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KilljoyCutter #42161 Posted Dec 04 2019 - 16:47

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View PostShrike58, on Dec 04 2019 - 10:41, said:

 

The current maximum leader in Beijing seems to be executing that option himself.

 

I mean just start pulling out factories as much as can be managed, stop sending anything new tech or science wise, ban cooperation on research, etc.


 

Just get out and close the door and let them fester in a bubble until they implode.


 



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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Dec 04 2019 - 23:47, said:

 

I mean just start pulling out factories as much as can be managed, stop sending anything new tech or science wise, ban cooperation on research, etc.


 

Just get out and close the door and let them fester in a bubble until they implode.


 

 

Wish that would happen. But many want that sweet sweet China Yuan.



Mermaid_Witch #42163 Posted Dec 04 2019 - 21:58

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Oh, look who's suing his way back into the public eye.

 

If you can't see the link for whatever reason, George Zimmerman is suing the parents of Trayvon Martin to the tune of $100 million dollars.


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Cruiser_Katori #42164 Posted Dec 04 2019 - 23:48

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View PostShrike58, on Dec 04 2019 - 03:10, said:

Last week in books:

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691183511/ref=nosim/librarythin06-20

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316187291/ref=nosim/librarythin06-20

 

This first is by a noted classicist examining how the Greeks thought about what we would call biotechnology even though they didn't have the science to execute such things as sentient automatons and cross-species hybrids, before examining actual Hellenistic technology. Mayor does dryly note that many of these mythic creations (Talos, Pandora, the Minotaur) came into being due to tyrannical overreaches for power.

The other is a novel I've been intending to read forever, but haven't, because you just don't breeze through one of Jemisin's novels; this is basically prep for reading her "Inheritance" trilogy next year.

I've known plenty of folks over the years that have said "the ancients could NEVER have thought of that!" in response to old fable, questionable artifacts, etc. Well, turns out humans are a rather imaginative lot, and often quite intelligent. Without big ol' religions telling folks that they're "special" or "better than animals", they often look at, say, a cow giving birth, see the exact same thing with humans, and promptly put one and two together. Likewise, doesn't take too much imagination to figure out that if you have enough gears, you could make something think. The big monomyths REALLY set us back as a species, and probably will continue to do so as long as they exist. That, and totalitarian governments that try to control anything that isn't absolutely essential to the survival of the government gravy train. Such as free speech, or the ability to effectively defend one's self, or the ability to control what happens in your own damn body.

View PostMermaid_Witch, on Dec 04 2019 - 06:21, said:

I'm sorry.  I'll try to remember that for the future.  I trust you can still view the New York Times?

View PostKilljoyCutter, on Dec 04 2019 - 06:47, said:

I mean just start pulling out factories as much as can be managed, stop sending anything new tech or science wise, ban cooperation on research, etc.

Just get out and close the door and let them fester in a bubble until they implode.

Honestly, I'm wondering if even THAT would stop them. Containment may not be sufficient to prevent the spread of the mind virus known as Communism. Given long enough, they WILL find a way to **** with the (somewhat) more civilized world, given that the Chinese seem to have been following this general cultural-governmental pattern for *how many* thousands of years? The names have changed, the coin faces have changed, and yet the system really has not, and the average Chinese citizen seems to be in a worse overall position than they were hundreds of years ago, when there was still a reasonable chance of a rebellion with improvised arms succeeding without absurd amounts of lost lives. And worst of all, the average citizen seems to like this condition of living.

So no, I doubt containment would do anything other than turning China into a festering Communist abscess waiting to explode and poison the rest of the world. Remember, China basically has everything it needs within it's borders to continue developing its technology in more horrific ways, including a massive portion of all known rare earth element deposits. We could utterly cut off China, and the CCCP might simply become even more barbaric to the general populace with the combination of no longer needing to maintain diplomatic relations, and having the 1984-esque excuse of "national security". It's a catch-22: we're damned if we don't cut them off (we give ideas to OUR governing and corporate ****ers, and more power to implement their plans with), and we're damned if we DO cut them off (we basically doom every remaining person in China that DOESN'T like the system, and they become the festering Communist bubble/ticking time bomb). 

So, how's the saying go... Something something, "interesting times"?



KilljoyCutter #42165 Posted Dec 05 2019 - 00:48

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Remember some years back, when I'd talk about how much of a mistake it was to be entangled with China and helping them grow by fueling their economy, and I got all sorts of nasty vitriolic pushback about how paranoid and regressive I was?

 

Yeah.

 

:sceptic:

 

PS:  Warren Christopher, history will not remember you fondly.


 



FrozenKemp #42166 Posted Dec 05 2019 - 13:09

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China is an autocracy but you'd have a hard time convincing me that they are still communist.

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View PostFrozenKemp, on Dec 05 2019 - 20:09, said:

China is an autocracy but you'd have a hard time convincing me that they are still communist.

 

Wished they stayed as Communist as possible. Would ultimately lead to their entire country ending like the Soviet Union.


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KilljoyCutter #42168 Posted Dec 06 2019 - 00:24

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Scharnhorst located.

 

The WW1 ship, that is.

 

https://www.livescience.com/famous-wwi-german-warship-discovered-scharnhorst.html



Cruiser_Katori #42169 Posted Dec 06 2019 - 02:48

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View PostFrozenKemp, on Dec 05 2019 - 03:09, said:

China is an autocracy but you'd have a hard time convincing me that they are still communist.

View PostSpectreHD, on Dec 05 2019 - 12:38, said:

Wished they stayed as Communist as possible. Would ultimately lead to their entire country ending like the Soviet Union.

Unfortunately, they seem to have perfected the art of being as Communist as possible without suffering total collapse or being a blatant outlaw state. 

>The ruling party is still the CPC.

>Most businesses are required to have at least one CPC member on-staff to, ah, "advise" the owners IIRC.

>Many really powerful businesses are still actually state-owned and run, with many of the "independent" businesses being de-facto state owned and run.

>The armed forces are NOT actually the Chinese armed forces, but actually the CPC armed forces, and swear loyalty to the party, NOT to the Chinese people.

>Armed forces members IIRC apparently spend some 60% of all time in Boot studying Communist propaganda and undergoing indoctrination, and upon graduation *only* spend some 30% of their time continuing to study and discuss Communist propaganda to ensure party loyalty.

>Massive government boons are given to almost all Chinese businesses to maximize their business, while non-Chinese businesses are hindered at every turn by red tape, spying, and blatant corruption.

>The general population liberty is... Ah... Need I say more on this one?

>Perhaps most importantly, their controlled economy relies on (increasingly rather questionable) data for direction. The same as the controlled economies of other Communism-infected nations. The same reason that, for example, the Soviets basically whaled the whaling industry out of business without ever bringing much product of value home. I can't remember where the article was, but it went into rather nice detail as to how all economic directives were based on an overall "Plan", rather than directed by efficiency or effectiveness. China is actually operating off a VERY similar plan as of now, which is part of the reason for all the ghost cities, garbage filled bridges, and other massive, ill-advised projects.

China is still VERY Communist, the CPC simply wants the stupid foreigners to ignore the proverbial man behind the curtain.



FrozenKemp #42170 Posted Dec 06 2019 - 04:10

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Communism would not have COMPANIES. 



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View PostFrozenKemp, on Dec 05 2019 - 18:10, said:

Communism would not have COMPANIES. 

Meh, only real potential block to companies and corporations under Communist systems is that all property is supposed to belong to the state/masses IIRC. In which case, a state-run or otherwise state-sponsored corporation is effectively immune: as they serve the interests of the local Communist de-facto feudalistic nobility/oligarchy, and are already owned by the state, profits are not important so long as the general organizational and productive structure is there. It doesn't matter if the quality is dismal, or if it would be utterly non-competitive in an actual capitalist market without state assistance (or even WITH it), it still just sorta "is". Like a hollow skyscraper, if you will: even if it's not nearly as useful, or the structure is barely even there, it still is standing right there, like a dried, dead husk. Much like a nation after a Communism infection has run its usual course.



FrozenKemp #42172 Posted Dec 06 2019 - 09:35

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OK whatever.

Mermaid_Witch #42173 Posted Dec 06 2019 - 19:14

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A Saudi aviation student went on a shooting spree inside a Florida military base classroom.  I guess we should be thankful he was on the ground when he decided to go all "death to America", and not behind the controls of an airplane.

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View PostMermaid_Witch, on Dec 06 2019 - 10:14, said:

A Saudi aviation student went on a shooting spree inside a Florida military base classroom.  I guess we should be thankful he was on the ground when he decided to go all "death to America", and not behind the controls of an airplane.

 

I started my training at NAS Pensacola back in 2010. I am reading the updates as they come along.



Tjtod #42175 Posted Dec 07 2019 - 03:39

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So Halo MCC on PC, came out and I'm quite enjoying it. Just need a better way to share and get custom game modes and maps, and find custom games.

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View PostTjtod, on Dec 06 2019 - 19:39, said:

So Halo MCC on PC, came out and I'm quite enjoying it. Just need a better way to share and get custom game modes and maps, and find custom games.

 

I imagine once Forge mode and Theatre mode are added in properly, the proper sharing system will show up aswell.



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View PostTjtod, on Dec 06 2019 - 21:39, said:

So Halo MCC on PC, came out and I'm quite enjoying it. Just need a better way to share and get custom game modes and maps, and find custom games.

Also, looks like it uses Steam friends list in steam version rather than xbox live.

 

I looked at multiplayer very briefly earlier, and my main thought was "Am I creating a match, or just setting conditions for what matches I'd be joining?" and then messed with campaign a bit more instead.



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View PostTaiho, on Dec 06 2019 - 22:51, said:

Also, looks like it uses Steam friends list in steam version rather than xbox live.

 

I looked at multiplayer very briefly earlier, and my main thought was "Am I creating a match, or just setting conditions for what matches I'd be joining?" and then messed with campaign a bit more instead.


So in matchmade stuff you are setting the conditions for what matches you are going to join, but for custom stuff you are creating the game.



PrimarchRogalDorn #42179 Posted Dec 07 2019 - 06:11

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I'm sure that a certain denialist that's been posting their drivel in the Off-Topic subforum will hate this: Turns out the majority of climate models since 1970 have accurately predicted rising global temperatures.

And another source that's not The Guardian


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