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oldiowaguy #41 Posted Jan 03 2017 - 15:10

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View PostNonamanadus, on Jan 02 2017 - 10:11, said:

For some this is a hobby, people churn money through casinos or build model aircraft than smash on their maiden flight. It's called entertainment and that's what people pay for (go buy a NHL game ticket or one for a Superbowl game and see how much that runs you).

 

Technically speaking everything you experience is turned into electrical impulses in your brain, it doesn't matter if the stimuli is solid matter or photons.

 

 

Been there, done that! Spent well over $100 on a electric ducted fan powered F-117 only to have a servo lock and meet the ground again at 60 mph on it's maiden flight!:(  At least here I can enjoy the tanks I buy over and over again.



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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 02 2017 - 20:33, said:

 

its not self-righteous because the negative aspects of p2w wallet warrior gaming effect everyone, even people that don't play WoT, since they are making so much money that every major developer wants to copy their model.   WoT wouldn't have so many horrible glaring balance issues if WG didn't allow greed to trump gameplay.   Really boggles the mind why some of these kids think this  $60 virtual tank wallet warrior crap is acceptable when some of the most profitable F2P games operate on selling cosmetic items alone, or paying any amount of money for a cash exclusive tank.  Absolutely disgusting.  Yes, I have the moral high ground and a right to condemn what effects me and what I view as the cancer of videogames.

 

Why are you here? I mean really why are you here if you distain WG and it's marketing model? How I choose to spend my free time and money is none of your business nor do I give a rats [edited]what you think is right or your holier than thou self-righteous attitude. 

frumpylumps #43 Posted Jan 03 2017 - 15:38

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View PostSMScannonfodder, on Jan 03 2017 - 15:26, said:

 

Why are you here? I mean really why are you here if you distain WG and it's marketing model? How I choose to spend my free time and money is none of your business nor do I give a rats [edited]what you think is right or your holier than thou self-righteous attitude. 

 

it is my business because it ultimately effects me and the games I play.     You really can't comprehend that?   I have a problem with the monitization model, not the marketing model.   Do try to understand the meanings of the words you  are using before you use them.  No wonder you throw money at your videogame problems.  People like you are wargamings bread and butter.

 

The game happens have mechanics that I find to be fun but I would certainly be playing something else if I had an alternative.

 

 


Edited by frumpylumps, Jan 03 2017 - 15:40.


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View PostSMScannonfodder, on Jan 03 2017 - 14:26, said:

 

Why are you here? I mean really why are you here if you distain WG and it's marketing model? How I choose to spend my free time and money is none of your business nor do I give a rats [edited]what you think is right or your holier than thou self-righteous attitude. 

 Because he's a Troll, nothing more, nothing less.



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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 03 2017 - 06:55, said:

 

people who are irresponsible with their money are the main part of the problem.  These are the same selfish type of people who keeps black market organ stealer/dealers, elephant poachers, violent drug dealers and crack houses in business..  They don't care about anything or anyone else but their own petty personal gain. 

 

 

So,on the black market organ exchange, does a Premium Tier IV equal a kidney and a Tier VIII equal a liver?  I'd like to know to make sure I'm not getting ripped off when I have orphaned crack babies murdered for their internals so that I can continue to be irresponsible and spend money when I feel like it.



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View Postrufus374, on Jan 03 2017 - 15:43, said:

 

So,on the black market organ exchange, does a Premium Tier IV equal a kidney and a Tier VIII equal a liver?  I'd like to know to make sure I'm not getting ripped off when I have orphaned crack babies murdered for their internals so that I can continue to be irresponsible and spend money when I feel like it.

 

Hey, its your money.  You should be able to do whatever you want with it, right?  It doesn't matter that it ultimately effects people in negative ways.

 

Do you see how dumb that line of thinking  is yet? 

 

Oh, I know!  Just get ridiculous. That will help you prove your point even better. :rolleyes:



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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 03 2017 - 09:59, said:

 

Hey, its your money.  You should be able to do whatever you want with it, right?  It doesn't matter that it ultimately effects people in negative ways.

 

Do you see how dumb that line of thinking  is yet? 

 

Oh, I know!  Just get ridiculous. That will help you prove your point even better. :rolleyes:

 

First off, I must admit that your position seems completely nonsensical to me.  I don't honestly believe that my activities regarding this game truly harms anyone.  Are some annoyed that there are those that spend money and, as a result, Wargaming releases products targeted at those players?  I guess the answer is yes.

 

Now, did I take my last comment to a ridiculous place?  Of course I did!  But, in the interest of full disclosure, you are the one who equated supporting Wargaming with people who support "black market organ stealer/dealers, elephant poachers, violent drug dealers and crack houses", so the journey to get there was pretty short.  I wasn't trying to prove any point other than to highlight the excessively absurd nature of your statements.



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View Postrufus374, on Jan 03 2017 - 17:18, said:

First off, I must admit that your position seems completely nonsensical to me.

 

, you are the one who equated supporting Wargaming with people who support "black market organ stealer/dealers, elephant poachers, violent drug dealers and crack houses", so the journey to get there was pretty short.  I wasn't trying to prove any point other than to highlight the excessively absurd nature of your statements.

 

Wrong.  I was using that as an example why "its my money, I should be able to spend it however I want" is a completely selfish and thoughtless mentality.  

 

Its pretty sad that you can't understand such a simple concept.

 

No wonder you feel the need to throw money at your video game problems.


Edited by frumpylumps, Jan 03 2017 - 17:35.


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I have nothing better to do than be utterly ridiculous, so I'll enjoy this for the entertainment value as long as it lasts.  On a serious note, I sincerely hope that there are real world endeavors that you pursue with the same fervor and determination that you display here.

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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 02 2017 - 10:16, said:

its funny that so many  of these wallet warrior kids think paying $60 for a virtual tank is some kind of good deal.

 

the Kool aid around here seems to come with a chemical lobotomy.

 

i laughed

 

 



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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 03 2017 - 19:59, said:

 

Hey, its your money.  You should be able to do whatever you want with it, right?  It doesn't matter that it ultimately effects people in negative ways.

 

Do you see how dumb that line of thinking  is yet? 

 

Oh, I know!  Just get ridiculous. That will help you prove your point even better. :rolleyes:

 

Please tell me how to spend the money that I earn.

 

When you get a job and actually get some money you too can spend it on whatever you desire.

 

In fact you better give some back to your mother as basement rent.

 

#Whiningwelfareplayer



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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 03 2017 - 16:27, said:

 

Wrong.  I was using that as an example why "its my money, I should be able to spend it however I want" is a completely selfish and thoughtless mentality.  

 

Its pretty sad that you can't understand such a simple concept.

 

No wonder you feel the need to throw money at your video game problems.

 

I might sympathize with your position if it was relating to anything of consequence in life. But, since we are talking about how spending money on one video game affects the way people have to spend money on other video games, I really couldn't care less. First world problems. Don't like the model, don't participate. Or better yet, flex some of that supposed moral fiber and stop wasting your money on frivolous pursuits like video games and other idle entertainment. There are plenty of causes out there that would love for you to walk the walk and donate your disposable income to any of a number of them that have a real and meaningful impact on the lives and well-being of real, actual people. Your quibbles about how Wargaming is corrupting the gaming industry are tiresome and without merit.

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View PostDrewthesteelman, on Jan 02 2017 - 08:50, said:

Very tempting to get 3 tanks for that price and play the heck out of them :-) 

 

we have enough potatoes with less than 2k battles clogging up high tiers where they don't belong. 

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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 02 2017 - 13:58, said:

 

All of them rentals, bought with tourny gold or won in a contest or marathon.

 

I didn't pay cash for any virtual tanks because doing so would mean I that was supporting wallet warrior gaming.  I have integrity and refuse to support crap no matter how much fun I might have dominating people in overpowered premium tanks like Patriot and Skorpion G.  It is not about having money or not like some want to pretend.

 

I wouldn't call a 51.23% win rate "dominating" but okay. Above average or great, sure. Dominating, nah.

 

And as another poster mentioned, 30000 battles in this game. I'm fine with you not putting any money in but you can't complain because 30k games at, lets say, 5 minutes average per battle. You spent 3 months time IN THE GAME. I think time is more valuable than money. You could have traveled abroad, traveled outside of your parent's basement, or even trolled other forums!



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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 03 2017 - 07:38, said:

 

it is my business because it ultimately effects me and the games I play.     You really can't comprehend that?   I have a problem with the monetization* model, not the marketing model.   Do try to understand the meanings of the words you  are using before you use them.  No wonder you throw money at your videogame problems.  People like you are wargamings bread and butter.

 

The game happens have mechanics that I find to be fun but I would certainly be playing something else if I had an alternative.

 

 

 

 

Can't find any alternatives?  I did a simple Google search and immediately can help you find something else.  Best PC Games of 2017 link: http://www.pcmag.com/article/344190/

 

Oh dang, I think someone has to have money to play them.  Sorry


 

Monetization*  Please don't bash someone about how they use a word if you can't spell it right back to them.



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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 03 2017 - 18:38, said:

 

it is my business because it ultimately effects me and the games I play.     You really can't comprehend that?   I have a problem with the monitization model, not the marketing model.   Do try to understand the meanings of the words you  are using before you use them.  No wonder you throw money at your videogame problems.  People like you are wargamings bread and butter.

 

The game happens have mechanics that I find to be fun but I would certainly be playing something else if I had some money.

 

 

 

FTFY.



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Very much overdue from me, but a big thanks to Indy for taking the time to give us the original post with valued information.  Sorry for helping hijack the thread, but I was bored and Frumps is fun to troll.  Is it wrong that I'm sad he's not replying right now?

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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 03 2017 - 06:38, said:

 

it is my business because it ultimately effects me and the games I play.     You really can't comprehend that?   I have a problem with the monitization model, not the marketing model.   Do try to understand the meanings of the words you  are using before you use them.  No wonder you throw money at your videogame problems.  People like you are wargamings bread and butter.

 

The game happens have mechanics that I find to be fun but I would certainly be playing something else if I had an alternative.

 

 

 

I don't and here's why.   How many Premium AAA Traditional game titles continue to add

content to a game for years?  None.  The amount of content found in WoT currently is on Par

with Gran Turismo 1 in terms of vehicles.  It certainly has more environments then GT1.  Now

I want you to think about how the franchises grew for a second....

 

GT1: 140 unique Cars with Different variants (I remember it being 300+ cars)

Tracks: 11

Gt2:  650 Cars including variants

Tracks: 27

Gt3:  180 Cars including variants

Tracks: 34

GT4:  721 Cars including Varients (Pal Version used as reference according to Wikipedia)

Tracks:  51

GT5:  246 Premium and 840 Standard cars.

Tracks: 73

GT:6   388 Premium and 838 Standard cars.

Tracks: 100

 

Please note that each Base game would cost on average through the years $60.  This does

not include spinoffs released in the US.  Also GT5 and 6 charge per car.  How much I don't

know, but I feel the investment meets the same amount of money I've dumped into this game

for that content.  But let's forget about the DLC for a second.  For over 15 years, you

invested into each release at launch $60.  THAT'S $360 TOTAL!  This does not include DLC.

Game development can be expensive, although nowadays most of the budget goes to

marketing. 

 

So if everyone spent that kind of money to fund continuous development on a game, then it

would be cool.  However in WoT it's not.  It's imbalanced where people spend whole lot of

money to welfare your butt.  I'd like to spend $20 (even happier with less) on premium tier 8

Heavy Tank, but it's not happening.  The price points people want don't match up with the

reality that there are going to be cheapos who don't want to pay a single cent.  If there's

one thing WG should try to solve, it's making attractive price points to sell more tanks but

still not hurt the bottom line.



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View Postfrumpylumps, on Jan 02 2017 - 15:55, said:

 

yea, and I can also think of 1000 better things to do with $60 than buying virtual tanks off the top of my head. .  Its really pretty pathetic the lack of imagination some of these wallet warriors have.

 

Wargaming caters to the dumbest of gamers because those are the ones most easily parted with their money.

 

and I can think of 1000 better things to do with your time than complaining about how other people spend their money on a virtual forum.


 

​shouldn't you be out picking up your welfare check or something?

 

 



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View PostSergeant_Lee, on Jan 03 2017 - 17:05, said:

 

I wouldn't call a 51.23% win rate "dominating" but okay. Above average or great, sure. Dominating, nah.

 

And as another poster mentioned, 30000 battles in this game. I'm fine with you not putting any money in but you can't complain because 30k games at, lets say, 5 minutes average per battle. You spent 3 months time IN THE GAME. I think time is more valuable than money. You could have traveled abroad, traveled outside of your parent's basement, or even trolled other forums!

 

​ikr, he thinks he's some sort of justice crusader for suffering through the game as a f2p player. I did that back in college when I had no money and it was horrible, never again. But even the I could afford an occasional steam sale, logged a lot of hours in New Vegas, you get a lot of mileage out of a game like that. And I saved up a bit to get a Super Persh on sale, the cheapest t8 prem at the time. What I'm getting at is, dude sure has a lot of free time to be that broke. Hell you can do amazon turk for a few hours a day and still have enough money for a prem tank pretty soon.




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