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Silversound #1 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 18:48

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For my first fifteen-thousand games, I did not use Auto-Aim.*

Coming from the Battlefield series, I arrogantly viewed it as a cheat.

 

Now at 30k+, I've realized I haven't been using Stop and Fire.

What might I also be overlooking by not utilizing this game feature?

 

*These days, I abuse Auto-Aim Prem-Spam like a madman in certain scenarios and love it!



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #2 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 18:55

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View PostSilversound, on Feb 25 2017 - 10:48, said:

 

*These days, I abuse Auto-Aim Prem-Spam like a madman in certain scenarios and love it!

minus the prem spam(i dont use prem rounds...cant afford them)

i abuse the auto aim as well =D  cant play scout without it xD

 

if u went 30k battles without stopping to aiming then thats impressive o.o



Ndtm #3 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 18:58

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Feb 25 2017 - 18:55, said:

minus the prem spam(i dont use prem rounds...cant afford them)

i abuse the auto aim as well =D  cant play scout without it xD

 

if u went 30k battles without stopping to aiming then thats impressive o.o

He's probably talking about the 'stop and fire' in the keybinds under 'cruise control' which when pressed makes the tank come to a halt and once you press the mouse button to fire it automatically accelerates again, a pretty useless function for most people



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #4 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 19:01

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View PostNdtm, on Feb 25 2017 - 10:58, said:

He's probably talking about the 'stop and fire' in the keybinds under 'cruise control' which when pressed makes the tank come to a halt and once you press the mouse button to fire it automatically accelerates again, a pretty useless function for most people

......did not know of that...

 

theres at least 4 people i know of who could use that <.<



tow2_b #5 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 19:08

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yeah, I think it's mapped to the space bar by default - when you press it it brakes your tank automatically to a stop, then once you fire you're automatically back at full power. Pretty much same as just what you do with WASD keys by reflex I think, I've never really found it useful enough to use it often, but maybe someone will provide some reasons to consider it.

 

Plus, it's dangerous to totally stop and aim most of the time, unless it's right after spawn on one of the open maps and a scout jumps into field to light their tanks in spawn. Then you can stop (and need to because of long range aim) and pound away without too much danger of return fire... 



galspanic #6 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 19:34

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I will come forward and sound like a dope, but what's Stop and Fire?

WhoDat65 #7 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 19:35

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Wow.  I've never heard of the stop and fire function.  In light tanks I find auto aim useful in mid to short range but only against other lights and squishy meds and heavies.  At long range I usually just zoom in on the fly, fire and pray.  Against heavier armored tanks auto aim is not very effective unless you can get behind them.  You have to aim even on the move to ensure penetrations.  It's not how many time you shoot but how many times you penetrate I suppose.  This is especially true in competitive play.  That's my 2 cents but it was probably worth less.

warrior531 #8 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 19:46

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Before there was a "handbrake" function for the space bar, the space bar worked as a stop and fire. While you were moving in cruise control, if you pressed space, your vehicle would stop. If you pressed space again without touching any other move keys, your vehicle would continue moving at the same speed as your cruise control was set. 

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What keys are stop and fire and what keys are cruise control?

Overdile_Spittle #10 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 20:07

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Most tanks have three forward and reverse speeds.   Tap the letter 'R' once and you are in first gear, again for second gear and finally once more for third gear.   The same holds true with using the 'F' key for reverse.  Hence if you tap 'R' twice, you are in effect using cruise control.  Here is where the space bar is used; press the space bar and your tank will stop, fire a shell and you will resume forward acceleration.

 

I have know about this for years,  I do not use it in game.

 

I correct myself.  I do use this in game....   when playing arty in TD mode.   If I am in close quarters and need to move while yet somewhat aimed.  I drive my arty in first gear.  It lessens the bloom dramatically so you can still get off a close quarters, accurate shot.


Edited by Overdile_Spittle, Feb 25 2017 - 20:09.


TankFullOfBourbon #11 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 20:14

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View PostSilversound, on Feb 25 2017 - 18:48, said:

 

For my first fifteen-thousand games, I did not use Auto-Aim.*

Coming from the Battlefield series, I arrogantly viewed it as a cheat.

 

Now at 30k+, I've realized I haven't been using Stop and Fire.

What might I also be overlooking by not utilizing this game feature?

 

*These days, I abuse Auto-Aim Prem-Spam like a madman in certain scenarios and love it!

 

Did you ever notice the square on the low right of your screen? The mini map?



Silversound #12 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 20:16

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Oh I'm sorry, was that supposed to be witty?

BigRebOne #13 Posted Feb 25 2017 - 20:30

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Thanks Overdile.  That makes sense.  

Blackhorse_Requiem #14 Posted Feb 26 2017 - 12:29

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View Postgalspanic, on Feb 25 2017 - 13:34, said:

I will come forward and sound like a dope, but what's Stop and Fire?

 

In addition to the game-side explanation, this was a Real World method of engagement before the age of stabilization (and is a current default method when the stabe system is broken) by which a moving tank stopped "just long enough" to give itself a stable platform to shoot from. Before the age of stabilization, most tanks practiced this method of engagement, later to become known in the US Army as a Short Halt.

 

Short Halt gunnery improves the chances of a first-round hit when compared to the elevated odds against a first-round hit when firing while on the move without the aid of a stabilizer. No tank should ever fire more than two rounds from the Short Halt because every second spent stationary is time the enemy can use to sharpen his acquisition.

 

More often than not, two rounds out is one too many and no longer qualifies to be described as a Short Halt.


Edited by Blackhorse_Requiem, Feb 27 2017 - 00:05.


SquishMitten89 #15 Posted Feb 26 2017 - 14:19

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Never used it. I quickly ended up binding my "6th" slot to it and placing my fire extinguisher on it or quick use.

cheapbooks #16 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 19:08

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you said: "Plus, it's dangerous to totally stop and aim most of the time"

 

I often stop a second before firing in order to improve the aim, and repeat the process.



DreHead #17 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 19:41

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i wonder if it might be a valid tactic to auto-aim a target while you close the distance, hit one button, stop for a fraction of time and fire then keep going? knew it was there, just never really thought about using it.

t6c #18 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 20:14

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Another option is to:

  1. Stop
  2. Go in reverse
  3. Short halt (spacebar)
  4. Fire, and automatically back up

This works well whenever I remember to use it.



OldFrog75 #19 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 22:13

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View PostOverdile_Spittle, on Feb 25 2017 - 20:07, said:

Most tanks have three forward and reverse speeds.   Tap the letter 'R' once and you are in first gear, again for second gear and finally once more for third gear.   The same holds true with using the 'F' key for reverse.  Hence if you tap 'R' twice, you are in effect using cruise control.  Here is where the space bar is used; press the space bar and your tank will stop, fire a shell and you will resume forward acceleration.

 

3 gears?  Really?  It always seemed to me there were only 2.  Is "normal" forward the same as 3rd gear?

 



Overdile_Spittle #20 Posted Apr 24 2017 - 20:56

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View PostOldFrog75, on Apr 17 2017 - 22:13, said:

 

 

Yes, pressing the W button is full speed (3rd gear).  However if you press the 'r' button once you will travel in first gear.   About 30% speed.   As I had stated try this while using an spg in close quarters (td mode), you will not bloom nearly as much yet still be on the move.




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