it can't poke and shoot well / no armor)

 

its  pretty   op.

Cadre #15 Posted Dec 02 2016 - 21:31

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View PostLosMuerto, on Nov 27 2016 - 10:48, said:

 

its  pretty   op.

 

I wouldn't recommend this tank to anyone and got it on sale myself.

 

Saying it's OP would mean it needs a nerf, when everyone here agree's it needs some help.



JohnnyFargo #16 Posted Dec 02 2016 - 23:45

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OP, nope. It's fun with a 4 skill crew in it but as a crew trainer, it's kind of painful.

black_colt #17 Posted Dec 03 2016 - 20:31

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View PostSturm_Teufel, on Nov 10 2016 - 00:21, said:

A little buff to the Panther M10 might nice but, what really needs a buff is the Panzer IV Schmall Turm. Either a good mobility buff or premium MM at least then.

 

I think the following buffs to the Panzer IV Schmalturm would make it approximately equivilent to the AC 4 Experimental and the T-34-85 Rudy [which seem to be the be the best British Commonwealth and USSR equivalents]:

 

Increase the power to weight to between 12 and 14

Increase turret rotation [degrees per second] to between 35 and 40

Dispersion [turret traverse] to between and 0.14 and 0.12

 

 


Edited by black_colt, Dec 03 2016 - 20:32.


Vanatorr #18 Posted Dec 03 2016 - 20:45

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View Postsaru_richard, on Nov 10 2016 - 00:15, said:

eh it only needs a pen buff tbh :/

 

Yup, I'd be happy with just that tbh...though I would want more :sceptic:...

Edited by Vanatorr, Jan 27 2017 - 18:52.


black_colt #19 Posted Dec 03 2016 - 21:12

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View PostLosMuerto, on Nov 20 2016 - 07:38, said:

Panther M10 is OP af,

 

Fire  gold, and make  the credits rain.
Highest t7 med HP    pool,   has higher HP  pool than  T29. 
excellent acc, meh pen, and top notch ROF.
you just gotta learn  the way of the  spall liner + controlled impact. 
 

 

Actually the Panther/M10 does not look OP when compared to the VK 30.02 [D].

 

VK 30.02 [D] with the 88mm has better DPM than the Panther/M10, not bad base accuracy [0.36], better view range, and only has 50 HP less.

 

VK 30.02 [D] with the 75mm has better DPM than the Panther/M10, same accuracy, same shell cost, large ammo capacity, and only 50 HP less.

 

The VK 30.02 [D] has better turret armor, approximately the same hull armor, higher to power/weight ratio, better track traverse, less turret traverse, slightly better terrain resistances - so they seem almost equivalent except of credit and crew experience earnings.

 

Have not played enough to see the difference in credits and crew experience earned.  Would someone with that information kindly weigh in?

 

 



FrozenKemp #20 Posted Dec 04 2016 - 04:45

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I don't think they changed any tank below tier 8. 




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