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Petition - Reskin or Remove the Pz.Kpfw. VII (Clone of VK 72.01 K)

Pz.Kpfw. VII VK 72.01 K Petition removal reskin petition VK 72.01 (K)

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Poll: Petition - Reskin or Remove the Pz.Kpfw. VII (Clone of VK 72.01 K) (55 members have cast votes)

Should the Pz.Kpfw. VII be removed/ reskinned/ modified?

  1. Yes (17 votes [30.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.91%

  2. No (38 votes [69.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.09%

Do you think it is ethical to introduce the Pz.Kpfw. VII with the EXACT model as the VK 72.01 (K) [other than a new gun]

  1. Yes (37 votes [67.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 67.27%

  2. No (18 votes [32.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.73%

Did you buy a 'Black' premium tank when you already own a normal version of those?

  1. Yes (5 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  2. No (50 votes [90.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 90.91%

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sahmlockhart #1 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 03:54

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- The newly introduced Pz.Kpfw. VII will replace the Maus for the researchable Tier X after the VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B.

- This vehicle has the EXACT same textural model (down to the dents, scratches, mud splashes on the model).

- It also has the same collision (armor) model as the current VK 72.01 (K).

                Pz.Kpfw. VII: http://beta.tanks.gg...zkpfw-vii/model

                VK 72.01 (L): http://beta.tanks.gg...vk-7201-k/model

 

Do you think it's fair to the player who worked very hard to earn the VK 72.01 (K)?

Do you think it's ethically fair for those who have to be proven by fame points rather than mindless grind?

What if all your premium vehicles could be normally researched via the Tech Tree, how does that make you feel?

 

 



Gravtech #2 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 03:56

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I agree, or at least just give everyone who wasted a campaign to get the VK 72.01 the copy paste Pz.Kpfw. VII. You choose the tank because it's unique, and did WG declare that this copy cat was going in the game like a few days after everyone chose their tanks? They couldn't just tell everyone before we chose

saru_richard #3 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 03:58

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the Pz VII does not have a 15 cm that the VK 72 has, but  it has a better 12.8 cm than the Muas.... so its a semi-clone....

 

 

(ya sue me but i had to say it)



Tivis7 #4 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 04:18

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Thank you for forming this Sahm, I very well appreciate it. I am also very interested in what people have to say about this as this has to be seen from both sides.

Demonic_Angel_of_Death #5 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 04:20

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This is what happens when you introduce a tank 3 times, when there were only 2 variants, and one is already at tier 8 (The Lowe)

WG couldn't go with the Pz Kp fw IX, or Pz Kp fw X?... I know they are propaganda drawings, but still... they're different...


Edited by Demonic_Angel_of_Death, Feb 04 2017 - 04:21.


Omega_Weapon #6 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 04:21

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No more vehicles restricted for a small minority of the player base. Enough with the elitist BS. Just make all vehicles available to all players.

Fuzums #7 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 04:50

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I get people are upset about a tank they earned turning into a reward but really, they aren't the EXACT same tanks. 

I think WG expected such a complaint to happen which is why they changed the barrel and the exception that the VK 72.01 (K) is considered a prenium tank earning more and better DPM then the Pz.Kpfw. VII.

 

All I see is senseless ranting, and thats exactly what your youtube video is even labeled. If you want to get empathy I suggest you make some useful ideas such as increased credit earnings on the VK 72.01 (K), slightly increased traverse speed or something. Its most likely not going to be removed if thats what you are hoping for unless a large amount of players complain about its toxicity.

 

TDLR; unless you find another rear mounted turret variation, the VK 72.01 (K) stays.

 



SexyPotato #8 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 04:55

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I am a bit confused exactly how are they the same tank isnt the 72.01 like another pointed out a premium tank with better cred and xp potential?? Seriously, what is exactly the issue here? The benefits of having the premium over a tech tree tank is already special is it not? 

Buttknuckle #9 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 05:08

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Not much of a clan wars player as the times dont fit my schedule, but I still believe reward tanks should be special.

JohnMasterChief117 #10 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 05:53

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I totally agree. I chose this tank as my reward for the time and dedication I put in to be unique and they are literally giving the same tank out, verbatim. Okay.. different gun? Wow what a HUGE change *eye-roll* We who have it should as courtesy be given the option to at the very least exchange our VK 7201K for a different reward tank that's been previously offered.  

Edited by JohnMasterChief117, Feb 04 2017 - 05:54.


Avalon304 #11 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 09:32

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View PostSexyPotato, on Feb 03 2017 - 19:55, said:

I am a bit confused exactly how are they the same tank isnt the 72.01 like another pointed out a premium tank with better cred and xp potential?? Seriously, what is exactly the issue here? The benefits of having the premium over a tech tree tank is already special is it not? 

 

Reward tanks (CW tanks, personal mission tanks) do not make better credits. They can still train crews, but thats it... they are not considered "premiums" as far as credits and XP are concerned.

 

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That being said: At no point did Wargaming ever say that they would never introduce similar tanks to CW tanks... so the Panzer VII shouldnt be changed at all.



Tupinambis #12 Posted Feb 04 2017 - 21:31

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If the Pz VII also had a 150mm gun I'd be more incline to agree, but as it the different gun on the Pz VII gives the tank a different playstyle than the VK7201 and doesn't warrant being removed.


For the record, the American M10 and the British Achilles also has literally the exact same texture file with the same dents and scratches.

RC_1140 #13 Posted Feb 05 2017 - 12:06

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I love my VK so I'm excited to be able to have 2 (different guns makes it even better). However one thing I love about the VK is the speed, and I'm sad they are nerfing it. I would like it if they left the VK with its current speed AND armor while giving the pz7 the slower speed and better armor. that would make the 2 tanks different and give people a choice of which to use, faster with big gun or slower with better armor and smaller big gun. Plus if they are buffing the lower plate the VK will be basically immune to pubbies.

landedkiller #14 Posted Feb 06 2017 - 05:30

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Let's talk from a non clan wars perspective how long was the vk.72 k clan wars exclusive 4-5 years I think that is long enough. Let's face the facts the reason for them finally adding in this new tank is because history does not have a lot of tanks left in the German lines for heavies. I get it you want to have these tanks be exclusive but not everyone agrees with you. I am one of them Sam instead of trying to make people mad let's try to find solutions instead. Reality is Wargaming is a business that has to turn a profit. I was against the black tanks in this version as they have no real benefits except being black in the console version they do have a higher xp earning ratio. Let's see why release a new German line maybe it is because people want to try something new and different that is a blend of the Maus and the E-100. Let's face it we need to go about adding in new tanks from different nations and not flood the game with Russian premiums. Yeah I have a Kv-122 and an Is-2 maybe I like the guns on them and the reliability of both of them. The same realaiblity that I want for the Chinese heavies that they don't catch on fire as often or the German heavies that they be able to to move as good as their Russian counterparts. Let's also not forget that we need a premium td for the American line and that we need to buff the UK heavy and td lines as well.

Edited by landedkiller, Feb 06 2017 - 05:31.


landedkiller #15 Posted Feb 06 2017 - 05:34

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on Feb 03 2017 - 21:21, said:

No more vehicles restricted for a small minority of the player base. Enough with the elitist BS. Just make all vehicles available to all players.

Exactly my point we could have had an Italian line for instance if that M60 hadn't been made a clan wars tank. Let's instead offer premium time and unique garages for clan wars instead of tanks. They could also offer the clan wars guys trips to historical sites in Europe if they were inclined in the style of a lottery. 


Edited by landedkiller, Feb 06 2017 - 05:37.


landedkiller #16 Posted Feb 06 2017 - 05:36

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View PostDemonic_Angel_of_Death, on Feb 03 2017 - 21:20, said:

This is what happens when you introduce a tank 3 times, when there were only 2 variants, and one is already at tier 8 (The Lowe)

WG couldn't go with the Pz Kp fw IX, or Pz Kp fw X?... I know they are propaganda drawings, but still... they're different...

No technical data available for both . There was projections and fully drawn out blueprints for the Both versions of Lowe.


Edited by landedkiller, Feb 06 2017 - 05:37.


Konigwolfen #17 Posted Feb 08 2017 - 01:01

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The M60 is basically a modified M48. Should we remove it too?



RoboT95 #18 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 19:47

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"Worked hard".

 

bleh, its just a game stop crying like kids

 

"TOMMY GOT A NEW TOY, ITS JUST LIKE MINE SO HE SHOULDNT HAVE IT"

 






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