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9.17.1 nerfing AMX 13 75 even more... It needs buffs, not nerfs!


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Poll: Is AMX 13 75 underpowered? (26 members have cast votes)

Was AMX 13 75 underpowered before the future patch 9.17.1?

  1. Yes (17 votes [54.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.84%

  2. No (5 votes [16.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.13%

  3. VERY yes (9 votes [29.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.03%

Will AMX 13 75 be underpowered in the future update in 9.17.1?(Details below)

  1. Yes (18 votes [58.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.06%

  2. No (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

  3. VERY yes (10 votes [32.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.26%

Does the AMX 13 75 need a buff?

  1. Yes (16 votes [51.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.61%

  2. No (5 votes [16.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.13%

  3. VERY yes (10 votes [32.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.26%

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cheese020408 #1 Posted Feb 02 2017 - 11:23

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Before the future patch 9.17.1, AMX 13 75 was considered barabrically underpowered, due to only slightly better mobility, view range, while having same 144mm AP penetration a tier higher, in a tier 7 LT (meets tier 10s). The only real upside was the increased DPM by lowering clip reload time and 300HP increase. However, the future 9.17.1 patch is going to reduce the clip size from 6 to 4, and reducing clip reload time from 15.66 to 14. What this does is that it reduces the current DPM (1894dmg/min) to 1670. AMX 13 75 was barely playable before the future patch because it had 6 shells, and could criple enemy tanks effectively, although it had to resort to APCR ammuntion. After this patch, it would have only 4 shots, meaning it has 540 dmg potential, not the 810 it had before. So now, AMX 13 75 has no upsides, except camo values and view range, meaning it now has to resort to passive scouting only, and could not protect itself. I do know that this is subject to change, but what I really want to say is that it should get a buff regardless of this update. Also, I believe that tier 7 LT in general will be nerfed by lowering their pentration values significantly. (Watch this for further explanation)

That is not all. AMX 13 90, (which I know has been overpowered for a long time,) will be nerfed in similar ways by reducing clip size form 6 to 4. I think that this patch is a major nerf to all french light tanks in general, not just AMX 13 75.

So by now I think that you wiil agree that the AMX 13 75 is underpowered and needs a buff. Also, before you guys check my stats and say that i have not played the AMX 13 75 before, I have played AMX 12t quite a lot, and in it, being a tier lower, still needs a lot of APCR (I take 18 AP and 12 APCR), and I can't believe playing this in tier 8-10. And I am worried about this because I will like to get to the Bat Chat 25t, and I will have to grind through the AMX 13 75. (Not a lot of exp left, just about 12k exp left till I get AMX 13 75). So, this need a MAJOR buffs!

TL;DR : AMX 13 75 will getting a nerf in 9.17.1, and needs a buff in general!


Edited by cheese020408, Feb 02 2017 - 11:26.


_wikkid #2 Posted Feb 02 2017 - 11:32

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I hate to do it, but let me pull out my crystal ball, so I can see how the changes affect the tank...

uberdice #3 Posted Feb 02 2017 - 11:45

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AMX 13 90 is overpowered? That's news. It doesn't get much play outside of organised play as it is because of how inflexible it is compared to other top tier LTs. Reducing the magazine size and reload time would likely actually help it, since it won't spend as much time exposed, and won't give enemy tanks quite as huge a window of time to do their own thing as it does now.

 

You're also forgetting that with the LT matchmaking changes, 13 75 won't be facing tier 10s anymore.



Takatsume #4 Posted Feb 02 2017 - 12:07

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My understanding was that the light tank changes in supertest are related to the upcoming tier 10 lights and that we won't see any of these changes with this patch.  The only tech tree changes that have been announced are for the new German heavies.  Like Uberdice said, when we do see these changes light tanks will also be getting standard matchmaking, so what appears to be a nerf might be a slight buff.  I will have to wait until I have tested the changes to come to any conclusions.

 

 

I also have no issues with either the 13 90 or 13 75.  I do better with either of those than my other light tanks.



Firemoth #5 Posted Feb 02 2017 - 13:07

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View Postcheese020408, on Feb 02 2017 - 20:23, said:

 

. AMX 13 90, (which I know has been overpowered for a long time,)

 

1390 is overpowered on paper, where its potential clip dmg is amazing. in practice the howitzer like gun handling means you are lucky to hit 4/6 unless you are shooting at point blank range

 

also, removing LT MM means the 1375 can actually be top tier now and farm tier 5 and 6's


Edited by Firemoth, Feb 02 2017 - 13:09.


Southern_Comfort #6 Posted Feb 02 2017 - 13:35

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At least I got done grinding that hunk of crap! I would sell it but I want to use the credits to get the AMX 1390 next, it sure is not a keeper even for collectors!

_Gungrave_ #7 Posted Feb 02 2017 - 16:48

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I'm not complaining lol, finished all LTs ages ago so eventually I'll buy them back and I won't have to worry about 90% of the nerfs and best part is I don't have to grind the tanks being added at tier 7 and 8 except for the WZ-132 and I think one other tier 8 LT which is no problem.

 

I will say its gonna be strange after the LT patch to see on tracks for scouts and I'm sure que times during those are gonna be an absolute ████ during peak hours lol.


Edited by _Gungrave_, Feb 02 2017 - 16:49.


Earl_of_Sandwich #8 Posted Feb 17 2017 - 14:54

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View Postuberdice, on Feb 02 2017 - 10:45, said:

Reducing the magazine size and reload time would likely actually help it, since it won't spend as much time exposed, and won't give enemy tanks quite as huge a window of time to do their own thing as it does now.

 

They are only reducing the clip reload by 8 seconds, a 20% decrease, for a 33% decrease in clip potential. Thats a nerf if Ive ever seen one. Also, the light tanks may be loosing scout mm but they are also being pushed up a tier, so the 13-75 will still see tier 10 tanks.


Edited by Earl_of_Sandwich, Feb 17 2017 - 14:55.


Waphlez #9 Posted Feb 17 2017 - 16:37

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View PostFiremoth, on Feb 02 2017 - 07:07, said:

 

1390 is overpowered on paper, where its potential clip dmg is amazing. in practice the howitzer like gun handling means you are lucky to hit 4/6 unless you are shooting at point blank range

 

also, removing LT MM means the 1375 can actually be top tier now and farm tier 5 and 6's

 

I've only recently got the AMX 13 90 but I learned that loading full APCR is really the only way to use the gun effectively.

ArcticTankHunter #10 Posted Feb 18 2017 - 06:19

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Hate to say it but, Autoloaders are broken at the start of the game as there is teammates blocking prevent autoloaders from being chased. You barely see a 1 v 1 scenario where autoloaders getting chased down unless their team sucks. Even then the LT autoloaders are just too fast to be chased down. I'm fine with less clip per shot. But, I have to think they are actually planning to remove the 3 tier MM for LT as it has been planned to add tier 10 LT. When that happens AMX 13 75 would be fine.

The autoloader they don't have is the FV107 Scimitar Prototype. Would love to see it face off against Batchats.

 

Please WG add these. I want to trade my crusader for one of these tanks.

 

Quote: "In 1966, the Army devised a new specification for a Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance (Tracked) or CVR(T). In 1967, after plans were submitted by the manufacturers, Alvis was chosen to produce a 30 vehicle prototypes preserie. The latter were called P1 to P17 and delivered on schedule and budget, these were sent to be tested at home, and then aborad, in the most severe conditions, in Norway, Canada but also Abu Dhabi and Australia. After corrections by the manufacturers, the Scoprion was accepted for service in may 1970 and ordered to 275, then 313 units to Alvis Vehicles Ltd at Coventry. The first rolled of the line in early 1972. Only 1500 would equipped the British army, while around 1500 more were built for the export market and were (or are still) in service with twenty-one more countries."

 

http://www.tanks-enc...is_Scorpion.php


Edited by ArcticTankHunter, Feb 18 2017 - 06:24.


ArcticTankHunter #11 Posted Feb 18 2017 - 06:31

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View PostEarl_of_Sandwich, on Feb 17 2017 - 14:54, said:

 

They are only reducing the clip reload by 8 seconds, a 20% decrease, for a 33% decrease in clip potential. Thats a nerf if Ive ever seen one. Also, the light tanks may be loosing scout mm but they are also being pushed up a tier, so the 13-75 will still see tier 10 tanks.

 

13 75 should not deserve a push. It uses 75mm gun. I think they should just make Batchat from medium to LT as they are already fast enough.

If anything they can add the 105mm version, an up gunned version as tier 9.

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/CN-105-57


Edited by ArcticTankHunter, Feb 18 2017 - 06:32.


CrazyCnk #12 Posted May 19 2017 - 12:33

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I currently have a 32% win rate in this tank after more than 135 games.  The majority after the 9.18 update.  I play it reasonably well.  I currently have an xTE of 37.  I regularly get over 1000 damage points in games, but I just can't win.  I play other lights and get a much better win rate.

 

The only reason I continue to play this tank is to prove to myself just that this game has real problems and the hope that the B-C 12t is better.  If I get similar stats with the B-C 12t i'll just stop playing the line until it is fixed.

 

Bottom line is something is broken.






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