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The Grille-15 is not totally OP, see why. And stop the nerf please Wargaming.


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_BR_WiLL #1 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 12:11

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Please do not nerf the grille15,  Do not put this update on the normal server.

Grille 15, Server test 9.17.1:


 

The penetration of his cannon is 279mm, 15cm cannon, among the HTs the cannon 15 cm it is one of the smallest. and 15s full crew and large-caliber and brother in arms, this is ridiculous, Compared to T110E3, OBJ 268 and other HT tier IX with the same caliber 155mm + with 13.6/13.9 Seconds of recharge Full. At least turn the recharge settings of the GRILLE-15 cannon as it was before, the only good thing this tank has is cannon, because his defense is the worst of all, with HE kills easily. When he is spotted is the first to be focused by his enemies. Slowed the engine and the rear speed, to make matters even worse, it already has the slow firing speed. The OBJ 268 152MM caliber he has 303MM penetration, t110e3 155MM caliber he has 295MM penetration and they have 13s+ to recharge without mentioning the defense of their armor, even worse the E3.


 


 

 


 


 


 


 


 



Slayer_Jesse #2 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 12:18

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its as fast, if not faster, than most medium tanks, with aimtime that belongs on a low caliber gun, not a 155m doom cannon with decent camo.

 

deserved nerf is deserved.



Scorpiany #3 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 12:48

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It has far better mobility, flexibility and gun reliability than any of the other TD's though.

 

Plus, the nerf isn't going to kill it - Just makes it a bit less flexible. It's still going to be a great TD; just a little bit more balanced now.



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View Post_BR_WiLL, on Feb 14 2017 - 21:11, said:

Please do not nerf the grille15,  Do not put this update on the normal server.

Grille 15, Server test 9.17.1:


 

The penetration of his cannon is 279mm, 15cm cannon, among the HTs the cannon 15 cm it is one of the smallest. and 15s full crew and large-caliber and brother in arms, this is ridiculous, Compared to T110E3, OBJ 268 and other HT tier IX with the same caliber 155mm + with 13.6/13.9 Seconds of recharge Full. At least turn the recharge settings of the GRILLE-15 cannon as it was before, the only good thing this tank has is cannon, because his defense is the worst of all, with HE kills easily. When he is spotted is the first to be focused by his enemies. Slowed the engine and the rear speed, to make matters even worse, it already has the slow firing speed. The OBJ 268 152MM caliber he has 303MM penetration, t110e3 155MM caliber he has 295MM penetration and they have 13s+ to recharge without mentioning the defense of their armor, even worse the E3.


 


 

 


 


 


 


 


 

 

if you think the 268 reloads faster, you are wrong.

Xits #5 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 13:41

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LOL QUALITY BAIT 

YANKEE137 #6 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 14:48

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Wasn't Grille a replacement for an earlier OP vehicle? They seem to have trouble with this slot.

Mercer_Keel #7 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 15:12

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So much salt over the waffle being op, now so much salt over the grille being op. Why can't you people just deal with stuff?

Slayer_Jesse #8 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 15:58

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View PostMercer_Keel, on Feb 14 2017 - 09:12, said:

So much salt over the waffle being op, now so much salt over the grille being op. Why can't you people just deal with stuff?

 

Because game balance is important?

 

(or so ive heard. Not that WG know what that is.)



Metagross555 #9 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 16:20

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Grille 15 is best medium tank right now

Gurdy2383 #10 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 16:22

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You don't mention the mobility so, yeah, when you're driving it probably isn't OP.

Slntreaper #11 Posted Feb 14 2017 - 16:35

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This line is cursed.  First the waffle, now this.

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View PostSlayer_Jesse, on Feb 14 2017 - 06:58, said:

 

Because game balance is important?

 

(or so ive heard. Not that WG know what that is.)

 

There will never be balance. If you buff one thing or nerf one thing then something else moved up the list. Balance takes away variety. 

 

So is balance that important?



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Visual comparison for the three tanks you mention:

http://tanks.gg/wot/...bj-268.c:t110e3

 

If you think the accuracy, aim time, mobility, and shell velocity don't make up for the low armor, slower reload time, and equal/lower pen, I don't know how else to help you.

 



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View Post_BR_WiLL, on Feb 14 2017 - 03:11, said:

Please do not nerf the grille15,  Do not put this update on the normal server.

Grille 15, Server test 9.17.1:

 

The penetration of his cannon is 279mm, 15cm cannon, among the HTs the cannon 15 cm it is one of the smallest. and 15s full crew and large-caliber and brother in arms, this is ridiculous, Compared to T110E3, OBJ 268 and other HT tier IX with the same caliber 155mm + with 13.6/13.9 Seconds of recharge Full. At least turn the recharge settings of the GRILLE-15 cannon as it was before, the only good thing this tank has is cannon, because his defense is the worst of all, with HE kills easily. When he is spotted is the first to be focused by his enemies. Slowed the engine and the rear speed, to make matters even worse, it already has the slow firing speed. The OBJ 268 152MM caliber he has 303MM penetration, t110e3 155MM caliber he has 295MM penetration and they have 13s+ to recharge without mentioning the defense of their armor, even worse the E3.

 

1.) They aren't changing the penetration parameters whatsoever

2.) The tank was too mobile as it is, it's better this way

3.) Armor means nothing if you know where to aim, not to mention my first shot at large tank destroyers is right in the gun with an HE round

 

 



_BR_WiLL #15 Posted Feb 16 2017 - 18:04

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About tanks cannon 15CM, 155MM,152MM:


 

Really ? Grille OP lol, decrease the speed and others things It's ok but increasing the recharge time is very ridiculous.

T110E3 full crew, brother in arms, large caliber and ventilation class 3 = 13,92s, penetration 295MM, OBS: defense armor probability at weak point 40%+

others is impossible instant ricochet.


 

Grille 15 full crew, brother in arms and large caliber. Reload 15.19s, Penetration 279MM, OBS: no defense armor.


 

OBJ 268 full crew, brother in arms, large caliber and ventilation class 3, Penetration 303MM, OBS: defense armor probability at weak point 50%-

others = ricochet.


 



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View PostSlayer_Jesse, on Feb 14 2017 - 08:58, said:

 

Because game balance is important?

 

(or so ive heard. Not that WG know what that is.)

 

High tier autoloaders? Running in wolf packs? LOL. The Grille 15 in it's current form actually allows me to deal with autoloaders. I can get to where they go, smack them for 750, and blunt their momentum. I tend to think the cry to nerf the grille 15 comes from A.) Bads, and B.) A certain element of wolfpack high tier autoloading power toon players.

 

It is a great medium, it works well against other fast movers, I don't understand all the angst, just wolfpack them after they fire, and finish them off. Oh wait, someone might have to take a hit, can't have that now can we?



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They don't want the Grille to be a puesdo medium. 

Vanatorr #18 Posted Feb 20 2017 - 19:44

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Well, honestly, some ​of the nerfs may be acceptable. The engine power probably should be reduced, since the Grille 15 was able to out-perform some medium tanks in maneuverability. Also, reload should be increased, since it is soo accurate over other TDs. And so I think they have the right idea now. At first I was infuriated by the nerf to it, but now I see that some ​of the proposed nerfs are deserved. Okay, the nerf I don't like is the reverse speed. 15 over 20 isn't a good idea imho. I would say something like 17 or 18 km would be the best, since it has no armor whatsoever. Also, I would lower the vehicle's collision model and give it better camo, thus justifying the -7 gun depression.

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OMFG  so sick of them nerfing tanks that need to be left alone ffs,    first they replace the auf e 100 and take away the auto loader then they restrict the turret traverse to crap.  now they making it less DPM when it is so easy to f kill .

They ruined the  f  hellcat  it barely moves in  reverse  and is crap trying to turn it when it is at a stand still, Now they doing the same  f thing to the grille 15,

 

And one person said below its the best medium now , lmbo it is not a medium it is a f  td.    Let it be  F  td   not a ruined nerf  pos


Edited by Kovarr, Feb 23 2017 - 19:38.


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WG should have never Nerfed this tank, most players that complain do not own this tank and therefore their opinion should not matter.

They did not put the effort in to grinding it and therefore they should not have part in opinion of how much it should reward you. This tank is badly

broken, biggest deficit is the hull traverse and turret traverse angle, these two make this tank worst then the WT PZ 4. IF WG wants to

listen to people who don't own it then they should switch out the places from tier 10 with WT Pz. 4 with better gun handling stats, camo, and better mobility.

As it stands right now Grille15 does not belong in tier 10, my advice  to WG is to never listen to players who don't own that tank, if you do then just develop

game mechanics that handicap great players cause I am sure bad players complain of them being OP also.


Edited by Sidekick2016, Mar 30 2017 - 16:21.





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