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avenue94 #40121 Posted Aug 07 2019 - 21:07

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View Postgodofdun, on Aug 07 2019 - 11:20, said:

 

This, plus it also indicates that Lowry might not be aware that this aspect of Trump is a feature, not a bug.  This has always been who he is.  It also makes it sound as if Lowry is ok with everything else the president is doing OUTSIDE of that specific issue.  Either one of these would put Lowry in the delusional camp as far as I'm concerned.

 

 

Similar to how the GOP pretends Trump is a bug, as opposed to the clear evolution of their base and party that they helped create.

View PostKilljoyCutter, on Aug 07 2019 - 11:45, said:

 

 


 

When someone says we should take alt-right-race-nationalism as seriously as we take Islamic extremism or once took the KKK, they're right.  I don't see any need to search for ways to dismiss them at an almost personal level when the statement is so fundamentally, deeply correct.


 

Put it this way, the time to for NR to speak candidly and strenuously on the dangers of the alt right was years ago, when they were looking the other way at American conservatism's clear strains of racism. It's too little too late, on this the NR shouldn't receive credit for essentially just showing up to class, so to speak. The Klan, the alt right, those are surface level symptoms, not the actual problem. To pretend otherwise is an attempt by conservatives to wash their hands of any responsibility. 

Case in point, back to the original op-ed, notice it does not once mention Trump or the GOP really. Instead, it blames self-radicalization, as if 8chan and the alt right exist in their own bubble, separate from Trump and the modern Republican Party.

 



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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Aug 07 2019 - 14:45, said:

 

 


 

When someone says we should take alt-right-race-nationalism as seriously as we take Islamic extremism or once took the KKK, they're right.  I don't see any need to search for ways to dismiss them at an almost personal level when the statement is so fundamentally, deeply correct.


 

 

If I had to be critical of the statement's source is that it reeks of ulterior motive to me, however I do agree with the statement itself.



Shrike58 #40123 Posted Aug 07 2019 - 22:33

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View Postavenue94, on Aug 07 2019 - 15:07, said:

Similar to how the GOP pretends Trump is a bug, as opposed to the clear evolution of their base and party that they helped create.

Put it this way, the time to for NR to speak candidly and strenuously on the dangers of the alt right was years ago, when they were looking the other way at American conservatism's clear strains of racism. It's too little too late, on this the NR shouldn't receive credit for essentially just showing up to class, so to speak. The Klan, the alt right, those are surface level symptoms, not the actual problem. To pretend otherwise is an attempt by conservatives to wash their hands of any responsibility. 

Case in point, back to the original op-ed, notice it does not once mention Trump or the GOP really. Instead, it blames self-radicalization, as if 8chan and the alt right exist in their own bubble, separate from Trump and the modern Republican Party.

 

 

Fair points...those GOP stalwarts who hope that the tiger goes away after Trump does are either in denial or are hoping that they don't wind up being tiger food.



Zergling #40124 Posted Aug 07 2019 - 23:25

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Yeah... these similarities are disturbing.



Tjtod #40125 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 03:09

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Here is a longer video on it:


Edited by Tjtod, Aug 08 2019 - 14:06.


FrozenKemp #40126 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 03:15

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British light tanks, day 1:

 

I free xp'd to the tier 8. I had enough to do that and research all the equipment, and I figured that it would help keep me from being with a HUGE crowd of Setters. 

 

Total XP earned so far: about 65k.  I reactivated premium and have some 200% xp boosters I've been saving. And I played it a lot and a lot more than I usually do in a day. 

 

Effectiveness?  Honestly, I don't think this is a very good vehicle or I don't know how to get out of it what can be gotten out of it. :-/  I did not expect to feel like it steers like a pig. 

 

Let's look at turn rates...

LHMTV - 47

M 41 90 (black) - 60.5

T49 - 46.9

RU 251 - 50.52

T-54 Lt Wt - 55.75

AMX 13 90 - 44.67

 

Well, it's on par with some tier 9s, though they are tier 9s with significant firepower :-/  I guess using the handbrake IS the way to go.  I'm having trouble "getting out of Dodge" when I need to.


Edited by FrozenKemp, Aug 08 2019 - 03:20.


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View PostFrozenKemp, on Aug 07 2019 - 21:15, said:

British light tanks, day 1:

 

I free xp'd to the tier 8. I had enough to do that and research all the equipment, and I figured that it would help keep me from being with a HUGE crowd of Setters. 

 

Total XP earned so far: about 65k.  I reactivated premium and have some 200% xp boosters I've been saving. And I played it a lot and a lot more than I usually do in a day. 

 

Effectiveness?  Honestly, I don't think this is a very good vehicle or I don't know how to get out of it what can be gotten out of it. :-/  I did not expect to feel like it steers like a pig. 

 

Let's look at turn rates...

LHMTV - 47

M 41 90 (black) - 60.5

T49 - 46.9

RU 251 - 50.52

T-54 Lt Wt - 55.75

AMX 13 90 - 44.67

 

Well, it's on par with some tier 9s, though they are tier 9s with significant firepower :-/  I guess using the handbrake IS the way to go.  I'm having trouble "getting out of Dodge" when I need to.

 

I haven't read or heard a single good thing about the new UK light tanks that just got added. Not that I'm paying a whole lot of attention at the moment.



KilljoyCutter #40128 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 14:48

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Well this is grim morning reading...

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/08/conversation-christian-picciolini/595543/

"They’re trying to outdo Timothy McVeigh,"

 



FrozenKemp #40129 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 15:03

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View PostDerViktim, on Aug 08 2019 - 08:21, said:

 

I haven't read or heard a single good thing about the new UK light tanks that just got added. Not that I'm paying a whole lot of attention at the moment.

 

Yeah well... they put a hill in front of me and I'm going to climb it. :) I've been waiting for British lights or any new British line for ages. It's something a bit new, anyway. My passive spotting skills and knowledge have gone to hell so it is forcing me to do some work.



godofdun #40130 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 15:47

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View PostZergling, on Aug 07 2019 - 15:25, said:

 

Disturbing yes, surprising no.

 

View PostFrozenKemp, on Aug 08 2019 - 07:03, said:

 

Yeah well... they put a hill in front of me and I'm going to climb it. :) I've been waiting for British lights or any new British line for ages. It's something a bit new, anyway. My passive spotting skills and knowledge have gone to hell so it is forcing me to do some work.

 

If nothing else it will improve your game in light tanks that aren't gimped :teethhappy:



FrozenKemp #40131 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 15:58

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View Postgodofdun, on Aug 08 2019 - 09:47, said:

If nothing else it will improve your game in light tanks that aren't gimped :teethhappy:

 

*ba dum tish* :D



godofdun #40132 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 16:53

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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Aug 08 2019 - 06:48, said:

Well this is grim morning reading...

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/08/conversation-christian-picciolini/595543/

"They’re trying to outdo Timothy McVeigh,"

 

 

Reminds me very much of American History X:

Bayoumy: What are some of the things that prompt these people to question their beliefs?  

Picciolini: Certainly not facts. It’s very emotional. I try to take them through an emotional journey where they come to the conclusion that they’ve changed, and it’s not me telling them that they’ve changed. What I’ve found least effective is me telling them that they’re wrong, or me telling them that they need to think a certain way. Typically these people are pretty idealistic, although they’re lost, typically pretty bruised emotionally, and they have very low self-esteem.

 

This totally sounds like the kind of Democrat that Trump would get along with:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/456654-trump-says-hes-very-strongly-considering-commuting-rod-blagojevichs



KilljoyCutter #40133 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 17:30

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View Postgodofdun, on Aug 08 2019 - 10:53, said:

 

Reminds me very much of American History X:

Bayoumy: What are some of the things that prompt these people to question their beliefs? 

Picciolini: Certainly not facts. It’s very emotional. I try to take them through an emotional journey where they come to the conclusion that they’ve changed, and it’s not me telling them that they’ve changed. What I’ve found least effective is me telling them that they’re wrong, or me telling them that they need to think a certain way. Typically these people are pretty idealistic, although they’re lost, typically pretty bruised emotionally, and they have very low self-esteem.

 

This totally sounds like the kind of Democrat that Trump would get along with:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/456654-trump-says-hes-very-strongly-considering-commuting-rod-blagojevichs

 

"Drain the swamp."


 

:sceptic:



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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Aug 08 2019 - 11:30, said:

 

"Drain the swamp."


 

:sceptic:

 

To be fair, he is draining the swamp of talented and passionate people to replace with more swamp monsters like himself.


Edited by Mermaid_Witch, Aug 08 2019 - 19:34.


godofdun #40135 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 20:13

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again, still, this is the world we live in now:

"The eight victims of the El Paso shooting still recovering at the University Medical Center declined to meet with President Donald Trump during his visit to the Texas city on Wednesday, The Washington Post reported.

"This is a very sensitive time in their lives. Some of them said they didn't want to meet with the President, some of them didn't want any visitors," the hospital's spokesman Ryan Mielke said in a statement provided to the newspaper. He said two victims who had been discharged from UMC returned to the hospital with their families to meet with Trump.
CNN has reached out repeatedly Thursday to Mielke.
Pastor Michael Grady, the father of Michelle Grady, who was shot three times, told CNN that his daughter did not want to see the President. The family also refused to meet with Trump.
Trump did not visit the Del Sol Medical Center in El Paso, which is currently treating six patients from the shooting."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/politics/trump-el-paso-victims-hospital-visit/index.html



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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Aug 08 2019 - 08:48, said:

Well this is grim morning reading...

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/08/conversation-christian-picciolini/595543/

"They’re trying to outdo Timothy McVeigh,"

 


There's a somewhat sizable minority on the internet that honestly believe that McVeigh did nothing wrong.



Mermaid_Witch #40137 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 20:34

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View Postgodofdun, on Aug 08 2019 - 14:13, said:

again, still, this is the world we live in now:

"The eight victims of the El Paso shooting still recovering at the University Medical Center declined to meet with President Donald Trump during his visit to the Texas city on Wednesday, The Washington Post reported.

"This is a very sensitive time in their lives. Some of them said they didn't want to meet with the President, some of them didn't want any visitors," the hospital's spokesman Ryan Mielke said in a statement provided to the newspaper. He said two victims who had been discharged from UMC returned to the hospital with their families to meet with Trump.
CNN has reached out repeatedly Thursday to Mielke.
Pastor Michael Grady, the father of Michelle Grady, who was shot three times, told CNN that his daughter did not want to see the President. The family also refused to meet with Trump.
Trump did not visit the Del Sol Medical Center in El Paso, which is currently treating six patients from the shooting."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/politics/trump-el-paso-victims-hospital-visit/index.html

 

I agree.  What kind of world do we live in where victims of a right-wing shooting rampage have the unmitigated gall to refuse a visit from the President of the United States?  They act like he'd pose next to them and give a smiling thumbs-up to a camera like he was meeting some minor celebrity and not a gunshot victim.

 

 

Oh, he did that?  And had the White House post pictures of him smiling and hobnobbing with the victims of a mass shooting?  Well, alright then. 

 

 

 

View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Aug 08 2019 - 14:27, said:


There's a somewhat sizable minority on the internet that honestly believe that McVeigh did nothing wrong.

 

 

Any time someone says "-Person- has done nothing wrong", look into the history of -person-, because they did something seriously wrong.  Like "Assaulting and Battering God" levels of wrong.

 

 

 



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View PostMermaid_Witch, on Aug 08 2019 - 14:34, said:

 

Any time someone says "-Person- has done nothing wrong", look into the history of -person-, because they did something seriously wrong.  Like "Assaulting and Battering God" levels of wrong.

 

 

What I meant was they honestly believe that the bombing he did was morally correct and killing over 150 was perfectly okay.



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View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Aug 08 2019 - 14:42, said:

 

What I meant was they honestly believe that the bombing he did was morally correct and killing over 150 was perfectly okay.

 

Yeah, I know.  My point stands.  Anyone who has to have their apologists say "He/She/It did nothing wrong" obviously did something seriously wrong. 

 

 



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View PostMermaid_Witch, on Aug 08 2019 - 14:34, said:

 

I agree.  What kind of world do we live in where victims of a right-wing shooting rampage have the unmitigated gall to refuse a visit from the President of the United States?  They act like he'd pose next to them and give a smiling thumbs-up to a camera like he was meeting some minor celebrity and not a gunshot victim.

 

Oh, he did that?  And had the White House post pictures of him smiling and hobnobbing with the victims of a mass shooting?  Well, alright then.

 

Or, you know, find some more photogenic patients who weren't shot in a mass shooting and pose with them instead.  Whatever gets him better poll numbers.  Trump did nothing wrong!






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