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Flakker2 #1 Posted Aug 08 2011 - 19:34

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Overlord confirmed today that the T-10 will be the new Soviet Tier 9 heavy.

  

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Q: Overlord, Object 252 is in the revised tree. Why it is a premium also?

    A: It's the latest revision. T-10 will be placed as tier 9 heavy.
    August 8, 2011 4:35 PM

If the developers go by historic armor values, here is what we can expect:

  • 230 mm (front, upper glacis plate, piked)
  • 120 mm (sides and lower glacis plate)
  • 250 mm (turret front)
  • 100 mm (turret sides)
  • 25 mm (turret rear)
  • 80 mm (hull rear)

The top gun should be a new version of the 122mm available for the IS-3, with performance similar to the T34's 120mm.

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TigerHawk #2 Posted Aug 08 2011 - 19:47

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This tank was also the prototype for the IS-8. I thought they were going to call it that but I guess having the IS-8 come before the IS-7 would cause some confusion so they went with the prototype name.

Should be a pretty fast and mobile tank, as it comes between the IS-3 and IS-7. I am expecting maybe 40km/h speed or somewhere around there. Not saying you will ever actually REACH that speed unless you are going down hill, but a higher max theoretically would only be logical.

I would imagine they will nerf the front armor but leave the rest alone. 120mm side would bring it in line with the E-75 as it also has 120mm side armor, and is pretty mobile itself.

That side turret armor does worry me though, that is....pretty nasty, and the slope doesn't look too impressive. Could be another ammo rack on tracks for anyone who gets a side shot on it.

lostwingman #3 Posted Aug 08 2011 - 19:56

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Wasn't the T10 called the IS10 until Stalin died and they decided to get rid of using his name to identify tanks....also isn't it just a longer IS3?

Flakker2 #4 Posted Aug 08 2011 - 20:00

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View Postlostwingman, on Aug 08 2011 - 19:56, said:

Wasn't the T10 called the IS10 until Stalin died and they decided to get rid of using his name to identify tanks....also isn't it just a longer IS3?

Yes, in fact the upgraded turret for the IS-3 in game is labelled as T-10 :-) It is possible that it will be revised once the T-10 comes out.

KarateF22 #5 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 01:51

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25mm rear turret armor? wow that is terrible... Even t1 tanks could penetrate that.

TigerHawk #6 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 02:08

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View PostKarateF22, on Aug 09 2011 - 01:51, said:

25mm rear turret armor? wow that is terrible... Even t1 tanks could penetrate that.

Well keep in mind he says that is it's historical specs, they could be incorrect and/or Wargaming may not even use them and will buff them significantly.

Pumpkin #7 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 05:31

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25mm of rear turret armor makes this thing a rolling bomb, you will definitely need a wet ammo rack for it if they keep it accurate.

Tupinambis #8 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 05:34

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Apparently on the RU forums the in games specs for this guy may be something along the lines of
120mnm frontal armor
80mm side armor.
Considering how this would be on the IS-7 line these stats seem to make sense, even if they are completely inaccurate to real life.
Certainly if it really were given god-like armor it would be a huge anomoly in the IS-3 to IS-7 continuation.

Lapland #9 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 05:46

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Wait, is the 250mm front glacis plate the effective armor or the "thinnest" measurement?

Flakker2 #10 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 06:01

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View PostLapland, on Aug 09 2011 - 05:46, said:

Wait, is the 250mm front glacis plate the effective armor or the "thinnest" measurement?

230mm is the actual armor thickness, so effective will be much higher. The turret mantlet was listed as 250mm.

The T-10 was one of the best protected tanks of the period and it will be a shame if this is not translated well into the game.

The Soviets designed it to be very strong frontally, adequate on the sides and very weak in the rear, in order to keep the weight down and still have a strong frontal armor.

Earlier thread about it is here, before it was officially announced that it will be in game. http://forum.worldof...-10-heavy-tank/

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View PostFlakker2, on Aug 09 2011 - 06:01, said:

230mm is the actual armor thickness, so effective will be much higher. The turret mantlet was listed as 250mm.

The T-10 was one of the best protected tanks of the period and it will be a shame if this is not translated well into the game.

The Soviets designed it to be very strong frontally, adequate on the sides and very weak in the rear, in order to keep the weight down and still have a strong frontal armor.

Earlier thread about it is here, before it was officially announced that it will be in game. http://forum.worldof...-10-heavy-tank/

230mm? Good god, I can just see all the crying when the thing is actually fielded, even Tier 10 tanks and Tier 9 tank destroyers will have hard time penetrating it with gold rounds having a good chance of bouncing off. If anything, I'm sad for the IS-7 in that it's 150mm sloped armor versus 230mm sloped armor with only 30mm more armor on the sides. I'm surprised that they didn't decide to make it an side-grade tank as opposed to being directly apart of the Soviet "prow" line.

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so the line will go IS-8 > IS-4?

Am I the only one who finds that lulz/idiotic?



T-10 was going to be called IS-8 IIRC then Stalin died died

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View PostBrontoscorpio, on Aug 09 2011 - 06:17, said:

so the line will go IS-8 > IS-4?

Am I the only one who finds that lulz/idiotic?



No, the line will go IS-3 -> T-10 -> IS-7

jasta07 #14 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 08:24

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View PostBrontoscorpio, on Aug 09 2011 - 06:17, said:

so the line will go IS-8 > IS-4?

Am I the only one who finds that lulz/idiotic?



T-10 was going to be called IS-8 IIRC then Stalin died died


Russian tank model numbers (and lots of other nations for that matter - the Panther Ausf. 'A' is a good example) often don't follow logical progressions.

The numbers meant all sorts of different things (eg. the '34' in T-34 originally came (loosely) from the frontal armour thickness of the prototype, not the year 1934) and higher numbers aren't necessarily relevant to lower numbers. Also just because a tank was 'later' doesn't mean it was 'better'. For example the T-72 was a less advanced tank than the T-64 despite being produced later - it was built to be cheap for the export market.

The IS-10/T-10 was based off the IS-3 while the IS-4 and IS-7 were more directly related to the IS-2 so they're kinda parallel developments - cousins rather than descendants.

Kyoji #15 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 08:44

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I hope the replacement for the IS-4 is an actual heavy tank and not some pseudo- heavy/medium crap.

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I've been trying to find information on the T-10 for a while now, and for the life of me I get a whole slew of conflicting figures. On this board, we have both 120mm and 230mm of actual armor thickness for the upper glacis. Then sometimes I get these numbers:

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Armour: 230 mm (front)
120 mm (sides and upper front)
250 mm (turret mantlet)
100 mm (turret sides)
25 mm (turret rear)
20-80 mm (rest of hull)


I'm thinking that the 230mm is for the "thicker" part of the T-10's armor, while the 120mm is for the lower half of the upper glacis (or vice versa) as can be seen on the T-10's frontal view... either that, or 230mm is the effective sloped thickness and not actual (120mm at 60 deg does bring 240mm effective armor, which is close enough). Until I can find a good armor schematic for the IS-8/IS-9/T-10 though, I have no idea what number to believe. Although the devs usually list only the thickest part of the armor though on a particular side though (like the M36's '114mm' of armor that applies only to its lower part).

Edit: Woops... I thought the T-10 had a "thicker" upper glacis. Turns out it's just a flat plate on top of the armor fooling me.

The bad thing about trying to research Soviet heavies is that info on them doesn't come so easily ^^;;;

Edit 2: Found the following post on the EU forums, which also contain schematic drawings of the T-10 (no armor scheme though):

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No, there was never IS-10. IS-8 was redesigned as T-10 after Stalin croaked.

T-10 has same general armor layout as IS-3, but armor is 120/80/60. Not that much difference.

Initial T-10 turret was ~203mm LoS, T-10A got improved turret with ~252mm LoS near mantle area, and T-10M got ~252mm LoS on whole front turret.

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1st turret is original T-10, 2nd T-10A, 3rd T-10M.

Guns were 122mm D-25T, 122mm D-25TA (same ballistics as 122mm D-25 but fitted with automatic rammer, fume extractor and stabilisation) and 122mm M-62TS (960m/s, ~same performances as BL-9 in game).
Max speed was 50km/h, average 35-40km/h.

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Looks like a TD can turn head

NergiZed #18 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 15:00

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Oh, cool. So does this mean that people that currently have a IS-4 will get this for free?

W4lt3r #19 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 18:55

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View PostNergiZed, on Aug 09 2011 - 15:00, said:

Oh, cool. So does this mean that people that currently have a IS-4 will get this for free?
I hope not, you guys are already getting the IS-4 to T10 and all previous tanks before it unlocked and naturally have this one unlocked if you got you'r IS-7.

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View PostW4lt3r, on Aug 09 2011 - 18:55, said:

I hope not, you guys are already getting the IS-4 to T10 and all previous tanks before it unlocked and naturally have this one unlocked if you got you'r IS-7.
so your argument against it is - you're jealous so we can't have it? Alrighty.




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