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Poll: Non-Preferential Matchmaking for Obj. 252U. (76 members have cast votes)

Do you agree with this idea? (Please, do not vote if you own the tank).

  1. Yes, the Obj. 252U should only be able to be in T9-10 battles. (19 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. No, the Obj. 252U is fine as it is and should continue to be in T8 battles. (57 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

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Rin_ #21 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 20:59

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View PostZepherex, on Feb 27 2017 - 20:44, said:

 

B-b-but I has candy

 

And after you eat it, you wake up in Peru 3 weeks later sitting in a bathtub of ice with a missing kidney.

SexyPotato #22 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 21:02

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If I am reading this correctly the 252 shouldn't be allowed under tier 8 but not in tier 10's as is so you'd want it only in tier 8 and 9.....I am not a smart man but when they add these tanks and the wallets fly open during the first month or so it would completely break the MM and you'd get games predominantly 252s because of the influx and considering how mm has been having issues in over matching tank comps already seems like a bad idea. 

galspanic #23 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 21:02

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$50 should buy you a tank you can do really well when top tier, okay mid their, and be food for good players when bottom tier.  Seems fine.

evolighter #24 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 21:43

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My only issue is that this sees tier 6. I bounced 9 shots yesterday off one without a single pen. That is while circling getting shots at the front, side, and tail. Any tier that this sees should be able to pen it somewhere. People say lower plate but that I bounced 4 shots off with gold ( 200 pen), bounced some above the tracks and bounced some off the rear end. The rear armor should be nerfed so somebody with 145 pen can actually pen somewhere reliably, but they don't nerf premiums right?

 

When you run into these situations it does seem terribly OP, he has to hit you once maybe twice and you need to hit him 50+ times accounting for bounces in a tier 6? I would barely have enough ammo for this.....


Edited by evolighter, Feb 27 2017 - 21:46.


Xero4 #25 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 21:52

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Evolighter, have you tried shooting for the lower rear plate? I have noticed that it is somewhat softer.

LeaveIT2Beaver #26 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 21:53

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View PostForwardToNowhere, on Feb 27 2017 - 14:35, said:

 

Yes... However you're still paying to use a tank that nobody else can get without using real money in order to get an unfair advantage over other players, AND getting more credits and crew exp in the process. I know that it's not invincible and unable to be killed. I never once said that. I'm just saying that it's incredibly strong for its tier and very easy to do well in.

 

And clans get OP tanks rewarded or given to them (like Type 59) that I will never get because I am not good enough. Never will be. I admit it.

So now I have a tank I bought because I work 60 hours a week and have a credit card that I pay off monthly with my overtime. So all I can tell anyone 13 or older is earn 50$ by WORKING like I do, go to the bank/credit union, open a savings account, get a secured credit card against that account, and BUY anything you want. Then pay for it .:coin:

It is NOT brain surgery.


Edited by LeaveIT2Beaver, Feb 27 2017 - 21:55.


D1rkjr #27 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 21:59

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There is soooo much wrong with this. 

 

1. You ask people who own it not to vote because it would bias it? People who DONT have it are biased against it. Also the people who actually have experience with it are best qualified to judge it's abilities. 

 

2. This tank isn't even close to being the best tier 8 heavy and its not even as good as the t26e5 or m4 49. It's also substantially worse in tier 10 matches than those two. 

 

3. It is EASILY penned by numerous tier 7 tanks and a few 6s. I have lost half my health trying to face hug a VK 45.03 because he will pen the obvious weak hatches on the turret roof every time and the dpm is so bad on this tank that even a tier 7 will really hurt you before you deal with them. 

4. This tank struggles badly against tier 10 tanks especially eith the super heavy buffs. A t26e5 has more than enough flexibility to be useful in a tier 10 match but what is this slow, lowish pen, inaccurate, pathetic dpm tank going to do against the likes of a type 4-5 or a maus?!?!? That that tier the lower plate is a joke and you will struggle to pen more than one shot. 

 

Not only would doing that cripple this into one of the worst prem tanks but it isn't even close to deserving of it. The IS-3, IS-3a, t26e5, m4 49 etc are all as good if not better. 



D1rkjr #28 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 22:06

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View PostLeaveIT2Beaver, on Feb 27 2017 - 20:53, said:

 

And clans get OP tanks rewarded or given to them (like Type 59) that I will never get because I am not good enough. Never will be. I admit it.

So now I have a tank I bought because I work 60 hours a week and have a credit card that I pay off monthly with my overtime. So all I can tell anyone 13 or older is earn 50$ by WORKING like I do, go to the bank/credit union, open a savings account, get a secured credit card against that account, and BUY anything you want. Then pay for it .:coin:

It is NOT brain surgery.

 

type 59 wasn't a CW tank. It was a paid prem. And none of the CW tanks are OP at all. 

 



oldiowaguy #29 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 22:11

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View PostD1rkjr, on Feb 27 2017 - 15:06, said:

 

type 59 wasn't a CW tank. It was a paid prem. And none of the CW tanks are OP at all. 

 

 

CW reward tanks might not be OP, but they are in the hands of above average players, so they do seem OP! 

Edited by oldiowaguy, Feb 27 2017 - 22:11.


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View PostXero4, on Feb 27 2017 - 21:52, said:

Evolighter, have you tried shooting for the lower rear plate? I have noticed that it is somewhat softer.

 

Bounced off top and lower of rear it makes no difference. Essentially if you are in a tier 6 vs this it just rolls up and kills you and you have zero chance to pen it anywhere. A lot of tier 6 don't even have 150 pen with AP, none of my premium 6's do..........  A tank that you can not damage is nothing short of OP! This should not be vs. tanks that can not pen it....anywhere. 


Edited by evolighter, Feb 27 2017 - 22:26.


D1rkjr #31 Posted Feb 27 2017 - 23:53

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View Postevolighter, on Feb 27 2017 - 21:24, said:

 

Bounced off top and lower of rear it makes no difference. Essentially if you are in a tier 6 vs this it just rolls up and kills you and you have zero chance to pen it anywhere. A lot of tier 6 don't even have 150 pen with AP, none of my premium 6's do..........  A tank that you can not damage is nothing short of OP! This should not be vs. tanks that can not pen it....anywhere. 

 

the arl 44 and loads of tier 6 TDs can pen this tank easily. There are also strips of side armor so thin you can overmatch them. Not easy but you can. 

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yes the 252 is op more like a t9 prem..but i disagre obout the reve it just a gun  on a t6 sherman ..it not worth to buy

Galbeaza #33 Posted Mar 03 2017 - 16:23

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Get the f.ck out of here with your stupid poll. My dear Defender needs a buff regarding the reloading time.

Sunserrae #34 Posted Mar 03 2017 - 16:30

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The tank is good against bad players, that is it. 

Much the same as the KV-1 at tier 5 or the AT2 or the KV-220. All are easy enough to deal with if you know how. This tank is no different.

 



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View Postevolighter, on Feb 27 2017 - 16:24, said:

 

Bounced off top and lower of rear it makes no difference. Essentially if you are in a tier 6 vs this it just rolls up and kills you and you have zero chance to pen it anywhere. A lot of tier 6 don't even have 150 pen with AP, none of my premium 6's do..........  A tank that you can not damage is nothing short of OP! This should not be vs. tanks that can not pen it....anywhere. 

 

Are you really mentally ill? You demand to kill a tier 8 with a tier 6? When you are tier 6 in a tier 8 game, learn your f.cking place, go fight the tier 6 enemies you m.rron, let the tier 8 mates do the confrontation.



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View PostLeaveIT2Beaver, on Feb 27 2017 - 21:53, said:

 

And clans get OP tanks rewarded or given to them (like Type 59) that I will never get because I am not good enough. Never will be. I admit it.

So now I have a tank I bought because I work 60 hours a week and have a credit card that I pay off monthly with my overtime. So all I can tell anyone 13 or older is earn 50$ by WORKING like I do, go to the bank/credit union, open a savings account, get a secured credit card against that account, and BUY anything you want. Then pay for it .:coin:

It is NOT brain surgery.

 

Isn't it great having a job? ;)

hikerjon1 #37 Posted Mar 03 2017 - 19:58

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View Postevolighter, on Feb 27 2017 - 21:24, said:

 

Bounced off top and lower of rear it makes no difference. Essentially if you are in a tier 6 vs this it just rolls up and kills you and you have zero chance to pen it anywhere. A lot of tier 6 don't even have 150 pen with AP, none of my premium 6's do..........  A tank that you can not damage is nothing short of OP! This should not be vs. tanks that can not pen it....anywhere. 

 

​Assuming you can't aim for sides, rear, or weak spots with your tier 6, is there a premium tier 8 heavy that you're NOT talking about? Why single out the Defender? If you can't find a way to do damage to a Defender, are you telling me that you can do better against an IS6 or KV5? Doubtful.

 



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Defender is relatively new, and everybody is whining... we've seen it before. 

 

(and yes, people have found out how to pen this poor thing in the meantime, quite well actually...)

 

Re matchmaking: 

 

I have a Defender, and it has the [edited]tiest MM of all my premiums. 

 

About 70% Tier X matches, a couple 9s, rarely real T8. 

 

This is the last prem I bought until this nonsensical +2 MM is removed or at least the percentage is a bit more reasonable. 



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I do not own 252, voted no. Was in a battle tonight where red team had a 3 person, all blue players, top 10 clan members in their shiny new 252's...top tiers. Oh, they had 4 heavies, we had two. Within 3 minutes, two of them were gone. The third lasted for almost the duration, we won battle. Point is, this is a very good tank, but not the indestructible mega tank it's been made out to be. The only two tanks that really make me feel like like WG has bent us over a barrel and said "Take this with a smile comrades", are the E 25, and LEfH. I do realize the purple neck hairs are standing up now, so I'll say it first... GL, and HF my friends....:bush:  

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View PostForwardToNowhere, on Feb 27 2017 - 13:04, said:

(I do realize that people that own the tank are most likely going to vote no, so please refrain from voting if you own the tank).

TL;DR the Obj.252U is way too good to be a Tier 8 tank, so it should get non-preferential matchmaking. (Yeesh. I know that this tank does not get preferential matchmaking. The meaning of non-preferential is the opposite of preferential. Not the lack of preference AKA normal MM.) This would only allow it to get into battles that have Tier 9 and Tier 10 vehicles as top tier (meaning it would only be allowed to see T7-10 vehicles, with the exception of scouts).

 

So... Yeah. The Obj. 252U/Defender has been released, and all I've seen/heard from the community are 95% complaints, and the other 5% mostly being people that own it trying to defend themselves. This tank is clearly stronger than your average Tier 8 heavy, which is especially bad because it is a premium vehicle. The whole idea of premium vehicles (at least, judging from the older premiums) was to create tanks that gave you increased experience and credits that you could buy instantly with money, with the downside being that they were weaker to their same-tier counterparts. Be it less armour or mobility, or weaker penentration or alpha... They were either equal or lesser so that they weren't considered Pay to Win. The premium vehicles that WG have been releasing as of late have been increasingly stronger than the last, and many consider them to be somewhat P2W (E25, Skorpion G, M4A1 Rev., etc.). I'm sure there are many ways that these vehicles could be fixed, but a LOT of players would be upset because they've grown to like how overpowered their little credit-making machines are. One idea that I am going to propose, however, is an idea to help fix the broken nature of the Obj. 252U.

 

Because the Obj. 252U is built more like a Tier 9 or Tier 10 tank, why not make its matchmaking just that? Instead of allowing it to completely destroy everyone and everything when it gets into top-tier battles because most of the other tanks can't even pen it, I think that it should get the matchmaking of a Tier 9 heavy tank so that it can have more balanced gameplay. This would greatly reduce the Pay to Win aspects of the tank, and would help balance out the T8 matchmaking that got ever so screwed after this tank was released. Yes, this tank DOES have weakspots... But so does every other tank in the game. That is a completely invalid argument to use, which is the main one that I see people using to defend this vehicle.

 

​It does have weakspots look at the armor model and you will see them use tanks.gg  lower plate is 218 effective not that hard to hit if the team works together to take it down.  




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