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FrozenKemp #35301 Posted Dec 09 2018 - 21:32

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View PostAvalon304, on Dec 09 2018 - 14:50, said:

Ive found that its nicer to not have to play a specific class (even though I like playing 4/5ths of them anyway) to complete missions. Certainly some missions are better geared toward certain tank classes, where they'll be actively easier to complete, but you can still make progress in anything and thats far nicer than having to spam just one class of tank if you want to make progress (and I have been doing this in an attempt to finish up the Obj. 260 campaign by spamming my 13 90 to finish LT15.4 with honors... still hasnt happened).

 

Good point!  I've been trying to get the "8 damaging hits within 3 minutes" mission done for the Coalition, mostly in autoloaders, and then this weekend I managed to get 2 points in the UDES 03 which I totally did not expect.  



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Neat, just saw the first F-35s to arrive in Australia.

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Last race of the WEC super season for this year



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View PostApache1990, on Dec 10 2018 - 02:26, said:

 

Relating to the article posted on your site, I strongly disagree about the Chieftain being too well armored, my opinion was that the armor was relatively weak (from the armor model that was available) in normal positions, but exceptionally strong hull down, particularly when tilting the hull back to reinforce some of the weaker hull parts into autoricochet.  I'd much rather deal with tanks that are incredibly strong in good positions than those that have silly armor all the time.

 

Yeah, if it is anything near like the Object 277, which I don't think it is, then it is not too well armoured.

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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 09 2018 - 19:37, said:

 

Yeah, if it is anything near like the Object 277, which I don't think it is, then it is not too well armoured.

 

The hull is already in the game, and its one of the most complained about portions of the Chieftain/T95. It is absolutely not strong from everything Ive seen of that tank.

 

In fact most of the complaints from back when the Chieftain was announced/leaked/whatever was that its armor looked bad for a heavy tank.



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View PostAvalon304, on Dec 10 2018 - 11:20, said:

 

The hull is already in the game, and its one of the most complained about portions of the Chieftain/T95. It is absolutely not strong from everything Ive seen of that tank.

 

In fact most of the complaints from back when the Chieftain was announced/leaked/whatever was that its armor looked bad for a heavy tank.

 

But do you feel it still can be in the game as a heavy? Wait, did you suggest it as a medium? I cannot recall.

 

Yeah, that hull is weakass. What would you do to make up for that hull. If you think that hull needs something else to be compensated.

 

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I also see all this T95 hulls modelled and no T95 medium line. Feels bad man.


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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 09 2018 - 21:36, said:

 

But do you feel it still can be in the game as a heavy? Wait, did you suggest it as a medium? I cannot recall.

 

Yeah, that hull is weakass. What would you do to make up for that hull. If you think that hull needs something else to be compensated.

 

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I also see all this T95 hulls modelled and no T95 medium line. Feels bad man.

 

Yea, Im perfectly fine with it being a heavy. Or a medium. Honestly, for the most part class designation means very very little in this game. Its not completely arbitrary, but most tanks can be played like tanks from other classes, even if they a bit worse at it. (For instance Ive always been of the opinion that, despite the T110E5 being classed as a heavy, its better played like a fat medium). As a heavy its matches against another heavy tank, so thats probably better than matching it against a medium as another medium, despite most MBTs in this game being mediums.

 

Id leave the armor alone. The tank is clearly meant to be a hull down champ and when it is, even on flat ground most of the turret is pretty hard to penetrate. Theres a spot above the gun thats pretty weak, and the cupola, but over all its a tough nut to crack, and gets even tougher when actively using gun depression. And given how amazing the listed stats of the gun are, Id say it more than compensates for the weak hull. (Id actually probably drop the DPM by about 200 or so (roughly equal to the FV215b (120)), because 3k base is a bit much and increase the aimtime by like half a second, but Id otherwise leave the tank, as listed, alone. Chieftain isnt fast, it isnt very well armored outside of hull down situations but its got high base penetration, decent alpha and ok view range.

 

As a separate thing I'd look at making tier 9 and 10 120mm guns do 420 alpha, to bring them closer to most tier 9 and 10 122mm guns that do 440.



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View PostAvalon304, on Dec 10 2018 - 14:56, said:

 

Yea, Im perfectly fine with it being a heavy. Or a medium. Honestly, for the most part class designation means very very little in this game. Its not completely arbitrary, but most tanks can be played like tanks from other classes, even if they a bit worse at it. (For instance Ive always been of the opinion that, despite the T110E5 being classed as a heavy, its better played like a fat medium). As a heavy its matches against another heavy tank, so thats probably better than matching it against a medium as another medium, despite most MBTs in this game being mediums.

 

Id leave the armor alone. The tank is clearly meant to be a hull down champ and when it is, even on flat ground most of the turret is pretty hard to penetrate. Theres a spot above the gun thats pretty weak, and the cupola, but over all its a tough nut to crack, and gets even tougher when actively using gun depression. And given how amazing the listed stats of the gun are, Id say it more than compensates for the weak hull. (Id actually probably drop the DPM by about 200 or so (roughly equal to the FV215b (120)), because 3k base is a bit much and increase the aimtime by like half a second, but Id otherwise leave the tank, as listed, alone. Chieftain isnt fast, it isnt very well armored outside of hull down situations but its got high base penetration, decent alpha and ok view range.

 

As a separate thing I'd look at making tier 9 and 10 120mm guns do 420 alpha, to bring them closer to most tier 9 and 10 122mm guns that do 440.

 

That all sounds good really. I would be eager to see how it performs with other parameters making up for the lack of frontal hull protection.

 

Would you entertain the idea of increasing the upper hull armour by just 10-15mm just to make it resistant to HE a bit? Just a thought. I think it cannot be overmatched except by the 183mm.

 

120mm guns at T9 and 10 being 420 sounds good too.

 

And yeah, I do agree, just because it is a heavy doesn't mean it cannot be medium like. Mediums tend to be more medium like even on the more armoured ones. 430U needs to be looked at though.

 

But I wish TDs get to be that flexible on their classification. For me, the Hellcat should be more light like. M36 more medium like. The latter might be hard because of the 90mm. The T30 is a whole other issue.


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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 10 2018 - 01:17, said:

 

That all sounds good really. I would be eager to see how it performs with other parameters making up for the lack of frontal hull protection.

 

Would you entertain the idea of increasing the upper hull armour by just 10-15mm just to make it resistant to HE a bit? Just a thought. I think it cannot be overmatched except by the 183mm.

 

120mm guns at T9 and 10 being 420 sounds good too.

 

And yeah, I do agree, just because it is a heavy doesn't mean it cannot be medium like. Mediums tend to be more medium like even on the more armoured ones. 430U needs to be looked at though.

 

But I wish TDs get to be that flexible on their classification. For me, the Hellcat should be more light like. M36 more medium like. The latter might be hard because of the 90mm. The T30 is a whole other issue.

 

No, I wouldnt entertain that. The only time a 183mm gun is overmatching that 85mm upper plate is when its firing AP (and its only a 2x overmatch which means improved normalization, not auto pen), and from range even that will probably bounce, given that the hull is sloped at 70 degrees. HE and HESH doesnt overmatch, so against that 85mm upper plate it isnt penning anyway (youre looking at anywhere from 300mm to 500mm effective vs HE/HESH depnding on where the upper plate is hit). At most youre looking at a nominal armor increase as a measure to make splash damage less, but you probably wont gain much via such a minimal nominal armor increase, given how HE splash damage is actually calculated.

 

The upper hull is fairly resilient at range, but if anyone get close and can shoot down on it it is exceedingly weak, which tracks with how the Cheiftain/T95 had performed back when it came out. (Id love to get my hands on one for just this sort of testing).

 

Yes, the 430U needs to be looked at, its one of like 5 or 6 tanks Id seriously take a look at if I were given the chance.

 

For the most part, TDs are that flexible. The M36 is pretty medium esque (or was when I last played it). The Hellcat isnt, but it was at one point... and it was sorta broken. (Thats partly why I want a 76mm armed Hellcat as a tier 6 premium, because I can see giving that proper mobility over the 90mm armed one (or just make the 90mm armed one a premium and put the 76mm armed one in the tree, Im really not that fussy about how it would happen)). Event he T30 is best played like a hull down heavy rather than a snipy TD. Obviously certain TDs (mostly those with case mates) are less idea to be played any other way, but even some of those cane be played like heavies or mediums (JT is a pretty good heavy tank and the 122-44 is one of the better tier 7 mediums for instance)

 

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Welp... did not expect the last fr additions to this years Christmas boxes...

 

 

Like... those skins... are nice... (the list of premiums included doesnt surprise me either).


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View PostAvalon304, on Dec 10 2018 - 16:49, said:

 

No, I wouldnt entertain that. The only time a 183mm gun is overmatching that 85mm upper plate is when its firing AP (and its only a 2x overmatch which means improved normalization, not auto pen), and from range even that will probably bounce, given that the hull is sloped at 70 degrees. HE and HESH doesnt overmatch, so against that 85mm upper plate it isnt penning anyway (youre looking at anywhere from 300mm to 500mm effective vs HE/HESH depnding on where the upper plate is hit). At most youre looking at a nominal armor increase as a measure to make splash damage less, but you probably wont gain much via such a minimal nominal armor increase, given how HE splash damage is actually calculated.

 

The upper hull is fairly resilient at range, but if anyone get close and can shoot down on it it is exceedingly weak, which tracks with how the Cheiftain/T95 had performed back when it came out. (Id love to get my hands on one for just this sort of testing).

 

Yes, the 430U needs to be looked at, its one of like 5 or 6 tanks Id seriously take a look at if I were given the chance.

 

For the most part, TDs are that flexible. The M36 is pretty medium esque (or was when I last played it). The Hellcat isnt, but it was at one point... and it was sorta broken. (Thats partly why I want a 76mm armed Hellcat as a tier 6 premium, because I can see giving that proper mobility over the 90mm armed one (or just make the 90mm armed one a premium and put the 76mm armed one in the tree, Im really not that fussy about how it would happen)). Event he T30 is best played like a hull down heavy rather than a snipy TD. Obviously certain TDs (mostly those with case mates) are less idea to be played any other way, but even some of those cane be played like heavies or mediums (JT is a pretty good heavy tank and the 122-44 is one of the better tier 7 mediums for instance)

 

 

Cool cool. That's fair enough. Cannot disagree with anything there about the Chieftain. Flexibility will be its biggest "stat".

 

For the Hellcat, I always preferred the latter. Make the tech tree one the more historical one. 76mm M1A2, light like mobility. Then the 90mm variant as a Tier 7 prem. Although people won't like their 90mm Hellcat taken away only for them to get it back is by paying money.

 

The T30 is because I miss it as a Tier X heavy. Considering what is out there at Tier X, I believe it can return. The JT, yeah I can agree it can be a heavy but I see it as a mid to late match pusher since I think it could do that role of a heavy better when it had its top engine. I guess it is mostly the TDs with turrets that really behave differently from what they should be just because they are classified as "TD".


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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Dec 09 2018 - 10:15, said:

 

The gold ammo proliferation and increasing number of vehicles with pure fantasy armor is a big part of why I washed my hands of WOT (along with all these years and still not PVE). 

 

At the end of the day, I don't care why they did it -- either they're inept, or they're trying to drive sales through frustration, and either one disgusts me.

 

 

The lack of PvE is the biggest continuing problem as that would give those folks who are actually willing to learn the chance to develop some competency before getting massacred by the old guard...if WG is prepared to pad lower-tier matches with bots there's no reason to avoid having co-op. Maybe make it so you can't take a premium tank into a match.

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I suppose that I should have an opinion on the state of the game and mine is that WG can't make up its mind over whether WoT is a golden goose that needs to be nurtured or a cash cow that is just about ready for slaughtering.

 

I have bigger problems to be concerned about.


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View PostFrozenKemp, on Dec 09 2018 - 15:32, said:

 

Good point!  I've been trying to get the "8 damaging hits within 3 minutes" mission done for the Coalition, mostly in autoloaders, and then this weekend I managed to get 2 points in the UDES 03 which I totally did not expect.  

 

By the way I was with you in game on Sunday...you were in your Object 257 on "Overlord."

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View PostAvalon304, on Dec 10 2018 - 03:49, said:

Welp... did not expect the last fr additions to this years Christmas boxes...

 

 

Like... those skins... are nice... (the list of premiums included doesnt surprise me either).

 

That T57 skin is really, REALLY nice.  If only I could purchase it instead of having a 25% chance of getting the skin I want on top of the "gambling for stuff" lootbox crap.

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Aw yess....



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View PostShrike58, on Dec 10 2018 - 08:41, said:

By the way I was with you in game on Sunday...you were in your Object 257 on "Overlord."

 

Oh hey, cool :)  I think I got blown up by artillery.  The 257 is new to me still, mostly stock. 

 



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View PostFrozenKemp, on Dec 10 2018 - 23:15, said:

 

Oh hey, cool :)  I think I got blown up by artillery.  The 257 is new to me still, mostly stock. 

 

 

Mine is still brand new. Haven't driven it since the T-10 swap.

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Yesterday I completed another solar orbit. As a birthday present to myself I picked up a pack of WoWS Christmas boxes. RNGeezus was kind and one of the crates got me the Kronshtadt and I also got a couple other ships that I didn't have in some of the other boxes. Now I don't need to use my free exp to get it before it leaves the shop. :great:

 

 

 



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View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 10 2018 - 08:30, said:

Aw yess....

 

Well that is a crossover. Guess I should look into MH:W?

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View PostDerViktim, on Dec 10 2018 - 12:30, said:

Yesterday I completed another solar orbit. As a birthday present to myself I picked up a pack of WoWS Christmas boxes. RNGeezus was kind and one of the crates got me the Kronshtadt and I also got a couple other ships that I didn't have in some of the other boxes. Now I don't need to use my free exp to get it before it leaves the shop. :great:

 

 

 

 

Happy Birthday!!




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