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biggb45s #41 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:08

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No thanks the game is already saturated with autoloaders as it is. They don't need buffs. 

Sp00kyScaryKitKat__o7o7 #42 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:09

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Just give it one more clip and it'll be fine. 

Sergeant_Lee #43 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:27

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Wish I could downvote..

Markd73 #44 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:30

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View PostAn_Innocent_Bystander, on Jan 04 2017 - 12:18, said:

I think your gameplay needs a buff first. Then come back. The BC is fine how it is, it simply has a skill floor.

 

View PostPREM_SHELL, on Jan 04 2017 - 12:21, said:

 

Honest opinions only, go and bore off!

 

Seemed pretty honest to me.

Markd73 #45 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:31

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View PostPREM_SHELL, on Jan 04 2017 - 12:36, said:

 

You know what im trying to achieve with this post so just p*ss off and nause someone else.

 

Stop being so thin skinned and listen, instead of sperging on people who disagree with you.

Markd73 #46 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:35

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View PostPREM_SHELL, on Jan 04 2017 - 12:45, said:

 

No, you are making a point of view about my skill base not about the tanks themselves, which IS THE SCOPE OF THE POST.  Go away!

 

No he is right and you are incorrect. The Batchat has a skill floor, and it acts like a reverse force multiplier if you are crap.

 

I suck in the Bat because I am bad, and this is my fault not the fault of the tank. You will never be taken seriously or get any better if you continue to sperg instead of listen to honest criticism. 

 

Ad Hominem rebuttal in 3..2....


Edited by Markd73, Jan 04 2017 - 16:35.


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View Postbiggb45s, on Jan 04 2017 - 10:08, said:

No thanks the game is already saturated with autoloaders as it is. They don't need buffs. 

 

Such negativity towards autoloaders shows a callousness to their primary weaknesses, which are quite large and very exploitable. 

 

  • Don't do anything alone against an autoloader, ever. They'll pop out and clip you out.
  • Don't poke out unnecessarily
  • Don't expose drive sprockets, it's their favorite food! 
  • Do wait until they've clipped and then plant some shots into them
  • Don't let them draw you into their TD's and camping tanks, they love that...
  • Don't drive in front of them sideways. Shouldn't have to say it, but yeah.
  • Do target their ammo racks. 45 seconds up to 70 seconds for a reload? Heck yeah!
  • Do hit them in the hull. Engines, crew, looks what an AP shell can do!
  • Do track them, usually they have less HP. 
  • Don't drive out in open areas where they can snipe at you.
  • Don't push into another tank you know they are supporting. They'll wait until you fire, then dump a clip into you.

 

To do well in an autoloader, you have to do the opposite of these things. 

 

  • Do find isolated tanks and clip them out, especially late game
  • Don't push over and onto a tank unless you know it's alone or you can clip out both of them.
  • Do pull tanks back into friendly fire while reloading. 
  • If you have 1 shell left and don't have a good target, reloading isn't a terrible idea. 4-5 is better than 1. 
  • Get used to spending most of the time reloading. In highly mobile autoloaders, use the reload to relocate. 
  • Take up sniping positions and hit their sides and modules. Purposefully hit racks, tracks, and engines so they can't get away. 
  • If you can't finish them off, stop them where someone else will get a free shot.
  • Wait until they shoot at a friendly, then run out and clip them
  • Stay alive! You're most deadly late game when you can finish off tanks with 1-2 shots. You're excellent at "cleaning up" low healths and scooping up kills. Dead tanks can't shoot back.
  • Don't trade shots. You're pretty fragile, so play support and try not to burn repair kits. 
  • Don't sit there repairing tracks, repair and jet away!


An_Innocent_Bystander #48 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:37

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Maybe we are being a bit unfair here. Perhaps the BC should have 10 shells in the clip, 0.5 seconds she'll delay, better armor than the Maus, 150kph top speed, 60hp/t, and 5000hp. Oh and the reload for the whole clip is a balanced 10 seconds.

Or perhaps it's a tank that takes skill just how it is.

Edited by An_Innocent_Bystander, Jan 04 2017 - 16:38.


Kinson02 #49 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:42

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Have a look at some real data and then make your comments. Based on WR (Overall), the chat ranks 5th. and does not need a buff.

 

Tier 10 MTs

# Tank Nation Battles (recent) WR (recent) Player WR (recent) OP Rating OP Rating (Bad) OP Rating (Good) Battles WR (Overall)
1 STB-1 JP 140k 56.5% 58.2% 556 409 575 508k 56.4%
2 M60 US 12k 58.4% 61.7% 605 427 614 212k 56.3%
3 Object 430 SU 50k 54.5% 57.7% 533 394 555 159k 54.8%
4 Object 140 SU 636k 55.2% 56.7% 547 418 572 3,990k 54.1%
5 Bat Chatillon 25 t FR 1,390k 54.8% 55.5% 553 413 589 30,226k 54.0%
6 M48A1 US 192k 53.3% 56.2% 538 433 566 3,817k 52.9%
7 E-50 Ausf. M DE 439k 53.9% 55.5% 545 449 573 6,006k 52.6%
8 Leopard 1 DE 245k 53.5% 56.5% 528 400 553 2,737k 52.6%
9 T62A SU 799k 53.5% 55.6% 533 410 563 15,494k 52.5%
10 121 CN 156k 52.0% 55.7% 515 407 545 1,773k 51.7%
11 FV4202 GB 90k 51.6% 55.8% 514 436 546 1,148k 51.5%


destroyerdude2003 #50 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 16:55

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just learn to get up close to your enemies use your mobility to get to the weak points of your enemies and unleash 2k damage then get away its easy to play if you know what your doing no buff needed

 



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A bad worksmen blames it on his tools and not himself so please work on scouting on your reloads the wrecking with the clip and load vents Vstab and optics makes a good scout sniper and all around beast of a tank

 



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I haven't got to the batchats yet (I'm getting close), but correct me if I'm wrong. the BCs playstyle is an extension of how the 13 90 plays. little ammo, inaccurate, decent pen and burst potential and decent speed, right? 

one would think that having had to go through the 13 90 and the T9 BC (meaning you'd need to get at least 500k exp to get to T10)  you'd sort of get some idea of the strengths and limitations (though how to carry it out in practice is another thing). If you hate the BC, chances are you hated hte 13 90 and the T9 BC. if so why keep going on?



Rude_Awakening #53 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 17:11

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Batchat 25t is arguably the best tier 10 tank. To suggest it isn't simply implies a lack of understanding of the game. 

commander42 #54 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 17:22

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View PostPREM_SHELL, on Jan 04 2017 - 07:12, said:

This tank seriously needs a buff in relation to other tier 10 meds.

 

It has been power crept by other meds and left out, especially having 1 round taken out of the clip.

 

I mainly compare this to Russian meds, like the Obj.140 T-62A etc.  They all have better armour (turret), aim time, dpm, similar speed whereas the Bat has an appalling reload time between clips.  An horrendous 2.73 seconds between shells, worse aim time and no armour what so ever (which I dont expect anyway)

 

I'd sooner prefer the Czech meds as they have a quicker clip reload time and have the gun depression.  Facing an Obj.140 he managed to get 3-4 rounds off at me in the same time I emptied my clip of 5 (bare in mind I had a longer aim time than him and had to wait longer to fire) plus the advantage he doesn't have a clip reload.  What's the point.  The inter-clip reload is far too long.  Even relocating you still have to wait for the clip to reload when in position.

 

IMO the tank needs a combination of a 6-clip mag or faster inter-clip reload.

 

Honest opinions?

 

 

 

maybe instead of the BC(its been regarded as one of the very best tier 10s for a long time) needing a buff, you really just showed what many of us knew already, the obj and t62 need a nerf

Radonis #55 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 17:27

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Buff bat chat LOL OP good joke i think you need a buff to your player skills.

CelticArchangel #56 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 17:32

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View PostPREM_SHELL, on Jan 04 2017 - 07:21, said:

 

Honest opinions only, go and bore off!

 

You asked, you received. That's his honesty. Take it or don't post in the forums.

saboslobo #57 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 17:32

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Before we go buffing Bat Chats, we need to first buff the really weak tanks at tier 10, like the E5. This will make gameplay more enjoyable.

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Bc 25t could use an accuracy buff.  Beside that... other kinds of buffs would arguably make the tank way too strong.

Extraordinaire #59 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 17:51

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My opinion, it is an extremely lethal tank when played right. You can't sit still at 200 meters and 1 vs 1 a 140. You need to play the tank to it's strengths. It jumps into a fight, dumps it's clip and disappears. Typically on a reloading tank or a tank that is already distracted, caught out.

 

It plays just like all of it's predecessors, up close and personal, then run. It needs no buff.



biggb45s #60 Posted Jan 04 2017 - 20:22

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View Postblackfalconjc, on Jan 04 2017 - 15:36, said:

 

Such negativity towards autoloaders shows a callousness to their primary weaknesses, which are quite large and very exploitable. 

 

  • Don't do anything alone against an autoloader, ever. They'll pop out and clip you out.
  • Don't poke out unnecessarily
  • Don't expose drive sprockets, it's their favorite food! 
  • Do wait until they've clipped and then plant some shots into them
  • Don't let them draw you into their TD's and camping tanks, they love that...
  • Don't drive in front of them sideways. Shouldn't have to say it, but yeah.
  • Do target their ammo racks. 45 seconds up to 70 seconds for a reload? Heck yeah!
  • Do hit them in the hull. Engines, crew, looks what an AP shell can do!
  • Do track them, usually they have less HP. 
  • Don't drive out in open areas where they can snipe at you.
  • Don't push into another tank you know they are supporting. They'll wait until you fire, then dump a clip into you.

 

To do well in an autoloader, you have to do the opposite of these things. 

 

  • Do find isolated tanks and clip them out, especially late game
  • Don't push over and onto a tank unless you know it's alone or you can clip out both of them.
  • Do pull tanks back into friendly fire while reloading. 
  • If you have 1 shell left and don't have a good target, reloading isn't a terrible idea. 4-5 is better than 1. 
  • Get used to spending most of the time reloading. In highly mobile autoloaders, use the reload to relocate. 
  • Take up sniping positions and hit their sides and modules. Purposefully hit racks, tracks, and engines so they can't get away. 
  • If you can't finish them off, stop them where someone else will get a free shot.
  • Wait until they shoot at a friendly, then run out and clip them
  • Stay alive! You're most deadly late game when you can finish off tanks with 1-2 shots. You're excellent at "cleaning up" low healths and scooping up kills. Dead tanks can't shoot back.
  • Don't trade shots. You're pretty fragile, so play support and try not to burn repair kits. 
  • Don't sit there repairing tracks, repair and jet away!

So I'm driving around with my tank with full HP and a "autoloader" "clips me for 3/4 or more of my HP and you think they should be buffed to clip me from full hp to death with one mag. Meanwhile I shoot you twice and barely take half your hp. While you run off and hide and reload. 






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