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KilljoyCutter #37921 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 14:16

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View PostFrozenKemp, on Apr 24 2019 - 05:19, said:

I'm not sure Reagan was mentally disabled when he ran for office, at least the first time. And while I think he was horrible (I'm super left wing, of course I would) I was assuming that from the POV of a 80s/90s/00s Republican he was considered a success.  I mean it's not like they haven't continued to celebrate him for decades or anything.

 

Judged across all US presidents, I'd consider Reagan on the positive side. He was a better than average president.

But the blind adoration, the near idolatry, that some view him with... makes me cringe.  He wasn't great, he wasn't perfect, he wasn't without fault.


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Dragon_Witch #37922 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 14:22

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You know, you could have included the fact that the plane was a 1944 flying wing.  All I got from your news report was "A plane crashed into a prison yard".

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View PostDragon_Witch, on Apr 23 2019 - 17:46, said:

 

I'm guessing it was part of Mazda's portion of the floor.  "Look at how far we've come" or something like that.  It's not like it'd be particularly hard to find a spot for a Miata in the show, those are tiny little cars.

 

This year is the 30th anniversary of the Miata. My guess is that was a Gen 1, possibly 1989 vintage, Miata. The new orange powered retractable hard top Miata is the limited 30th anniversary edition. Apparently Mazda only made 500 of them.

 

 


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View PostDragon_Witch, on Apr 24 2019 - 07:22, said:

 

You know, you could have included the fact that the plane was a 1944 flying wing.  All I got from your news report was "A plane crashed into a prison yard".

 

Oh come on! Why were they flying an artifact in the first place?

KilljoyCutter #37925 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 14:34

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View PostForcestormX, on Apr 24 2019 - 08:28, said:

 

Oh come on! Why were they flying an artifact in the first place?

 

No kidding, especially one that's known to be temperamental. 

Dragon_Witch #37926 Posted Apr 24 2019 - 14:37

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View PostForcestormX, on Apr 24 2019 - 08:28, said:

 

Oh come on! Why were they flying an artifact in the first place?

 

Because humans are selfish creatures, and the wants of the pilot exceeds the need to preserve such an artifact for future generations?

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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Apr 24 2019 - 08:16, said:

 

Judged across all US presidents, I'd consider Reagan on the positive side. He was a better than average president.

But the blind adoration, the near idolatry, that some view him with... makes me cringe.  He wasn't great, he wasn't perfect, he wasn't without fault.

 

His full on economic assault on the middle and working classes of the US and the legacy of trickle down economics that he left behind laid the foundation for the utter crap show that we have today.  At the time it would have been hard to argue that he wasn't a good President. Over time, however, I'd argue that his legacy of deregulation, union busting, out of control deficit spending, and so much more places him closer towards the worst Presidents than the best.
 

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View PostDerViktim, on Apr 24 2019 - 07:37, said:

 

His full on economic assault on the middle and working classes of the US and the legacy of trickle down economics that he left behind laid the foundation for the utter crap show that we have today.  At the time it would have been hard to argue that he wasn't a good President. Over time, however, I'd argue that his legacy of deregulation, union busting, out of control deficit spending, and so much more places him closer towards the worst Presidents than the best.
 

 

See that's the problem with legacy. The effects are so often so disconnected in time from the cause that it's no wonder so many voters blame the wrong people for things. And can be so easily manipulated into doing so.

 

It's no wonder it's only outside of living memory that we see historical consensus. And even that can sometimes need revision later on.


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View PostDerViktim, on Apr 24 2019 - 08:37, said:

 

His full on economic assault on the middle and working classes of the US and the legacy of trickle down economics that he left behind laid the foundation for the utter crap show that we have today.  At the time it would have been hard to argue that he wasn't a good President. Over time, however, I'd argue that his legacy of deregulation, union busting, out of control deficit spending, and so much more places him closer towards the worst Presidents than the best.
 

 

I think "full on assault" is probably putting a bit of sauce on it.

One problem I've run into is that now any talk of cutting taxes to improve the economy is kneejerk reacted to as "trickle down" -- even when those cuts would be directed at the bottom third of incomes and replaced with taxes that target concentrated wealth.


 



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Drumph is so insecure and self-absorbed that any talk of Russian inference in US elections STILL enrages him, as it's perceived as questioning the legitimacy of his precious victory.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/politics/russia-2020-election-trump.html

 

 



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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Apr 24 2019 - 08:34, said:

 

I think "full on assault" is probably putting a bit of sauce on it.

One problem I've run into is that now any talk of cutting taxes to improve the economy is kneejerk reacted to as "trickle down" -- even when those cuts would be directed at the bottom third of incomes and replaced with taxes that target concentrated wealth.


 

 

A bit saucy probably. For one, I think it's fair to say the effects of globalization were far larger magnifiers of the list (outsourcing, increasing centralization of production due to logistics revolutions, and the availability of less-regulated offshores manufacturing) and probably did more direct harm to unions and the domestic distributed manufacturing economy than the domestic policy legacies of the 80s. Tax changes did probably play a part in the long-term devolution of internal R&D by major corporations in the US, though - although that's a topic more narrow and more pertinent to my imminent need to find a job with a STEM PhD. Certainly gov't R&D was hampered by cuts done in part to justify tax revenue decreases, which reduces long-term benefits for the domestic economy.

 

On the flip side, I also think it's fair to say that the weakening promulgated by the Reagan admin in its pursuit of such policies made it easier for unions and efforts to retain manufacturing to fail when the shock of globalization hit. I'm willing to put down a lot of money that the two, especially with the GOP having been so gung-ho with continuing such policies in the post-Reagan years, very much locked into a positive feedback loop so in the end it's probably impossible to separate them in the final analysis. Other than to look back and say 'you know, maybe feeding that positive feedback loop instead of trying to get ahead of its effects was good in the short term, but lousy long-term planning,' it's not really possible to properly hold the people who carried out such policies to account at this stage.

 

On a sidenote it's kind of hard to agree with your point on the characterization of stimulus-oriented tax cuts, since I don't recall one that wasn't net-oriented towards top earners in the past, oh, four decades or so. If there was one that actually did what you described and net-shifted tax burden to higher brackets then I apologize, but I'd also ask you to show it was painted with the same brush as the other cuts.


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View PostForcestormX, on Apr 24 2019 - 10:01, said:

 

A bit saucy probably. For one, I think it's fair to say the effects of globalization were far larger magnifiers of the list (outsourcing, increasing centralization of production due to logistics revolutions, and the availability of less-regulated offshores manufacturing) and probably did more direct harm to unions and the domestic distributed manufacturing economy than the domestic policy legacies of the 80s. Tax changes did probably play a part in the long-term devolution of internal R&D by major corporations in the US, though - although that's a topic more narrow and more pertinent to my imminent need to find a job with a STEM PhD.

 

On the flip side, I also think it's fair to say that the weakening promulgated by the Reagan admin in its pursuit of such policies made it easier for unions and efforts to retain manufacturing to fail when the shock of globalization hit. I'm willing to put down a lot of money that the two, especially with the GOP having been so gung-ho with continuing such policies in the post-Reagan years, very much locked into a positive feedback loop so in the end it's probably impossible to separate them in the final analysis. Other than to look back and say 'you know, maybe feeding that positive feedback loop instead of trying to get ahead of its effects was good in the short term, but lousy long-term planning,' it's not really possible to properly hold the people who carried out such policies to account at this stage.

 

On a sidenote it's kind of hard to agree with your point on the characterization of stimulus-oriented tax cuts, since I don't recall one that wasn't net-oriented towards top earners in the past, oh, four decades or so. If there was one that actually did what you described and net-shifted tax burden to higher brackets then I apologize, but I'd also ask you to show it was painted with the same brush as the other cuts.

 

Additional points:

The loss of American manufacturing jobs was caused by a combination of automation and off-shoring. America makes more stuff than it ever has. However, it takes FAR fewer people to do it. Automation has been far more harmful to the "unskilled labor" market than globalization has been. Automation is killing off the kind of blue collar jobs that people with no specific skills could do that would afford them a middle class lifestyle and stability. Look at the job markets that automation is hell-bent on going after next. Transportation of goods and people. Automated delivery trucks, drones, robo-taxis, and so forth.

 

Automation is great for investors and business owners, but terrible for people that make their livings at doing those kind of jobs. 

 



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View PostDerViktim, on Apr 24 2019 - 09:23, said:

 

Additional points:

The loss of American manufacturing jobs was caused by a combination of automation and off-shoring. America makes more stuff than it ever has. However, it takes FAR fewer people to do it. Automation has been far more harmful to the "unskilled labor" market than globalization has been. Automation is killing off the kind of blue collar jobs that people with no specific skills could do that would afford them a middle class lifestyle and stability. Look at the job markets that automation is hell-bent on going after next. Transportation of goods and people. Automated delivery trucks, drones, robo-taxis, and so forth.

 

Automation is great for investors and business owners, but terrible for people that make their livings at doing those kind of jobs. 

 

 

Full agreement. I shorthanded it hard when I alluded to logistical revolutions (mainly because I was thinking about supply-chaining and how it's shifted in the same timeframe), but automation definitely falls into that effect as well. Now things are made by fewer people in more concentrated areas before being shipped to other specialized centers half a world away, because the regional supply requirement is fully obsolete. 

 

And people can't adjust because we've never had an industrial revolution happen in (less than) only 1 generation before, and that's leaving aside how massive that revolution was when all factors are taken into account. It's no wonder policymaking is failing so badly when things are happening too fast for the normal form of paradigm-shifting - people dying off (seriously!) - to allow for a change in perception of the issues.


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View PostBeausabre, on Apr 23 2019 - 22:53, said:

Question for Chieftain. How is morale in Armor Branch these days? Here's what I hear through my contacts. Armor officers are not being selected by promotion and command boards in as great a rate as their Artillery and (especially) Infantry contemporaries. Even assignments to Mechanized Infantry formations is not regarded as career enhancing, (get your Ranger tab but forget about becoming a Bradley Master Gunner), cadets (USMA and ROTC) are not being encouraged to join Armor and the quality (class standing and order of merit list) of those that do is declining, limited to no updates to the M1A2 - which is now ancient technology compared to say, the Leo II updates, the Armor School becoming the defacto Armor Department of the Infantry School - Go the annual Maneuver Conference at Benning (no more annual gathering of the Armor and Cavalry clan as a separate event). For those of us who remember Ft Knox being the Home of Armor and Cavalry, a drive around Benning shows that you are at the Home of Infantry (and I don't blame 'em) and oh, yeah, the second class citizen tankers are back over in that corner/ And that's my point, morale is a delicate thing and it seems to this ole Treadhead that the US Army isn't nurturing it in its Mounted Arm.

 

Mmm... As far as I know, it's still fairly reasonable, especially now that armor is experiencing a bit of a resurgence. A note crossed my feed last week saying that 1st Armored in Ft Bliss just shipped out its last Strykers to convert to an all-heavy division.

 

Similarly, I think the pendulum has started to swing back a bit from the "generalist" viewpoint of armor officers which had permeated the Army the last few years. Instead of expecting an armor officer to go from tanks to airborne cav to strykers, there is a recent push back again towards excellence in one specialty. I have personally considered that there is far too much of an emphasis on the Ranger Tab, and I think that's starting to be de-emphasized as well, at least as long as you're not going to one of the airborne/airmobile units.

 

The M1A2 Sep v3 has just come out, which has some reasonable upgrades, and also the Trophy APS is being finally fitted, so the Abrams has some life in it yet.

 

I cannot speak to how the commissioning sources are pushing or not pushing the various branches.



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View PostForcestormX, on Apr 24 2019 - 08:28, said:

 

Oh come on! Why were they flying an artifact in the first place?

 

Because they could...it was still a stupid thing to do!:ohmy:

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View PostChairmanMilo, on Apr 23 2019 - 13:08, said:

Huge shock, just started playing some tier 5s and 6s and this game is completely 100% unplayable for a returning moderately good player

 

+2 MM, 3+ overpowered arty at mid tiers, double bushes on every map, everyone hitting the 2 key (90% of the time for no reason at all).


This is not palatable for a player such as myself - I hate PVP.  I can't play outside of a platoon.  I refuse to touch this stinker otherwise. 

 

The era of telling people to go back to mid-tier to learn to play the game is dead as a door nail.

 

As for double-bushing that simply means that people have actually learned the mechanics...there used to be so much more foliage on the maps.



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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Apr 22 2019 - 12:23, said:

Kamela Harris and half the truth...

 

https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2019/apr/19/kamala-harris/unexpected-400-expense-would-be-damaging-many-kama/

 


 

Fact-checking Drumph's claims about Mueller's "conflicts of interest"... even Steve Bannon says they're nonsense.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/04/debunking-muellers-conflicts/


 

 

My snap impression of Ms. Harris is that she's an empty suit...whatever Democrat gets to be standard bearer they're going to have to go through a tough primary campaign and I figure she isn't up to it.

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View PostDerViktim, on Apr 24 2019 - 06:37, said:

 

His full on economic assault on the middle and working classes of the US and the legacy of trickle down economics that he left behind laid the foundation for the utter crap show that we have today.  At the time it would have been hard to argue that he wasn't a good President. Over time, however, I'd argue that his legacy of deregulation, union busting, out of control deficit spending, and so much more places him closer towards the worst Presidents than the best.
 

 

I'd also add his coddling/pandering of the religious right, how he reacted to the AIDS epidemic, his part in escalating the war on drugs, contras/CIA shenanigans (even though someone might have mentioned that one, it bears repeating). 

 

I would also mention how the deficit spending has turned out to not be as big a deal as most feared and still fear.  Debt topped 22 trillion for the first time this year IIRC.  As long as the gov isn't printing money to the point of causing inflation.



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View PostDragon_Witch, on Apr 24 2019 - 08:22, said:

 

You know, you could have included the fact that the plane was a 1944 flying wing.  All I got from your news report was "A plane crashed into a prison yard".

 

My mistake

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