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baltic1284 #41 Posted Aug 12 2011 - 04:33

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View PostTigerHawk, on Aug 12 2011 - 03:59, said:

I don't see a front driver slot weakness on that tank which is nice, but the lower glacias seems rather exposed, like the new E series tanks. Should be really easy to hit and penetrate there. The upper glacias seems modeled after the IS-7 design more than the IS-3 design. Much more rounded, I like that.

I don't really see any difference at all between that T-10M turret compared to the Mod T-10 the IS-3 uses....maybe the sides are angled a little more outwards to glance shots to the side rather than up and over.

Should be a good new tier 9. Hopefully.
The IS-8 or IS-10/T-10 was modeled after the IS-3 but with better improved armour for the time the angle of the front is no different than the IS-3M and the 2 turrets do look a like just one the IS-8 IS-10/T-10 is slightly bigger couse it was able to handle a 130mm gun but never was equiped with it

djuice1701 #42 Posted Aug 12 2011 - 04:45

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The main difference is that the front hull has been uparmoured from 110mm to 120mm, and turret which is significantly more armored compare to original IS-3 turret, thats where the extra 5 tons comes from.

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View Postdjuice1701, on Aug 12 2011 - 04:45, said:

The main difference is that the front hull has been uparmoured from 110mm to 120mm, and turret which is significantly more armored compare to original IS-3 turret, thats where the extra 5 tons comes from.
here si all the stats for it
Armament:       1 - 122mm D-25TA main gun
                           later 1 - 122mm M62T2 gun
                          1 - 14.5mm KPWT MG
                          1 -14.5mm KPWT AA MG
Armor:              250mm
Engine:            12 cyl., W12-5 diesel, 750 hp
Speed:             30 mph
Range:            108-168 miles
Crew:               4
Weight:            51.5 tons
Originally designated as the IS-8, this tank was a warmed over version of the IS-3 design. A heavier turret was added and a stamped belly plate in a shallow V shape. Two major revisions were made to the IS-8 before production began in 1953 as the T-10. Although equipped with a vertical gun stabilizer, the tank could not engage targets on the move. In 1957 the T-10M was introduced with a new engine, V-12 SB and a new gun, 122mm M62T2 with a distinctive multi-baffle muzzle brake. However, rate of fire was only 2-3 rounds/min. It was the standard heavy tank of the Soviets in the 1950s and 1960s. Slow and short range, they were never popular with the Commanders. All were removed from service in the late 1970s and were scrapped in 1993. Nearly all are gone. A total of 8,000 were produced.
this is how the armour was layed out

Armour, turret side  110 mm  
Armour, turret rear  100 mm  
Armour, turret roof  30 mm  
Armour, hull glacis  120 mm  
Armour, hull side  95 mm  
Armour, hull rear  60 mm  
Armour, hull top  30mm
Armour, hull bottom  30 mm

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View Postbaltic1284, on Aug 12 2011 - 04:58, said:

here si all the stats for it
Armament:       1 - 122mm D-25TA main gun
                           later 1 - 122mm M62T2 gun
                          1 - 14.5mm KPWT MG
                          1 -14.5mm KPWT AA MG
Armor:              250mm
Engine:            12 cyl., W12-5 diesel, 750 hp
Speed:             30 mph
Range:            108-168 miles
Crew:               4
Weight:            51.5 tons
Originally designated as the IS-8, this tank was a warmed over version of the IS-3 design. A heavier turret was added and a stamped belly plate in a shallow V shape. Two major revisions were made to the IS-8 before production began in 1953 as the T-10. Although equipped with a vertical gun stabilizer, the tank could not engage targets on the move. In 1957 the T-10M was introduced with a new engine, V-12 SB and a new gun, 122mm M62T2 with a distinctive multi-baffle muzzle brake. However, rate of fire was only 2-3 rounds/min. It was the standard heavy tank of the Soviets in the 1950s and 1960s. Slow and short range, they were never popular with the Commanders. All were removed from service in the late 1970s and were scrapped in 1993. Nearly all are gone. A total of 8,000 were produced.
this is how the armour was layed out

Armour, turret side  110 mm  
Armour, turret rear  100 mm  
Armour, turret roof  30 mm  
Armour, hull glacis  120 mm  
Armour, hull side  95 mm  
Armour, hull rear  60 mm  
Armour, hull top  30mm
Armour, hull bottom  30 mm

Sounds terribly crappy for a tier 9. The gun will prolly be nice, but the armor........looks extremely lacking.

Also you mention turret side ear and roof but not the front? That's what we really care about.

But yeah basically if you aren't facing directly at your enemy, or are taking fire from multiple targets(and you will as a tier 9) the armor is worthless. The gun better be extremely rapid fire to get as many shots off as you can before you die, just like the T34.

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Look at my previous post, the front hull is sloped @ 58-60 degrees, giving it 226-240mm effect thickness

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woops. Mod feel free to delete this.

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View Postdjuice1701, on Aug 12 2011 - 07:28, said:

Look at my previous post, the front hull is sloped @ 58-60 degrees, giving it 226-240mm effect thickness
front hull have double slope - ~55degr+45 degr.

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I don't really see any difference at all between that T-10M turret compared to the Mod T-10 the IS-3 uses....maybe the sides are angled a little more outwards to glance shots to the side rather than up and over.
- armour thickness is main difference + small other internal changes.
I think that this tank will be same as the IS-3 - good turret armour and so-so hull armour.

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sorry got the wrong facts lol this is the armour for the T-10 heavy tank
          T-10 Heavy tank                  
Weight: 52 tons                                                            
Length: 9,96/6,75 m                  
Length: 10,6/7,04 m                    
Height: 2,43 m
Width: 3,57 m
Armor: 20-250 mm
Gun: 122 mm
Engine: 12/520 kW
Speed: 42 km/h
Range: 250 km
Crew: 4

          IS-3
Weight: 46-49 tons
Length: 9,96/6,75 m
Width: 3,2 m
Height: 2,93 m
Armour: 60-230 mm
Gun: 122 mm
Engine: 12/520 hps
Speed: 40 km/h
Crew: 4
Range: 150 km

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Q: Will T-10 have weaker armor than IS-4 now has?
A: Roughly - 120/80/60 (front, sides, rear in mm of armor).

Johnpanzer96 #50 Posted Aug 15 2011 - 05:08

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the weaker side and rear armor will only mean, no more wrecklacely charging in like the IS-4 does now. Seriously all an IS4 had to do do become indestructable to tier 9 guns is angle so that both the front and side armor is impenetrable. Seriously, a 105 from an L/68 bouncing repeteadly off the side of an IS4 just because he "angled" it

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View PostxGear, on Aug 14 2011 - 17:41, said:

Q: Will T-10 have weaker armor than IS-4 now has?
A: Roughly - 120/80/60 (front, sides, rear in mm of armor).

You got the source of this?

I find it kind of strange for it to have lower armor than the IS-3...it has 90mm side, which is actually pretty nice. Angled in the "tiger maneuver"(while your front faces a high priority target) was pretty good at bouncing the short 88 most of the time until you finished off the priority target and turned to face them.

So.....if the T-10 doesn't get the S-70 it better get a really rapid firing high pen/damage gun like the T34 cause from the armor stats it doesn't look like it going to capable of staying in a firefight for very long at tier 9. In fact I think the S-70 on that kind of armor would be kind of crappy. The Slower RoF would mean you could only get off two or three shots at most before you got splattered from not getting any bounces. The front'll prolly be fine vs tier 7 guns but vs enemy tier 8s & 9s I doubt it is going to bounce much of anything, especially considering tier 8 guns(BL-9 etc) can punch through the front of the IS-7 pretty easily and that is 150mm with the same design...

The gun they are giving it better be more effective than the German 12.8cm cause the E-75 has some sexy 120mm side/rear armor and is really effective. 80mm is just......useless at tier 9. Like the T34 you'll just be swamped by crappy Shermans and VK3 series and poked full of holes while a slow firing S-70 could only kill one MAYBE two before they took you out.

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The upper side armor (superstructure) is angled @ roughly 20 degrees...


The gun will probably be similar to the BL-9 in Pen and Damage, maybe slightly more penetration (240~), but with 6-6.5 RPM...

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View Postdjuice1701, on Aug 15 2011 - 07:47, said:

The upper side armor (superstructure) is angled @ roughly 20 degrees...


The gun will probably be similar to the BL-9 in Pen and Damage, maybe slightly more penetration (240~), but with 6-6.5 RPM...

That wouldn't be too bad. If it is going to be lightly armored and maneuverable with a gun similar to the US 120mm it could be pretty fun to play. Some people like slow lumbering fortresses like what the KV-4/ST-1/IS-4 are gonna be and others like fast moving fast firing things, the T-10(if equipped with a gun like that) should fit the bill nicely.

I hope it gets more HP(fully upgraded) than the IS-4 currently gets though. What a joke, 1790 hp? There are tier 8s with almost as much, and the rest of the tier 9s have up to 200hp more. Even the tier 9 E-50, a medium, has more HP than a tier 9 heavy lol. The IS-3 has the least HP at tier 8 though so I guess we can expect the same at tier 9 from this thing....

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View PostTigerHawk, on Aug 15 2011 - 07:14, said:

You got the source of this?

That was from one of Overlord's Answers in the Q&A. You can read it in this week's Newsletter.

120/80/60 isn't so much of an upgrade over the IS-3's 110/90/60 but so much as different: the IS-3 does have slightly thicker side armor, but the IS-8/T-10 will have better frontal protection enhanced by its compound armor angles, which would make the T-10 a better "breakthrough" tank. The IS-3/T-10/IS-7 line is meant to be the fast-movers of the tree afterall, in contrast to the KV-4/ST-1/IS-4 line that will be the armored behemoths of the Soviet Heavy Tank tree.

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View PostTigerHawk, on Aug 15 2011 - 08:34, said:

That wouldn't be too bad. If it is going to be lightly armored and maneuverable with a gun similar to the US 120mm it could be pretty fun to play. Some people like slow lumbering fortresses like what the KV-4/ST-1/IS-4 are gonna be and others like fast moving fast firing things, the T-10(if equipped with a gun like that) should fit the bill nicely.

I hope it gets more HP(fully upgraded) than the IS-4 currently gets though. What a joke, 1790 hp? There are tier 8s with almost as much, and the rest of the tier 9s have up to 200hp more. Even the tier 9 E-50, a medium, has more HP than a tier 9 heavy lol. The IS-3 has the least HP at tier 8 though so I guess we can expect the same at tier 9 from this thing....
Yeah, something is wrong with that HP ting.

This new T10 seems to have weak armor hull and open rear, and a weak gun? BL9 is not good for Tier 9.

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View PostBORN2DRIVE, on Aug 15 2011 - 13:24, said:

Yeah, something is wrong with that HP ting.

This new T10 seems to have weak armor hull and open rear, and a weak gun? BL9 is not good for Tier 9.
Well it won't be using the BL-9, I mean it might come with it as stock or be an upgrade, but I'm pretty sure the top cannon will have more than 225 average penetration. It might have the same or slightly more damage(like the 400 of the US 120) but the pen is obviously going to be higher. As it is 225 average already reliably bounces from the front of the IS-3 and KT. I even get some REALLY annoying bounces off the front hull of T32s when the dice keeps rolling on the low end for me.

With these armor stats though unless it gets a REALLY nice gun(to complete the whole glass-cannon feel) this is going to be terribly outclassed by the E-75. People will use the tier 10s for clan wars but when they get all frozen and have to switch to 9s they are probably all going to use E-75s and maybe the new ST-1(if it has good armor) and prolly not touch the T-10 lol

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I really wish they would stop making Russian tanks play like mediums with fast reload. I REALLY dislike fast reload as it pushes me into danger more frequently than I want to be. The only way I wouldn't mind it is if I get BS armor like the E-75.

baltic1284 #58 Posted Aug 15 2011 - 19:21

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For me it would be nice too see the armour boubled from the IS-3. The IS-3 was to become the Medium BAttle Tank of its time and the IS-8 also nown as hte IS-10/T10 was to be the Heavy BAttle Tank. The IS-8 also the IS-10/T-10 had twice the armour as the IS-3. It was the most armoured and the safest tank to be in during the early Cold war before MBT 9Main BAttle Tanks) where made.

johncage #59 Posted Aug 15 2011 - 19:29

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you realize that painting is of the is 3 right?

baltic1284 #60 Posted Aug 15 2011 - 19:32

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yes it is but the IS-8 and the IS-10 are direct serevitives of the IS-3 and that the IS-8 had a extra set of road wheels and the IS-10 a extra pair of road wheels for the extra weight it carried.




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