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RushingJaws #1 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 08:56

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Some of you newer players may not know of this tank due to it being removed from the game/premium shop with 9.7’s premium tank retirement plan. Some of you older players might remember how fun it can be. The FCM 36 Pak 40 is, in a nutshell, one of those high risk/high reward tank destroyers that sacrifice everything for view range and a good gun. However, it would be misleading to say the vehicle currently represents that dynamic properly.

 

Mobility

 

The FCM is based off of the FCM 36 french “light” tank, a tier II that has more similarities to heavy tanks than lights. The Pak 40 utilizes the stock engine (Berliet MDP/91 HP) of the FCM 36, which was installed on at least same FCM 36’s during WWII. However, some brief research I’ve done shows that the FCM 36 is also given the Berliet Ricardo (105HP) engine as well. Which is represented by the top engine in game for the light tank.

 

Suggestion:

  • Give the FCM 36 Pak 40 the Berliet-Ricardo engine, slightly improving it’s p/w ratio to match the FCM 36.
  • Improve the terrain resistances to just under FCM 36 levels, Hard = 1.11, Medium = 1.33, Soft = 2.89. Due to being slightly heavier, it shouldn't get quite the same terrain resistances.
 

As I mentioned earlier, the FCM 36 Pak 40 is suppose to be a high risk/high reward tank. It does mount an excellent gun, accurate and quick aiming, with a good enough APCR round for tier 5 HT’s. Further, it’s one of the few tank destroyers to maintain it’s 400m view range after the Great TD Nerf, giving it a powerful advantage when stationary and camouflaged in.

 

However, in practice the incredible view range is not so stellar and the gun’s strengths are often not able to influence a game. The tight gun arc forces the vehicle to constantly turn, sacrificing any bonus from binocs and a net. Very rarely will you be in position to exploit the tanks few strengths. Either due to your teammates outstripping support or the tank’s own lack of speed in exploiting advantages on the map.

 

In many ways, it reminds me of how the T28 Prototype and T28 play. Though that it lacks armor means the tank suffers from all guns at tier.

 

A small engine buff is nothing more than a QOL improvement on an older vehicle. I don’t believe a small increase in mobility will make the tank suddenly stronger than contemporaries.

 

TL;DR: Only French Premium Tank Destroyer is slow as balls and should be made to match the tier II French FCM 36 light tank, which is less slow as balls.

 

Post Script: Because I know someone is going to say “play higher tiers”, I just had to throw this out there after a crew training session with the tank. I would if there was a higher tier French Premium TD available. There isn’t, so my options are to either grind a better crew in the UE 57 or this thing. :P

 

Also, I believe in balancing tanks to better match it's opponents at all tiers. Not just VIII-X's.



driesp #2 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 09:05

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play higher tiers German TD's :D

 

Seriously though, I agree with you, that tank is slow as anything which is why I rarely play it.



Demonic_Angel_of_Death #3 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 09:09

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Sooooooooooo buff the mobility of my tank that can see halfway across the map while others can barely see a quarter of the way, getting me in the long range fight faster...

 

 

You have my vote...



Cutthroatlemur #4 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 09:11

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The FCM 46 Pak 40 is a little monster.  My very first game in it (years ago) I got an M badge and 10 kills.  Almost retired it after 1 battle.  I play it very rarely but I took it out last month and had a great game.  Yeah it's slow...evolution moves faster...but that gun!

PapercutOfDeath #5 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 09:29

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Still have the little bastard in the garage and his big brother the S35 CA which I just finished playing in a match. Jacked up five heavy's and a medium not paying any attention to who was behind our heavy's blowing big holes in them got a High Caliber out of it. I was also the bottom tier and  the ONLY tier V on my team. Anyways love both those weird looking pc of junk French TDs,

Edited by CanOfTomatoes, Jan 31 2017 - 09:29.


RushingJaws #6 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 10:46

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View PostDemonic_Angel_of_Death, on Jan 31 2017 - 03:09, said:

Sooooooooooo buff the mobility of my tank that can see halfway across the map while others can barely see a quarter of the way, getting me in the long range fight faster...

 

 

You have my vote...

 

Excessive exaggeration. 

 

If it's top tier, sure, it'll beat out all tanks in view range but it's not "quarter of the way". A properly set up T-15 will out spot a FCM and has the advantage. Other lights at that tier, with the right equipment and a good crew, are almost as dangerous. At tier IV, there is almost no advantage. At tier V, the danger of being lit and one shot is massive so doing your own spotting requires excessive care that the tank struggles with.

 

All of this great spotting is in a tank that goes 20-22 on flat ground. Funny, all I suggest is that it goes just a bit slower than an FCM 36 and have better terrain climbing ability. I don't want it zooming around like a UE 57. :P


Edited by RushingJaws, Jan 31 2017 - 14:09.


Scorpiany #7 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 12:09

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All depends on the map. On a map like Mittengard or Mines, you're in serious trouble. On something like Prokhorovka on the other hand, you're a beast. All depends...

Vava_das_SPGs #8 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 12:15

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FCM36 pak40 is OP as hell, and you want it to be more OP?
Nope. It's already balanced as it is.

ClutchPin #9 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 12:45

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Sigh I miss the old FCM  on the map Providence. Such a seal clubber.

TLWiz #10 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 13:04

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I capped with my FCM 36 PaK40 once. That was a long game.  It is more than fine as is, no need to buff mobility. That would be like giving the Pz IIJ a better gun.

stalkervision #11 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 13:15

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No need to buff mobility ? That is the funniest thing I have read in years. It can't even use high test gas for petes sakes :facepalm:

 

my little french premium arty is far faster and can use high test fuel and that is slug slow.



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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... buff the Pak 40... so funny.

stalkervision #13 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 13:28

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View PostPreddy_, on Jan 31 2017 - 07:20, said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... buff the Pak 40... so funny.

 

to the easily amused.

stalkervision #14 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 13:31

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even a slight mobility buff would be much appreciated. I hardly play mine anymore because it mobility is slower then a snail.

 

 



Metagross555 #15 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 13:59

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Um, no, the tank is fine, GIT GUD

RushingJaws #16 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 14:09

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This is rather entertaining. I'm convinced some of you aren't even reading, just reacting.

 

All I suggest is a very small buff by giving it the same tier II engine as the FCM 36 and lowering some of it's resistances, though still keeping it higher than the FCM 36 itself. It's still going to be slower than the FCM 36. While it'll pass Renault R35, the Renault FT, Vickers Medium Mark 1, and Pz38H in terms of power to weight ratio, it'll still have the worst set of terrain resistances in that group so it'll still struggle. Top speed is not changing.

 

In short, it'll be marginally better at driving up hills and getting from place to place on flat ground. Marginally. The actual difference would be barely noticeable unless you put the Pak 40 beside an FCM 36. Nothing more than a minor quality of life buff using a bit of common sense.

 

But yeah, keep the opinions flowing. It's great.



Bavor #17 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 14:19

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View PostRushingJaws, on Jan 31 2017 - 02:56, said:

TL;DR: Only French Premium Tank Destroyer is slow as balls and should be made to match the tier II French FCM 36 light tank, which is less slow as balls.

 

Post Script: Because I know someone is going to say “play higher tiers”, I just had to throw this out there after a crew training session with the tank. I would if there was a higher tier French Premium TD available. There isn’t, so my options are to either grind a better crew in the UE 57 or this thing. :P

 

This is just another example of Wargaming not thinking as usual.  Wargaming could have made the M4A1 Revalorisé a tier 8 French TD.  Instead it ended up being a sub par tier 8 medium that needed multiple buffs to not be awful.



Remus892 #18 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 15:41

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looked at the Lego FCM 36 Pak 40  closely it has a mg34 on it . the Germans use it to. needs  a German camo option.

stalkervision #19 Posted Jan 31 2017 - 17:11

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View PostMetagross555, on Jan 31 2017 - 07:59, said:

Um, no, the tank is fine, GIT GUD

 

"um no" , your TWO old tired cliches will not make the td one bit more mobile and are just plain silly in this context.

 

no matter if you sweep the map it's still painful to use

 

Please aquire a word and phrase a day book



DarkDaddy #20 Posted Feb 03 2017 - 13:50

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Suggested changes are not needed but would not hurt.  It can do well but is odd to play. It needs long fire corridors to be effective, WG wants zoom-zoom play.   I have suggested moving to tier IV with minor adjustments.  Frankly, I would increase view ranges of open-top vehicles in general.  The tend to be soft targets.
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