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lamplight #21 Posted Jan 26 2017 - 00:56

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View PostVanatorr, on Jan 25 2017 - 23:39, said:

It's not overpowered, just powerful...

 

No, actually, it's seriously overpowered. Second globally in DPG among TDs, second in KPG and second in winrate, always just behind the top tier Swede that's both even more broken and has a tiny sample size. 

 

Debate it all you like, the numbers are so comically against your point you're just going to make a fool of yourself. 



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View Postlamplight, on Jan 25 2017 - 18:56, said:

 

No, actually, it's seriously overpowered. Second globally in DPG among TDs, second in KPG and second in winrate, always just behind the top tier Swede that's both even more broken and has a tiny sample size. 

 

Debate it all you like, the numbers are so comically against your point you're just going to make a fool of yourself. 

 

where did you find these numbers as I wanna look at other tanks' stats

lamplight #23 Posted Jan 26 2017 - 01:01

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View PostMetagross555, on Jan 25 2017 - 23:59, said:

 

where did you find these numbers as I wanna look at other tanks' stats

 

I'm using Vbaddict



CanOfTomatoes #24 Posted Jan 26 2017 - 01:04

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View PostMetagross555, on Jan 25 2017 - 17:53, said:

wut, a [edited] could shoot it anywhere and it will die, given that it actually gets spotted, and 60 kph top speed is ridiculous

 

 

I like your 614 recent WN8, and um, 4/5 of my most played tanks are tier 10

 

Curious what relevance has my win rate got to do with the fact you don't own a Grille and the E-25 is your best TD stats in your garage? Second where did you get your drawers in an uproar over the FACT you dont own one and the E-25 is your primary stat TD in ur arsenal? Last I don't give a damn about your stats or mine or anyone else so your offense is in your own mind and set of values in the game.

 

Point being YOU NEVER PLAYED it in your Tier X experience so for you to say nerf it to the ground is based on what first hand info that your Win Rate and tier X vast experience granted you this wealth of knowledge????...you got wreaked by some?



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View PostCanOfTomatoes, on Jan 26 2017 - 00:04, said:

 

Curious what relevance has my win rate got to do with the fact you don't own a Grille and the E-25 is your best TD stats in your garage? Second where did you get your drawers in an uproar over the FACT you dont own one and the E-25 is your primary stat TD in ur arsenal? Last I don't give a damn about your stats or mine or anyone else so your offense is in your own mind and set of values in the game.

 

Point being YOU NEVER PLAYED it in your Tier X experience so for you to say nerf it to the ground is based on what first hand info that your Win Rate and tier X vast experience granted you this wealth of knowledge????...you got wreaked by some?

 

Hi I drive a Grille it's overpowered thanks please move along nothing to see here

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View PostCanOfTomatoes, on Jan 25 2017 - 19:04, said:

 

win rate

 

Point being YOU NEVER PLAYED it in your Tier X experience so for you to say nerf it to the ground is based on what first hand info that your Win Rate and tier X vast experience granted you this wealth of knowledge????...you got wreaked by some?

 

WN8

 

I think you're saying the tank is bad because of your 897 avg. dmg. and 42% winrate in it, which is terrible btw.

 

I don't understand why my E-25 stats matter, and when my Strv 103B stats are about the same with about the same number of battles


Edited by Metagross555, Jan 26 2017 - 01:11.


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Wow, this wasn't meant to be a "bash-players-win-rate-and-skill" competition, sheesh! First off, the Grille 15 IS powerful. No doubt about it. But over-powered? I wouldn't go that far. It has pathetic tissue-paper armor, VERY slow traverse speed, turret only turns part-way, TERRIBLE dispersion on the move/turret traverse(that's why the quick aim time), and its camo is non-existent. Let's look at its strengths. It has great accuracy, second best in the game, great aim time, great shell velocity, and a high, top-speed. To me that seems pretty great. I don't know why the fact that its the second best TD that it needs a nerf. Then some other TD will become the second-best, and then I guess we'll have to nerf that one to, won't we? I have never come across an enemy Grille 15 and been like, "Oh my dang gosh, a Grille! What will I do?! That overpowered piece of German machinery is going to kill me, oh my gosh!!!" No, I just shoot the living daylights out of its pathetic armor. I mean, the thing is like the first tank spotted and destroyed by arty for crying out loud! I don't understand you guys. Second-best TD on some third-party website, and now we need to nerf it?! What the hey people?!

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They could nerf the E5 at the same time cause its OP tier X . Oh Wait. ... its an muricain so its ok! Yeah right.

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It is going to suck after the nerf, you know it is. Please tell me honestly that you think the Grille 15 will be good after the announced nerfs to it...

Vanatorr #30 Posted Jan 26 2017 - 01:23

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View PostBADGED_Qc, on Jan 25 2017 - 16:22, said:

They could nerf the E5 at the same time cause its OP tier X . Oh Wait. ... its an muricain so its ok! Yeah right.

 

​Um, actually they are nerfing it, so that point you just tried to make is irrelevant...

CanOfTomatoes #31 Posted Jan 26 2017 - 01:27

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View Postlamplight, on Jan 25 2017 - 17:56, said:

 

No, actually, it's seriously overpowered. Second globally in DPG among TDs, second in KPG and second in winrate, always just behind the top tier Swede that's both even more broken and has a tiny sample size. 

 

Debate it all you like, the numbers are so comically against your point you're just going to make a fool of yourself. 

 

So you remove it and then what stat man? Another TD takes its place as number 2. Then what...replace it or nerf it? Then another TD takes its place..so on and so on... ridiculous logic... Now please refer to your stat chart and look at the difference between 1, 2 and good old number three waiting to be number 2 or even dare we say it number one if the nerf bat keeps hitting..the gap between them...1,2,3,4...

 

Grille is 10th in penetration rate

Grille is 5th in damage per kill ahead of it are 110E3, 110E4 and the Ojt 268

Grille is 5th in accuracy 110E4 and 110E3 and Foch are better

Grille is 5th in kills per match

Grille is 10th in damage ratio

Grille is 5th in damage per kill

Grille is 5th in Win 8 by the way the UD which you said was limited data is the second most battles at plus 300K grille is at 500K+ thats NOT limited data spin doctor

Grille is 5th in accuracy.....

 

Wont go on but it sure looks like we got two or three BETTER nerf bat TD candidates non Prem...the E-25 by the way leads or is right in the mix on the top five TDs in the game.

 

 

 



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Third party Web site said IS7 to be worst winrate of all!!! They gonna buff the thing cause ..You know!

CanOfTomatoes #33 Posted Jan 26 2017 - 01:36

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View PostMetagross555, on Jan 25 2017 - 18:08, said:

 

WN8

 

I think you're saying the tank is bad because of your 897 avg. dmg. and 42% winrate in it, which is terrible btw.

 

I don't understand why my E-25 stats matter, and when my Strv 103B stats are about the same with about the same number of battles

 

You dont think and try to toss the stat card out as my experience and didnt bother to actually read. You limited eye sight beyond your attempts to shame and name me on stats as a reason is your own ignorance and limited view point...go to Vbaddict AS I DID and show me where its OPd...it ranks in top five..will rank lower soon as the Swede TDs take over. It isnt grossly ahead or behind its competition on any level...facts sir NOT STAT RATE OPINION.

 

Your Win Rate in a Grille is ZERO>>>NOTHING NADA NOT ZIP...but your win rate in the E-25 is what a real OPd..seal clubber looks for when padding stats...it a reference point for your total LACK of playing time in a Grille.

 

So based on your ZERO time in a Grille i think your opinion of it being OPd is totally base less, and invalid since my opinion is based on my limited success playing it according to you...LOGIC sir you said it..now live with it....playing time skewed my opinion...NO PLAYING TIME AND ZERO SUCCESS IN IT CERTAINLY HAS TO SKEW YOURS THANKS. But please refer to the seal clubbing E-25 stat padding machine for a reference point on your behalf.


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View PostCanOfTomatoes, on Jan 25 2017 - 19:27, said:

 

So you remove it and then what stat man? Another TD takes its place as number 2. Then what...replace it or nerf it? Then another TD takes its place..so on and so on... ridiculous logic... Now please refer to your stat chart and look at the difference between 1, 2 and good old number three waiting to be number 2 or even dare we say it number one if the nerf bat keeps hitting..the gap between them...1,2,3,4...

 

Grille is 10th in penetration rate

Grille is 5th in damage per kill ahead of it are 110E3, 110E4 and the Ojt 268

Grille is 5th in accuracy 110E4 and 110E3 and Foch are better

Grille is 5th in kills per match

Grille is 10th in damage ratio

Grille is 5th in damage per kill

Grille is 5th in Win 8 by the way the UD which you said was limited data is the second most battles at plus 300K grille is at 500K+ thats NOT limited data spin doctor

Grille is 5th in accuracy.....

 

Wont go on but it sure looks like we got two or three BETTER nerf bat TD candidates non Prem...the E-25 by the way leads or is right in the mix on the top five TDs in the game.

It's actually the exact opposite. The more battles a tank has, maintaining a certain level of reported stats is an indicated it's outperforming it's contemporaries.

 

1. Grille is 2nd in damage ratio, being beaten out by the massive difference Strv due to having better drivers playing it. That'll drop. You'll notice that the next closest is the Death Barn, for obvious reasons (stupid af alpha).

 

2. Grille is 2nd in damage dealt, the only tank beating it again being the Strv. For the same reason as above. The next tank with significant battles reported in the larger alpha Jageroo. A trend continues.

 

3. The same can be said for WN8 efficiency, being only beaten by tanks with less overall battles reported but still maintaining a healthy place on the list.

 

4. You have to look at the practical side of the Grille compared to other TD's. It does 750 alpha on a platform that can flex all around the map, unlike tanks like the E3 or Jageroo. It's small and can also abuse terrain with it's excellent depression to make shots against it hard to land, unlike tanks like the Foch or Death Barn. Finally, it's hyper accurate despite the larger disperson bloom on traverse and movement, so it's easier to pop shots off and scoot. Unlike tanks like the 268 and Death Star.

 

The lack of armor is really a marginal thing. You're not going to rely on armor up against other tier 10's all that often. Speed and mobility are far more useful and the Grille can just do too many things better than it's counterparts.

 

 



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First Rule of WoT: Germans can't have an OP tank.

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at least give it better cammo... i dont agree with a nerf either , but its cammo rating is crap

 



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I think the reload increase is okay. I think it should be 17.15 seconds, not 18. All the other nerfs are garbage and have no business being there in the first place imho...

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ok, another tank for sale. First they nerf the wte100 from 6 to 5 bullets... then remove the tank from the game... now nerf the grille... 

cant believe.



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Nerfing the grille and the T110E5, WG, WHY YOU DO DIS TO MEEEEEEE

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Bring on the nerfbat!  




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