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OddKilla #281 Posted Oct 28 2011 - 01:41

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View PostMaxMike, on Oct 26 2011 - 17:55, said:

The 105 and last engine make this tank.
I hope you are right. I was thinking the 105 already made the tank, I'm about 20K shy of the final engine, since I do not want to spend free-xp on it. I'm already loving the slowest of the mediums, cannot wait for it to get better.

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View PostOddKilla, on Oct 28 2011 - 01:41, said:

I hope you are right. I was thinking the 105 already made the tank, I'm about 20K shy of the final engine, since I do not want to spend free-xp on it. I'm already loving the slowest of the mediums, cannot wait for it to get better.

Honestly the engine changes the E-50 more than the gun does.

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I can't wait to get the final gun and engine. I'm running it with the Maybach 234 and 88/L100 right now, and I must say that while the acceleration is rather lacking it makes the E-50 a rather nice Panther-style sniper.

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View PostLandsraad, on Oct 25 2011 - 21:51, said:

The Patton and E-50 seem rather balanced to me.  The Patton is squishier, but also more maneuverable.  A smart Patton can easily defeat an E-50 up close, while a dumb one at any range is what an E-50 calls "lunch". It's just my luck I always run into the smart Pattons that gang up and get me in a three-on-one peek-a-boo match.  :rolleyes:
Equal drivers the patton will NEVER win up close. Yes 3v1 it will lose but no way 1v1 if the e50 driver knows how to use his machine.  Any range the t54 and patton are just outclassed.  Drive the e50 like you stole it and dont care about the repair bill and the other t9 meds lose horribly.  I havent seen a t54 able to circle of death a e50 ever, except when its modules are trashed etc.  The e50 can literally spin in place and take the hits frontally while the t54 shows his side.  Once its tracked its dead. Th patton hits hard but its soft.
Maybe im biased as I dont have the other t9 meds.  Havent lost a 1v1 fight against any other med in my e50 when our hp are roughly the same at the start.

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View PostOddKilla, on Oct 28 2011 - 01:41, said:

I hope you are right. I was thinking the 105 already made the tank, I'm about 20K shy of the final engine, since I do not want to spend free-xp on it. I'm already loving the slowest of the mediums, cannot wait for it to get better.
My first thoughts upon installing the final engine were "THIS is how this tank is supposed to play!"

It's a huuuuge change in acceleration. I recommend throwing the 5% engine consumable on it instead of the fire extinguisher for that extra bit. :)

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View Posttritium4ever, on Oct 28 2011 - 02:19, said:

Honestly the engine changes the E-50 more than the gun does.

Yea if I had it to do over again I would get the last engine before the 105, the engine makes that much difference.

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View Postbigbadwolf667, on Oct 18 2011 - 19:57, said:

Keep your ideas about my front plate to yourself buddy.  :Smile-izmena:

I'll admit that it's coming from a convert to the Soviet tree for my main tree, from the German one.

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View Posttritium4ever, on Oct 28 2011 - 02:19, said:

Honestly the engine changes the E-50 more than the gun does.

This.

Also as per overlord blog, they are reducing the normalization parameter of AP and APCR shells. As such, both the upper frontal and lower frontal glacis will be much more effective due to their slope. Can't wait for T-54s/pattons, who are already hard pressed to frontally pen you with regular AP with just a bit of angling, to bounce round after round off of your frontal glacis. :Smile-playing:

OddKilla #289 Posted Oct 29 2011 - 14:45

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How many degrees of angle should I try to get, just as a ballpark of course, and is that angle the same for the two panthers and KT/E75 (that seem to share the same frontal profile)?

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Maybe someone with a little more in-depth analysis can give you a much better answer, but from my own experiences 19-20 degrees of angle is about all you ever need. Obviously more angle gives you a better chance of bounces, but it also exposes your side.

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View Postazren, on Oct 30 2011 - 23:48, said:

Maybe someone with a little more in-depth analysis can give you a much better answer, but from my own experiences 19-20 degrees of angle is about all you ever need. Obviously more angle gives you a better chance of bounces, but it also exposes your side.

Obviously it depends situationally as well. If you have some cover for your side, you can afford a bit more angle, if not, then i tend to go for something a little less than 20%. Also worth taking into account what's shooting you. Tier 10s are probably going to pen you regardless. Lower tiers will probably be aiming for your sides or front lower hull as they won't be able to pen your upper hull - angled or not.

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View Postflintcoin, on Oct 28 2011 - 08:44, said:

Equal drivers the patton will NEVER win up close. Yes 3v1 it will lose but no way 1v1 if the e50 driver knows how to use his machine.  Any range the t54 and patton are just outclassed.  Drive the e50 like you stole it and dont care about the repair bill and the other t9 meds lose horribly.  I havent seen a t54 able to circle of death a e50 ever, except when its modules are trashed etc.  The e50 can literally spin in place and take the hits frontally while the t54 shows his side.  Once its tracked its dead. Th patton hits hard but its soft.
Maybe im biased as I dont have the other t9 meds.  Havent lost a 1v1 fight against any other med in my e50 when our hp are roughly the same at the start.

Personally I have quite different experiences. I haven't lost to an E-50 one on one at close range yet when we are evenly squared off. I've driven both the E-50 and the T-54, in all cases I beat the snot out of the E-50's I encountered with my T-54. I don't know why everyone has the mentality that if it looks great on paper it must be great in game. The T-54 does not look great at all on paper, but remember that it has been dominating the game since before the E-50 was announced.

Last time I played I took on a healthy E-50 and a healthy Patton at the same time, needless to say neither one of them made it out of there alive, why? Because players whose only tactics rely on the statistics of their tanks do not see the need to think, only to point and shoot and move and then point and shoot again. I had the E-50 in front of me which trapped the Patton against a wall where he could not get a shot off. Rather then play intelligently the E-50 made the asinine assumption that he was actually good enough to take on a veteran T-54 with his tank. I quickly destroyed that E-50 then pounded the trapped Patton until it died, and then I rolled away only to destroy yet another E-50.

Look, the E-50 is a competitive tank, same as the T-54. But I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill. Its not godly, I have yet to see one charge tier 9 and tier 10 heavies. Player skill must also be taken into account. If you can only play and use 50% of the tank at any point and a T-44 that can use 99% of his tanks abilities chances are he is gonna win. I have seen how good the E-50 is, but I have yet to ever fight a truly excellent E-50 tanker and I have been decimating them time and time again. I have never lost an evenly matched battle against the E-50 at close range namely because at close range I can use 95% of my tanks abilities while E-50 tankers tend to use closer to 45% of theirs in very close range engagements. When it comes down to it, most T-54 drivers have been dog fighting far longer then E-50's simply because E-50's are the only dog fighters in their tech line. But the Russians have had a near monopoly on dog fighting since at least the Tier 5 T-34 and arguably since the tier 2 BT-2.

Some T-54's are better then others, I consider myself to be a pretty good T-54 tanker, I have dominated a game with 6 kills in a T-54 more then once, and as a dog fighting tank that is pretty difficult to do. The true question is what will happen if you take a damn good T-54 tanker and put them in an E-50 and have them fight against another damn good T-54.

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My experiences are much different than the above t54 poster. I have never lost in a shootout vs a t54. I dont sit still and face hugging will not save a t54 if your good on the trigger. Infact, i prefer them to face hug me because shot placement becomes much easier on the squishy parts.

quote 1Anomaly1 "The true question is what will happen if you take a damn good T-54 tanker and put them in an E-50 and have them fight against another damn good T-54." That's the t54 arrogance i love. They die fast and hard.

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I'd give anything for 5 more degrees of hull traverse - against a T-54 or a Patton you almost need to play like a heavy - compared to them you turn like one.

It is hilarious to do almost as much damage as a round hit by ramming though.

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View PostMaxL_1023, on Nov 01 2011 - 18:31, said:

I'd give anything for 5 more degrees of hull traverse - against a T-54 or a Patton you almost need to play like a heavy - compared to them you turn like one.

It is hilarious to do almost as much damage as a round hit by ramming though.

Its annoying as all f*** when your on the receiving end.  :(

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View PostMaxL_1023, on Nov 01 2011 - 18:31, said:

I'd give anything for 5 more degrees of hull traverse - against a T-54 or a Patton you almost need to play like a heavy - compared to them you turn like one.

It is hilarious to do almost as much damage as a round hit by ramming though.

I think this is one of the things a lot of people underestimate. At full speed, slamming into a T-54 can easily cause 500+ or more damage to him, while it barely scratched your paint. After that, it's no contest as you have 2 hits damage advantage  :Smile-playing:

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I haven't been downed much by E-50s.  I find T-54s more annoying since they are smaller and harder to hit, plus better-armored.  E-50s are a fun, big target for me.  They remind me of a King Tiger on crack.

Sorry guys, I'm on my way to the T-54, but I hope to meet some nice E-50 tankers on future teams :)

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View PostJamesDean, on Sep 29 2011 - 23:28, said:

After playing a few rounds in the E-50, I believe it is a great tank.  Not better than the Patton, but not worse either to be sure.  Not to mention the Patton can use terrain irregularities much better than the E-50 through gun depression (which is amazing if uses well for those of you not familiar with US tanks).  But, the E-50 has really nice frontal armor which the Patton lacks, is faster, and of course, the gun, while only trading a small amount of RoF, is better with it's much superior accuracy and aim time.  It also seems really tough and doesn't take hardly any module damage.

The Patton is still better at close-quarters combat than the E-50, while being able to hit distant targets on a usual basis.  Not to mention better moving accuracy and spotting range.  The E-50, with it's slower track and traverse speed, does not like close range fighting much, but it can do it just fine if needed.  The Patton and E-50 are almost kinda the opposite but the same.  They each can perform each other's roles but not as well as the original vehicles' niche.  

But both have a permanent spot in my garage.  I believe both are balanced well.  And they both look damn good  :Smile-izmena:
E50 wins in a close quarters fight. 1 ram and 40% hp gone! e50 only looses 15%

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View Post1An0maly1, on Nov 01 2011 - 12:48, said:

Personally I have quite different experiences. I haven't lost to an E-50 one on one at close range yet when we are evenly squared off. I've driven both the E-50 and the T-54, in all cases I beat the snot out of the E-50's I encountered with my T-54. I don't know why everyone has the mentality that if it looks great on paper it must be great in game. The T-54 does not look great at all on paper, but remember that it has been dominating the game since before the E-50 was announced.

Last time I played I took on a healthy E-50 and a healthy Patton at the same time, needless to say neither one of them made it out of there alive, why? Because players whose only tactics rely on the statistics of their tanks do not see the need to think, only to point and shoot and move and then point and shoot again. I had the E-50 in front of me which trapped the Patton against a wall where he could not get a shot off. Rather then play intelligently the E-50 made the asinine assumption that he was actually good enough to take on a veteran T-54 with his tank. I quickly destroyed that E-50 then pounded the trapped Patton until it died, and then I rolled away only to destroy yet another E-50.

Look, the E-50 is a competitive tank, same as the T-54. But I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill. Its not godly, I have yet to see one charge tier 9 and tier 10 heavies. Player skill must also be taken into account. If you can only play and use 50% of the tank at any point and a T-44 that can use 99% of his tanks abilities chances are he is gonna win. I have seen how good the E-50 is, but I have yet to ever fight a truly excellent E-50 tanker and I have been decimating them time and time again. I have never lost an evenly matched battle against the E-50 at close range namely because at close range I can use 95% of my tanks abilities while E-50 tankers tend to use closer to 45% of theirs in very close range engagements. When it comes down to it, most T-54 drivers have been dog fighting far longer then E-50's simply because E-50's are the only dog fighters in their tech line. But the Russians have had a near monopoly on dog fighting since at least the Tier 5 T-34 and arguably since the tier 2 BT-2.

Some T-54's are better then others, I consider myself to be a pretty good T-54 tanker, I have dominated a game with 6 kills in a T-54 more then once, and as a dog fighting tank that is pretty difficult to do. The true question is what will happen if you take a damn good T-54 tanker and put them in an E-50 and have them fight against another damn good T-54.
Guess theres either very few very good t54 drivers or I won the lottery so far.  Guess no one knows how to drive it vs other meds but me...........
You'd have to be really really bad to get killed by a t54 imho

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I love medium tanks, and I'm soon to get my first T9 med since beta, the E-50.

as a F2P I'm currently setting credits and free exp aside to immidiatly mod the tank and quickly "rush" a single module (as in grind up half instead of the whole amount needed). either the gun or the engine.

as I read the thread now rushing the engine is the wisest thing. so tracks>engine. after that slowly develop turret and 105mm, using the 88/L71 as the main gun and skipping the 88/L100 untill its team to elite the tank.

or do you guys feel a different upgrade path is in order.




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