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godofdun #43241 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 15:30

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A bit scary:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/hokkaido-coronavirus-school/

 

"Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Thursday asked all elementary, junior high and high schools nationwide to close from Monday through the students’ spring break, which typically ends in early April."



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View Postgodofdun, on Feb 27 2020 - 09:30, said:

A bit scary:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/hokkaido-coronavirus-school/

 

"Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Thursday asked all elementary, junior high and high schools nationwide to close from Monday through the students’ spring break, which typically ends in early April."

 

Good luck making up all that time at the end of the semester.



FrozenKemp #43243 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 18:49

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View PostCruiser_Katori, on Feb 27 2020 - 00:15, said:

Crass humor aside, stuff's about to get real, folks. While modern healthcare can potentially mitigate COVID-19's effects on a small scale, widespread infection will likely overwhelm all systems. Furthermore, most folks have about a week's supplies in their homes, tops. I highly advise you not to be most folks, and to start bottling up water in clean containers while you're still getting running water. After all, once this stuff gets rolling I sincerely doubt the utilities will be running at normal with a whole bunch of folks sick (or in departments like mine with a bunch of older folks, possibly dying). Read up on how to disinfect water with household bleach if you're not super familiar with the process already, and keep a good-sized jug of it handy with your water supplies; you don't want to dodge Corona-chan only to die of dysentery. I suggest potentially as much as two month's supplies, in case stuff gets REALLY from cascading failures and the like. Same goes for food and other consumables; make sure it can be stored and eaten without electricity, as we may not be able to keep the lines hot if the coal or LNG stops flowing, or if lines go down and work crews aren't available. Assume that you WILL NOT be able to use your local stores, and that everyone around you will be in a similar situation.

Additionally, you may also need to start thinking of your neighbors as your nextdoor nightmares. If John and Jane Doe have hungry kids because they had a freezer full of TV dinners and the power went out, and YOU are eating canned whatever, they will want what you have. And unless anyone here has a dramatically better budgetary situation than I do, somehow I doubt folks reading this could possibly feed all their neighbors for more than a day or two with what you all can stash away for the upcoming proverbial rainy days. Lumber too, if you have the remote possibility of putting boards over your windows or other vulnerable entrances. Arms to, ah, repel boarders would be wise if you can provision and maintain them, along with large amounts of whatever is needed to make them ready. Be prepared for lots of rampant stupid as well; think tomato pubbies, IRL, possibly starving and/or off their rocker, times the population of your AO. Fuel too, especially for you poor folks in colder climes, in case you need heating. Some form of solar charger for electronics, or books to keep your mind busy, again should the lights go out for a while. N95 filtration should provide some protection if you absolutely MUST roam, but that should be a last resort.

If the power, of wonder of wonders, does NOT fail, and the water does NOT fail, you'll still have to worry about food during an enforced quarantine. There have probably been more than a few folks in China that have dies from second-order effect starvation, including the poor kid with cerebral palsy just in the news earlier today. That can happen here, too. And again, just because you are a "have" doesn't mean your neighbors are as well.

In short, I suggest you get your affairs in order, gather supplies BEFORE quarantine enforcement becomes a thing, because it's time to hold onto our collective butts, and hope that Corona-chan's newest Super Death World Concert is more of a fizzle than Ebola-chan's efforts.

 

Given that cities in China have not been reported to having descended into plague-emptied ruins with feral dogs roaming the streets, I think your apocalyptic vision here is out of line with reality.  I have also read that if you are say under 55 the danger from the virus is low.  Or if I am cautious, I would say "lower" but keep in mind that it is more likely to kill those whose health is weaker to begin with.  The elderly, the young, the already sick, etc. 

 

As a potential counterpoint to how people behave in disasters, I would like to point you to this excerpt from Solnit's A Paradise Built In Hell on the NYT website about the aftermath of the 1906 earthquake in SF. https://www.nytimes....lt-in-hell.html

 



godofdun #43244 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 19:14

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Apocalyptic predictions are overblown for sure, but this will kill more people and the economic impacts might be severe.

 

Speaking of international kerfuffles:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/26/bolivia-dismissed-its-october-elections-fraudulent-our-research-found-no-reason-suspect-fraud/

 

"As Bolivia gears up for a do-over election on May 3, the country remains in unrest following the Nov. 10 military-backed coup against incumbent President Evo Morales.

A quick recap: Morales claimed victory in October’s election, but the opposition protested about what it called electoral fraud. A Nov. 10 report from the Organization of American States (OAS) noted election irregularities, which “leads the technical audit team to question the integrity of the results of the election on October 20.” Police then joined the protests and Morales sought asylum in Mexico.

 

The military-installed government charged Morales with sedition and terrorism. A European Union monitoring report noted that some 40 former electoral officials have been arrested and face criminal charges of sedition and subversion, and 35 people have died in the post-electoral conflict. The highest-polling presidential candidate, a member of Morales’s Movimiento al Socialismo (MAS-IPSP) party, has received a summons from prosecutors for undisclosed crimes, a move some analysts suspect was aimed to keep him off the ballot.

 

The media has largely reported the allegations of fraud as fact. And many commentators have justified the coup as a response to electoral fraud by MAS-IPSP. However, as specialists in election integrity, we find that the statistical evidence does not support the claim of fraud in Bolivia’s October election."

 

Wow, good job screwing up yet another country for no good reason.

 



FrozenKemp #43245 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 20:40

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Oh, not "no reason".  For purposes of seizing power.  There are also strong racial and religious divisions in the country. 

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KilljoyCutter #43246 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 21:30

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Thing is, it was easy to believe that Morales would try to rig an election, given his other antics.

 

This is the same guy who promised he wouldn't run in 2014, then ran anyway, and after he won dedicated his victory to Castro and Chavez.  He was only legally able to run for a third term because the courts were able to find a loophole in the presidential term limit in Bolivia's constitution.  He then turned around and tried to get the constitution amended so he could run for a fourth term, lost the referendum, and dismissed the loss as the result of "American imperialism", and ran for a fourth term anyway -- by having his puppet court dismiss the term limits as "a violation of human rights".

 

So regardless of whether there was electoral fraud in that election, he had done more than enough to justify his removal from office.

 

He has also been an open supporter of Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro.


 


 


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godofdun #43247 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 22:27

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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Feb 27 2020 - 13:30, said:

Thing is, it was easy to believe that Morales would try to rig an election, given his other antics.

 

This is the same guy who promised he wouldn't run in 2014, then ran anyway, and after he won dedicated his victory to Castro and Chavez.  He was only legally able to run for a third term because the courts were able to find a loophole in the presidential term limit in Bolivia's constitution.  He then turned around and tried to get the constitution amended so he could run for a fourth term, lost the referendum, and dismissed the loss as the result of "American imperialism", and ran for a fourth term anyway -- by having his puppet court dismiss the term limits as "a violation of human rights".

 

So regardless of whether there was electoral fraud in that election, he had done more than enough to justify his removal from office.

 

He has also been an open supporter of Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro.

 

 

Simply because it was easy to believe, does not make it true.

 

Given the nature of who's in control there now being in ways worse, maybe groups like the OAS need to do a little more thinking before getting involved in someone else's elections.  Us "helping" far too often leads to the opposite of that, doesn't mean we shouldn't ever do so but it might be nice if we employed a little more grey matter before we do so.



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View Postgodofdun, on Feb 27 2020 - 16:27, said:

 

Simply because it was easy to believe, does not make it true.

 

Given the nature of who's in control there now being in ways worse, maybe groups like the OAS need to do a little more thinking before getting involved in someone else's elections.  Us "helping" far too often leads to the opposite of that, doesn't mean we shouldn't ever do so but it might be nice if we employed a little more grey matter before we do so.


 

Morales had repeatedly lied about not running again, and repeatedly used his influence over the courts to sidestep constitutional limits on his ability to run for office.  That's a pattern of behavior that supports the OAS findings.  Blocking Morales from taking a fourth term in light of this past actions is no more a "coup" than removing Trump would have been a "coup", yet the article's authors use that term -- without the help of his puppet courts, he was already doubly ineligible to run again.  Imagine Trump wins this fall, and after a couple more SCOTUS changes, he tries to get them to rule that he can run yet again in 2024 on some technicality; that is what Morales had effectively succeeded in doing in Bolivia.


 

Meanwhile https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/20/here-are-myths-about-bolivias-protests/
 



KilljoyCutter #43249 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 22:50

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Bernie Sanders claim that he'll "energize voter turnout" is so far just a lot of hot air and hyperbole:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/24/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-voters.html

 

Sanders is going to end up winning the Democratic nomination in the same way Trump won the Republican nomination -- by running against a bunch of less radical but rather meh candidates who will divide up the more moderate votes in the primaries, and appealing to anger and platitudes.

 

But he's not going to draw in the voters who the Democrats need to flip compared to 2016.

 

Nominating Sanders is re-electing Trump, simple as that.


 

Spoiler


 E:  meanwhile, in a move that shocks no one, now that Sanders might win the plurality of delegates, he has flip-flopped on his stance from 2016 -- instead of encouraging superdelegates to ignore the plurality as he did when he trailed Clinton, he's now insisting that they honor the plurality he thinks he's going to win.   https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html 


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Mermaid_Witch #43250 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 23:03

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So, with my "new" job at a Call Center, I now make enough money that the State of Michigan is kicking me off Medicaid.  Which means I "get" to choose between the two health insurance plans my work offers.

 

The first "plan" has a $4000 deductible and costs $140 per month.  So basically I'd be giving them 1,700 bucks a year for them to do absolutely nothing, because short of a massive stroke there's no way I'm using up a $4000 deductible in one year.

 

The second "plan" has a $1400 deductible, but costs $400 per month.  So I'd be paying them 4,800 bucks a year, or roughly 1/5 my annual income as estimated by the State of Michigan.

 

The third plan is to tell both plans to get bent and horde all my money like a dragon until I drop dead because of some easily treatable disease/condition.

 

I'm leaning plan 3.  Anyone else have suggestions?

 

 



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Living in a country without Universal Healthcare sounds fcking awful.

FrozenKemp #43252 Posted Feb 28 2020 - 00:54

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Do you have any recurring medical costs, like prescriptions?  I do, myself.

 

I would lean towards #2 probably. 

 

No one can really control what they might get infected by, or if some drunk driver is going to T-bone their car out of nowhere, or anything like that. Don't have no coverage at all, if you can afford it at all.  


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Mermaid_Witch #43253 Posted Feb 28 2020 - 01:36

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View PostFrozenKemp, on Feb 27 2020 - 18:54, said:

Do you have any recurring medical costs, like prescriptions?  I do, myself.

 

Yeah.  I take enough happy pills to fuel a circus.   Unfortunately, it's still less than $4000 per year worth of them.



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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Feb 27 2020 - 14:42, said:


 

Morales had repeatedly lied about not running again, and repeatedly used his influence over the courts to sidestep constitutional limits on his ability to run for office.  That's a pattern of behavior that supports the OAS findings.  Blocking Morales from taking a fourth term in light of this past actions is no more a "coup" than removing Trump would have been a "coup", yet the article's authors use that term -- without the help of his puppet courts, he was already doubly ineligible to run again.  Imagine Trump wins this fall, and after a couple more SCOTUS changes, he tries to get them to rule that he can run yet again in 2024 on some technicality; that is what Morales had effectively succeeded in doing in Bolivia.


 

Meanwhile https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/20/here-are-myths-about-bolivias-protests/
 

 

Pattern of behavior is not evidence in and of itself and assumptions made in the analysis didn't hold water, the resulting OAS action (and by extension us as it's largest member) only made that country worse, not better.  Could Morales have gotten as bad as the current crop of fools there given another term or two? Certainly not impossible.  Although I think maybe less likely given that the military threw him out just as soon as they had the political cover to do so.  On that note, let's not retreat into pedantry.  The military telling him to step down is certainly less violent than shooting him in the face and killing his family, but still pretty coup-ey given that's always going to be an implied threat in South America at this point and shady undemocratic tactics or not his elected term from before the disputed election we're talking about still wasn't up.

 

I'm not arguing Morales is good guy, but changing one bad guy for another is a pattern we need to get away from.  Bolivia thankfully is not as much of an S-show than Libya with it's slave markets but we can still be better about this.

 

View PostKilljoyCutter, on Feb 27 2020 - 14:50, said:

Bernie Sanders claim that he'll "energize voter turnout" is so far just a lot of hot air and hyperbole:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/24/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-voters.html

 

Sanders is going to end up winning the Democratic nomination in the same way Trump won the Republican nomination -- by running against a bunch of less radical but rather meh candidates who will divide up the more moderate votes in the primaries, and appealing to anger and platitudes.

 

But he's not going to draw in the voters who the Democrats need to flip compared to 2016.

 

Nominating Sanders is re-electing Trump, simple as that.


 

Spoiler


 E:  meanwhile, in a move that shocks no one, now that Sanders might win the plurality of delegates, he has flip-flopped on his stance from 2016 -- instead of encouraging superdelegates to ignore the plurality as he did when he trailed Clinton, he's now insisting that they honor the plurality he thinks he's going to win.   https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html 

 

It's not as if the more moderate candidates could just combine Voltron-style and still achieve the same results as each candidate individually.  Normal voters, even in the primary, don't think about ideological lanes like that.  In the polls/crosstabs I've seen the candidate that Biden supporters choose most often as their 2nd choice isn't another of the moderates, it's Sanders.

 

In his best results so far in Nevada he won both moderates and independants so he has cross appeal there.  I think Trump will be hard to beat no matter who gets picked, but people are underestimating Sanders.

 

I do wonder how much turnout is getting effected by having so many candidates and such a long primary season, I feel like fatigue and the feeling of "just give me a candidate to vote for over agent orange already" is an issue here.  Anyone the Dems elect is going to need to figure out ways to increase turnout back up to some previous level in order to win because while the Dem vote in 2018 was way up, the Rep vote was up as well just not by quite as much.

 

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That's a misrepresentation of his arguments from 2016.  He was arguing that he should get the superdelegates from states that he won so they aren't overriding the votes of the voters in that state.

 

https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1232973098288340992

https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1232976469296656385

https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1232976610820841472

 

His overall pitch beyond that election was that they should be done away with altogether (something he's not exactly alone on, I certainly think they should be tossed out) as they're undemocratic.  He and others lobbied the DNC for that and the current status compromise was reached where they don't become a factor until the 2nd ballot, so the idea that he was just fine with it as it was until now is not correct.


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On superdelegates... we need to decide if the primaries are part of our elections, or the way parties choose their candidates.  If they're the former, then the parties and states need to be stripped of control, and a standard format and set of dates applied from the federal level.   If they're the latter, then there's nothing wrong with the superdelegates or whatever, the states need to stop spending money on running them, and the parties allowed to openly block divisive candidates.  The half-pregnant nonsense we have now is how we end up with candidates like Trump and Sanders.

 



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View PostAvalon304, on Feb 26 2020 - 22:33, said:

If you squint... it sorta look like the real Chieftain:

 

Spoiler

 

Ooooh, you make that yourself? It's purdy. And that set of tubes in the stowage bin, are they supposed to be unfired AT rockets?

View Postgodofdun, on Feb 27 2020 - 05:30, said:

A bit scary:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/hokkaido-coronavirus-school/

 

"Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Thursday asked all elementary, junior high and high schools nationwide to close from Monday through the students’ spring break, which typically ends in early April."

Well, it's a start...

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Later Thursday, the health and welfare ministry said Abe’s request does not apply to day care centers for children and after-school facilities for elementary school students.

 ...Until we get to that bit. This could still slow the spread, but the moment some kiddo gets it from a parent who was on one of Japan's famously crowded trains, I can almost guarantee that they will pass it off to everyone in the center, who will then promptly pass it off to their parents. Urban crowding: unpleasant for people, and unfortunately great for disease transmission.

View PostFrozenKemp, on Feb 27 2020 - 08:49, said:

Given that cities in China have not been reported to having descended into plague-emptied ruins with feral dogs roaming the streets, I think your apocalyptic vision here is out of line with reality.  I have also read that if you are say under 55 the danger from the virus is low.  Or if I am cautious, I would say "lower" but keep in mind that it is more likely to kill those whose health is weaker to begin with.  The elderly, the young, the already sick, etc. 

As a potential counterpoint to how people behave in disasters, I would like to point you to this excerpt from Solnit's A Paradise Built In Hell on the NYT website about the aftermath of the 1906 earthquake in SF. https://www.nytimes....lt-in-hell.html

View Postgodofdun, on Feb 27 2020 - 09:14, said:

Apocalyptic predictions are overblown for sure, but this will kill more people and the economic impacts might be severe.

 

I did not intend it as an "apocalyptic vision/prediction"; please note the use of "may", "likely", "in case", "assume", "probably", and "suggest". That said, I could have worded it better; I don't make my best write-ups when tired. That said, some things to note that could make a significant difference:

 

- China is run by a bunch of totalitarian bureaucrats that don't give one whit about the life of the average subject. Their quarantine was also enforced using methods likely unacceptable and more likely unenforceable in significant parts of the US. Food was delivered to apartments to minimize traffic, and people were hauled off if they caused even the slightest bit of trouble. This was aided with the widespread surveillance systems already in place. As much as I hate to say it, this is probably the part where Diagonal Sushi would say "told ya so, people need controlling", and I would have to agree that the totalitarian state does have an advantage when it comes to controlling a disease outbreak, at least if they can cordon it off. Once the cordon sanitaire fails, though...

 

- I never said anything about plague-emptied cities, thanks. I'll have you note that the main problem here is not the disease itself, but the people. As the line goes: "a person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." People in China kept in line likely because they knew they'd be gunned down or vanished is they did a naughty thing. Police in urbanized USA if things DO go seriously south are going to have their hands full with interest, assuming they aren't busy enough already. Again, IF infection becomes widespread, and about 20% of people get symptoms that require hospitalization, you're looking at being patient No. 50,738 while they're serving ticket No. 73.

-As stated above, COVID-19 is a little different from the common flu: it spreads quite a bit faster, 20% of folks that get it end up needing hospital-level attention, it's about 20-30 times more lethal, asymptotic transmission is a thing with it, apparently symptoms can persist over a month (hence "over a month's supplies available", although that's also frankly a good standard anyways), and lastly there's no herd immunity because it's so damn new, so it could well be that EVERYONE in our utility shop gets it AT ONCE, and you have people out for possibly an entire month. Needless to say, if a bunch of docs get sick, a fair number of folks in the 20% that need medical attention might join the "dead" category. The CCP lucked out in that they were able to cordon this off and then basically direct the entire country's resources at the problem, allowing production and delivery of essentials to continue with a significantly reduced degree of disruption. Here in the USA? Again, IF it manages to become widespread all at once, really get rolling, it could be ouch time for a fair number of folks. If not, whoopie! We dodge a bullet, and I get to be VERY happy that I sounded like Chicken Little. I would very much prefer that outcome.

 

-Righto, onto the age and health bit. While this country has a lot of different workers in it, possibly the most critical are the folks in transportation, food production, and those of us in the utility crews. In my shop, we have A LOT of greybeards, and not many folks even under 55. Furthermore, a decent number are smokers/vapers. A lot of the crew maintains a backup nutrient supply on-person. All preexisting conditions, unfortunately. My shop is not unique, IIRC the average utility worker age in the USA is around 40-50 years old, with those of us in our late-20s included. Truckers, critical to keep things like medical supplies moving? Median age is about 55. Farmers? Same IIRC. So you end up with the actual impact disproportionately hitting pretty critical parts of the workforce, and your run the risk of losing a fair bit of your old "how to" knowledge. Let me say that there often is a pretty big difference in skill between old utility workers and truckers, and those of us that are new. Probably the same with a lot of other critical sectors as well.  And we're human too, unfortunately. As much as I'd like to keep my wastewater treatment plant running through thick and thin, I can't do that if I don't have trucks hauling the excess sludge out, or I'm coughing my lungs out all over my floor. Same goes for the other folks, except worse because they have families, or are older, or both. Again, you could have a severe impact to critical infrastructure and services here. And that's not going into all the other folks out there who have asthma, are overweight, smoke, or simply have to care for a sick parent or grandparent. As I said previously, even as essential personnel we CANNOT guarantee that we can help you with your electric, phone/internet, water, gas, or sewage needs!

 

- Behavior: It's a nice article, but the culture has changed A LOT since then, and IMHO sometimes a bit for the worse (though I do like that I'm not expected to marry anymore). More modern examples include the aftermath of Katrina, or some of our various riots over the years. Again, we come to that quote about a person vs. people. This is why I recommend you make sure you have the ability to take care of yourself if things come to be socially unpleasant.

 

Lastly, but not least though...

 

- My recommendations were meant as a blanket statement, to cover just about every possible situation. That means they are not tailored for any one individual's situation, or even for a particularly specific long-term disruptive event. The recommendations I made could just as easily be applied to a hurricane, tornado, earthquake, or large-scale winter storm. Likewise, the situation varies: I'm NOT worried about the lights going out, since most power where I'm at is generated with hydro and probably won't go out unless something kills a seriously remote line, the weather is warming up, but I DO have parts of town reasonably close that I wouldn't want to visit after dark even now, and I don't know my neighbors too well. Someone else may live in a VERY nice town, but have power from a LNG plant with no backup to the pipeline supply (for obvious reasons, honestly) while the weather is still cooler. Anyhow, I meant it to be something that could be tailored to a given situation, and if followed to the letter should prove frankly excessive unless things REALLY go bad, as in "the CCP lied about how nasty this is BIG TIME" levels of badness.

 

There you have it. Not intended as a horror movie plot line, but just what I'm seeing from my vantage and knowledge gathered. Hopefully none of it ends up being of use to anyone here and this Corona-chan's newest global concert album passes by with just an economic hit and a few (relatively speaking) unfortunate deaths, if any. Heck, it'll probably be somewhere in the middle of "best" and "worst", given the fact that everyone will probably give it their all, but with compromise due to ol' Murphy. I'm not trying to cause a panic, I'm just trying to give a bit of hopefully unneeded advice.

View PostMermaid_Witch, on Feb 27 2020 - 13:03, said:

So, with my "new" job at a Call Center, I now make enough money that the State of Michigan is kicking me off Medicaid.  Which means I "get" to choose between the two health insurance plans my work offers.

The first "plan" has a $4000 deductible and costs $140 per month.  So basically I'd be giving them 1,700 bucks a year for them to do absolutely nothing, because short of a massive stroke there's no way I'm using up a $4000 deductible in one year.

The second "plan" has a $1400 deductible, but costs $400 per month.  So I'd be paying them 4,800 bucks a year, or roughly 1/5 my annual income as estimated by the State of Michigan.

The third plan is to tell both plans to get bent and horde all my money like a dragon until I drop dead because of some easily treatable disease/condition.

I'm leaning plan 3.  Anyone else have suggestions?

Depends on your home economics. How much is rent, etc, how much of your income is left over... All that. Assuming you have the money, I'd go with number 1, as health insurance is best used to cover major events like a broken leg, surgery, etc, as opposed to general medical expenses. Also, the second plan basically costs your entire deductible per year compared to the first plan, so you're basically going with No. 1 anyway, with a bit of interest.

1700 + 4000 = 5700/year

4800 + 1400 = 6200/year

Not a pleasant position, but there you have it. I'd have to agree with FK on this one.



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View PostCruiser_Katori, on Feb 27 2020 - 18:28, said:

Ooooh, you make that yourself? It's purdy. And that set of tubes in the stowage bin, are they supposed to be unfired AT rockets?

 

 

I kitbashed it myself, but the base model is a Wargaming model, as are all the parts tacked on to it. It has bits from the Chieftain, the M18, the M41, the Black Prince, and a bunch of other tanks. The tubes are cased 120mm APDS rounds (specifically scaled up 105mm rounds from the hull of the Char Futur 4).



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Looks like Turkey is going to declare war on Syria, due to dozens of Turkish soldiers being killed in Syrian air strikes.

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View PostZergling, on Feb 27 2020 - 21:19, said:

Looks like Turkey is going to declare war on Syria, due to dozens of Turkish soldiers being killed in Syrian air strikes.

 

Hell.

 



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View PostZergling, on Feb 27 2020 - 17:19, said:

Looks like Turkey is going to declare war on Syria, due to dozens of Turkish soldiers being killed in Syrian air strikes.

How delightful... Dust, bombshell blasts, soldiers constantly moving, and refugees running. An optimal environment for the spread of contagious disease. Well, at least they haven't hauled out any deliberate CBRN. Yet.






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