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Faeded #141 Posted Aug 23 2011 - 15:14

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I was highly disappointed with this tank early on, but I have since changed my mind.

With everything unlocked and more games under belt, I will say the grind is equal to that of the 4502H. Before engines it's just god awful. I had most of it unlocked from having the Maus pre patch but engines are just a must with suspension. With final engine this tank is just amazing.



She handles like a dream in urban settings. I have been using it to flank and spank.

Open terrain is different. You are an arty magnet, so you really have to have cover 90% of the time or drive a little fancy and be utterly cautious.

I enjoy playing it now.

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Rykel #142 Posted Aug 23 2011 - 15:36

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I really enjoy playing my E-75 and the last engine is a must .
I find  higher tier tanks are trying to shoot for my mud flaps and miss alot , but in the process i'm getting tracked more so than any other tank i've played .

KilljoyCutter #143 Posted Aug 23 2011 - 15:45

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View Postteamoldmill, on Aug 22 2011 - 16:35, said:

Umm, Germans suffer the same. Difference is, our hulls are twice as big and tall and our turrets are not as strong.

Both 4502s, the E-75, the E-100, and the Maus all have thin front hull armor?  

What game have you been playing?

teamoldmill #144 Posted Aug 24 2011 - 05:50

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View PostKilljoyCutter, on Aug 23 2011 - 15:45, said:

Both 4502s, the E-75, the E-100, and the Maus all have thin front hull armor?  

What game have you been playing?
Yes, yes they do. Remember, their lower hull is as big as the complete front hull of your tank. Maus only has the license plate weakness, but that is pretty big as well. Shoot for the lower hull, flaps, boom. Bonus because you set them on fire from the front.

Besides, just shoot the E-75 in the flaps. Maus in the turret beside the mantlet. Oddly, the 4502 is the toughest of the bunch in my eyes. I have all but the E-100 and the 4502 is the best tank in my opinion.

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View Postteamoldmill, on Aug 24 2011 - 05:50, said:

Yes, yes they do. Remember, their lower hull is as big as the complete front hull of your tank. Maus only has the license plate weakness, but that is pretty big as well. Shoot for the lower hull, flaps, boom. Bonus because you set them on fire from the front.

Besides, just shoot the E-75 in the flaps. Maus in the turret beside the mantlet. Oddly, the 4502 is the toughest of the bunch in my eyes. I have all but the E-100 and the 4502 is the best tank in my opinion.
The lower hull on every tank is big.

The Maus weakspots are not easy to penetrate, with the 128cm(reg AP), penetrating the Maus on the weakspots is 50/50.
Also, a smart Maus player will angle their armor so that they make the license plate really hard to pen, and the sides are also really hard to pen at any angle.

Shooting the E75 flaps is not guaranteed to do damage, because the weakspot is the slightly angle hull, no the actual mudflaps. Also, every E75 player should wiggle their tank whenever they notice an enemy is aiming at the mudflaps.

Also, LOL at you saying that German heavies have thin armor(except for the Tiger). Are we playing the same game?

KilljoyCutter #146 Posted Aug 24 2011 - 14:58

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Indeed, people need to read the thread again, if they think it's just "mudflaps".  The weakness is inherent in the design of the tank -- it has a slight angle where the hull overlaps the tracks, allowing a front shot to strike an area armored with less than 20mm.  

Now, as an American heavy, hitting that area from any real distance, while not getting shot by the E-75 in your own hull, is something of a challenge.  I've pretty much gone to HE and trying to hit there.  If I get lucky, I put an HE shell into a little area that it can penetrate.

Pzk6 #147 Posted Aug 24 2011 - 18:51

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shoot right under gun with HE

Kyoji #148 Posted Aug 24 2011 - 22:02

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View PostMeoow, on Aug 13 2011 - 08:11, said:

You are not taking "weak lower hull" on EVERY German tanks into account, are you?

Let's me ask you, between IS4 driver hatch and German tank lower-hull, Which one is bigger? Which one is more visible and Which one is easier to hit at long range?

Not only that, is there any other weak spots on the IS4 frontal? Yes, the lower hull but it's so small and hard to hit even at close range. It bounces more often as well. That would make 1 and a half weak spots on IS4 frontal. The turret is impenetrable so it's out of the question.

Ok now, E-75 weak spots:

1. Mud Guard (can be pen by even tier 3 tanks as shown on youtube)
2. Lower hull (huge target)
3. Range finders on both side of the turret (can be pen by tier 4 tanks)
4. Commander port

Most of these weak spots can easily hit at medium-long range. I drive E-75 and I know it very well. Even without mud guard bug, E-75 still can be dealt with easily.
so your argument is that the E-75 isn't as good as the OVERPOWERED IS-4? So you want the tank to be OP just like the IS-4?

The VK Ausf B AND the T34 can EASILY get penetrated on the sides of their tank. The T34 takes a crap ton of damage from even low tier tanks and the T34 can be hit anywhere not on the turret and be penetrated.

The Commanders port is hard to hit unless your driving in a German tank or up close. Russian tanks won't be hitting it often at range. The range finders are a non-factor. You hit the turret 99% of the time and bounce. The lower hull is the only place to hit realistically and it will bounce if the E-75 isn't bad and is tilting the tank.

Everyone complaining about the E-75 needs to play the Ausfb B or the T34 and cry in those threads as the E-75 outclasses both of them several fold.

Wahya #149 Posted Aug 24 2011 - 22:29

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hmmmmmmm <_<

im on my Tiger and getting to the E-75......

now i know its weakness <_<

qvq #150 Posted Aug 25 2011 - 01:45

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View PostBigCheese256, on Aug 11 2011 - 03:03, said:

So yeah, I had seen far too many lower tier vehicles penetrating my front via the mudflaps, so myself and a friend did some testing.

M22 Locust, 56mm penetration. Damaged track only. No hit point damage.

M4A3E8 Sherman, 128mm penetration. Destroyed track with most shots. No hit point damage.

T-44, 175mm penetration. Destroyed track with most shots. Penetrated for full damage with most shots.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/2589/worldoftanks20110811023.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2589/worldoftanks20110811023.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2589/worldoftanks20110811023.jpg

IS-3, 225mm penetration. Destroyed track with most shots. Penetrated for high damage with most shots.

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8952/worldoftanks20110811022.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8952/worldoftanks20110811022.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8952/worldoftanks20110811022.jpg

So tier 6+ has no trouble penetrating the E-75's front via this weakness. This is an utter joke and something HAS to be done.

A few patches back the Maus had this very same weakness - you shoot the mud flaps, you deal full damage with lower tier guns. To fix this, the devs made them "transparent". Shoot the mud flaps and you kill the track, but deal 0 damage to the vehicle. What I am asking is a similar fix for the E-75 (and E-50, I believe it has this weakness too). Make it so mud flap shots kill the track but don't deal hit point damage.

so what you are saying is you want them to remove the only area on the front that can be penetrated.  so from what i can tell is you want this to be an is-4 without the is-4's front weakness.

IS-4 can be penetrated by tier6 and up always if you shoot replacement track pads in the front lower hull.

And with 200+ pen you can almost always penetrate the drivers sights

If they added in similar weakness when removing the track weakness that in your words "HAS" to be fixed so you can have a t95 with speed.

If they "fix" this i am rolling an e-75 in clan wars will be more godly at tanking than a maus.

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View Postqvq, on Aug 25 2011 - 01:45, said:

so what you are saying is you want them to remove the only area on the front that can be penetrated.  so from what i can tell is you want this to be an is-4 without the is-4's front weakness.

  • Commander's Cupola is larger and easier to hit at range.
  • HE weakness in front of the turret.
  • Mud guards.
  • Lower glacis plate (IS-4 has this weakness as well).
  • Much thinner sides.


Wh1skey_jack #152 Posted Aug 25 2011 - 10:50

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most of the shots to the mudflaps dont even damage the tank, just the tracks. the drivers sights on the is-4 are way easier to hit...

WarStore #153 Posted Aug 25 2011 - 14:45

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I just got one shot frontally by a T20... WTF!!!

Charlex #154 Posted Aug 25 2011 - 15:32

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View PostWarStore, on Aug 25 2011 - 14:45, said:

I just got one shot frontally by a T20... WTF!!!

Are you kidding???

Well, in the test server I got one shot by a Hummel, mind you, it was test 2, before the horrible nerfing!

WarStore #155 Posted Aug 25 2011 - 15:57

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Not kidding. Normally, T20 can't even think to penetrate a tier 9 frontally, but this one managed to destroy one in one hit.

Pravda #156 Posted Aug 25 2011 - 16:00

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The M3 has 243 pen with APCR, so it's not that strange. I had a Slugger shoot through my front a couple of days ago as well.

"People don't use premium shells in random battles" my ass.

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View PostWarStore, on Aug 25 2011 - 14:45, said:

I just got one shot frontally by a T20... WTF!!!

That was very unlucky. The shot must have gone through your mud guard and hit the side armour behind your track, since that's where the ammo rack is.

View PostPravda, on Aug 25 2011 - 16:00, said:

"People don't use premium shells in random battles" my ass.

Well, there is a 60% discount on gold shells which has been going for a while now. Lots of people have been using gold rounds. Yesterday in my E-100 I was against a gold firing tier 10 3 games in a row. 2 IS-7s and a Maus.




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