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Starne #10161 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 18:50

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View Poststalkervision, on Jul 17 2017 - 12:36, said:

HAWKS..I saw one swoop down and carry off a big squirrel in a blink of a eye. A roaming house cat looking for love or little birds would be a tasty treat. Think a cat could fight one? They hit like a freight train and sink their sharp talons deep into whatever they attack.

 

 better not watch this...

 

One of my family members once saw a large owl fly off with a kitten in it's talons.

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RitaGamer #10162 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 18:55

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Goldenrinho you forget I live in a sailor town,

 

I would not be surprised if the foxes here wore leather jackets and had shivs and drove around in bike gangs. 


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GoldMountain #10163 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 18:56

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View PostStarne, on Jul 17 2017 - 17:35, said:

 

The cynic in me feels the need to point out that this'll be a lot harder for them to bury, and will probably garner a lot more widespread attention and outrage, because the person the trigger happy cops shot this time was a blonde white woman.

 

More that she was an expat... That always makes huge news. Didn't even know there was another victim from this one until killjoy mentioned it.



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View PostStarne, on Jul 17 2017 - 12:35, said:

 

The cynic in me feels the need to point out that this'll be a lot harder for them to bury, and will probably garner a lot more widespread attention and outrage, because the person the trigger happy cops shot this time was a blonde white woman.

 

The cynic in me says they will spin this as protecting America from a filthy foreigner.

DerViktim #10165 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 18:58

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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Jul 17 2017 - 12:45, said:

 

Here, there was no reintroduction.  They've come a problem all on their own. 

 

Part of the problem here is that wolves used to control the coyotes as natural rivals and competitors, keeping the coyotes small, scavenging, and isolated.  Without wolves, the coyotes have slowly become bigger, more aggressive, and more social, having no fear of being attacked by the larger and more "organized" wolf packs.  And they're far more numerous and far less choosy than the wolves would have been -- they don't restrict their own breeding like wolves do, and they'll still kill and eat anything they can get. 

 

It's so bad that open season is pretty much in effect on coyotes... if they're on your property, and you shoot them, state game officials aren't going to ask any questions, or even care if you tell them about it, as it's just assumed that they were threatening or damaging something. 

 

 

Apparently I did not remember correctly. Coyotes showed up all on their own in the 1930s-40s. http://www.dec.ny.go...mals/9359.html 

 

View PostGoldMountain, on Jul 17 2017 - 12:56, said:

 

More that she was an expat... That always makes huge news. Didn't even know there was another victim from this one until killjoy mentioned it.

 

I haven't even seen any of the US news outlets mention it yet. They've been going all ga-ga over a 4 person killing in Pennsylvania.



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View Poststalkervision, on Jul 17 2017 - 17:36, said:

HAWKS..I saw one swoop down and carry off a big squirrel in a blink of a eye. A roaming house cat looking for love or little birds would be a tasty treat. Think a cat could fight one? They hit like a freight train and sink their sharp talons deep into whatever they attack.

 

 better not watch this...

 

Oh for f***s sake. 
There is absolutely no need to post something like that.

Please take it down.



Starne #10167 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 19:07

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View PostGoldMountain, on Jul 17 2017 - 12:56, said:

 

More that she was an expat... That always makes huge news. Didn't even know there was another victim from this one until killjoy mentioned it.

 

There is no other victim that I'm aware of. What Killjoy is referring to is that this is occurred in the same city where a cop shot a motorist to death, apparently on the grounds that he A): was Black and B): told the police officer that he had a handgun (that he legally owned and had a permit for).

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stalkervision #10168 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 19:08

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View PostStarne, on Jul 17 2017 - 12:50, said:

 

One of my family members once saw a large owl fly off with a kitten in it's talons.

 

Big predator birds are always on the hunt especially when they have young to feed. Lot of times they will just swoop in and carry off their victim in a blink of a eye.  



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View PostGoldMountain, on Jul 17 2017 - 12:56, said:

 

More that she was an expat... That always makes huge news. Didn't even know there was another victim from this one until killjoy mentioned it.

 

The other one was from last year. 

 

https://en.wikipedia...hilando_Castile

 

I had forgotten that the officer was from another department, so not also Minneapolis PD.  

 

However, from what we know about the more recent incident, and what we absolutely know about the Castile incident, both officers were simply trigger-happy under-trained idiots who shouldn't have been police officers.  The not-guilty verdict in the charges against Jeronimo Yanez was an effing travesty and miscarriage of justice.

 



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The police will conduct a fair and unbiased investigation of themselves and find themselves innocent of all wrong doing.

stalkervision #10171 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 19:20

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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Jul 17 2017 - 13:12, said:

 

The other one was from last year. 

 

https://en.wikipedia...hilando_Castile

 

I had forgotten that the officer was from another department, so not also Minneapolis PD.  

 

However, from what we know about the more recent incident, and what we absolutely know about the Castile incident, both officers were simply trigger-happy under-trained idiots who shouldn't have been police officers.  The not-guilty verdict in the charges against Jeronimo Yanez was an effing travesty and miscarriage of justice.

 

 



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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Jul 17 2017 - 13:12, said:

 

The other one was from last year. 

 

https://en.wikipedia...hilando_Castile

 

I had forgotten that the officer was from another department, so not also Minneapolis PD.  

 

However, from what we know about the more recent incident, and what we absolutely know about the Castile incident, both officers were simply trigger-happy under-trained idiots who shouldn't have been police officers.  The not-guilty verdict in the charges against Jeronimo Yanez was an effing travesty and miscarriage of justice.

 

 

I honestly think it's a much more broad problem than under-trained and trigger-happy cops. In my experience, an ever-increasing numbers of cops (as distinct from police officers) see themselves as some kind of Judge Dredd-esque enforcement officers, rather than civil servants responsible for protecting the public. Frankly, a worrying number seem to take it to the point of seeing themselves as a kind of paramilitary occupying force, and the public (not just "certain kinds of people", but the public in general) as a "them" (note the increasing tendency of law enforcement to use the term "Civilian", as if they themselves are not only not civilians, but somehow separate from the public) at best, and an adversary at worst.

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View Postcipher12, on Jul 17 2017 - 08:15, said:

The police will conduct a fair and unbiased investigation of themselves and find themselves innocent of all wrong doing.

 

:D ... that logic reminds me of the traditional courtroom practice "Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, ... < in your jurisdiction you ask the witness to place a hand on or hold the Bible. >

 

Note that I have nothing against the bible or Christianity, or most religions for that matter ... but it occurs to me that this situation may be fundamentally compromised by the intrinsic nature of motivations other than 'seeking truth' ... where personal honor is the primary mechanism for its success.


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View PostKenshin2kx, on Jul 17 2017 - 13:24, said:

 

:D ... that logic reminds me of the traditional courtroom practice "Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, ... < in your jurisdiction you ask the witness to place a hand on or hold the Bible. >

 

Note that I have nothing against the bible or Christianity, or most religions for that matter ... but it occurs to me that this situation may be fundamentally compromised by the intrinsic nature of motivations other than 'seeking truth' ... where personal honor is the primary mechanism for its success.

 

The FBI is worse. :)

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View PostStarne, on Jul 17 2017 - 13:22, said:

I honestly think it's a much more broad problem than under-trained and trigger-happy cops. In my experience, an ever-increasing numbers of cops (as distinct from police officers) see themselves as some kind of Judge Dredd-esque enforcement officers, rather than civil servants responsible for protecting the public. Frankly, a worrying number seem to take it to the point of seeing themselves as a kind of paramilitary occupying force, and the public (not just "certain kinds of people", but the public in general) as a "them" (note the increasing tendency of law enforcement to use the term "Civilian", as if they themselves are not only not civilians, but somehow separate from the public) at best, and an adversary at worst.

 

Better training and different emphasis would eliminate the way some police feel constantly under threat. 

 

But yes, the "occupation mentality" and using the word "civilian" to refer to non-police needs to be stamped out as well, also as part of different training and emphasis. 

 


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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Jul 17 2017 - 13:34, said:

 

Better training and different emphasis would eliminate the way come police feel constantly under threat. 

 

But yes, the "occupation mentality" and using the word "civilian" to refer to non-police needs to be stamped out as well, also as part of different training and emphasis. 

 

 

One factor, in my opinion, is that there has been this idea that has been built up over time that the police are "At war". At war with: "Drugs", "Crime", ect, ect. Police don't wage war, soldiers do, and by blurring that line and putting law enforcement in that self-constructed "war-fighter" mentality, we've opened the door to things ranging from heavily-armed police battering down the wrong door in the middle of the night and shooting the home-owner's geriatric retriever, to people being gunned down in cold blood in the street.

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View Postcipher12, on Jul 17 2017 - 13:15, said:

The police will conduct a fair and unbiased investigation of themselves and find themselves innocent of all wrong doing.

 

The officer in question was found not guilty in a jury trial. The officer in question lost his job. At a minimum the police department got it right after the fact even though the jury found him not guilty.

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  Interesting..

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In other nerd related news, a friend of mine purchased the new Lego Saturn V rocket kit and finished it yesterday on the anniversary of the Apollo 11 launch. It is flipping huge, and gloriously awesome.

 

edit: Full disclosure, Adam Savage is not somebody that I know IRL, but this seemed the best way to share the awesomeness that is the Saturn V rocket Lego.

 


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