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OldFrog75 #1 Posted Mar 15 2017 - 19:28

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Is it better to pay up for 100% crew training or opt for 75% and slug it out for the other 25%?  I assume in the upper Tiers Combat XP accumulates much faster than in the lower Tiers where at my rate could take awhile judging by the slow grind to get the skills trained up to 100%.

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You grind through those tiers faster than you can actually accumulate crew skill. Don't waste gold, it's not worth it.

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OldFrog75 #3 Posted Mar 15 2017 - 19:35

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View PostRin_, on Mar 15 2017 - 19:29, said:

You grind through those tiers faster than you can actually accumulate crew skill. Don't waste gold, it's not worth it.

 

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Dogsoldier6 #4 Posted Mar 15 2017 - 19:36

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Save the gold and get the 75% crews.

 

In the higher tiers 5+ they train up to 100% pretty quick. Even when moving a crew from one tank to another. So again save the gold and spend the credits instead.



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Good advice here!

Don't throw gold at a crew below tier V or VI.



Urdr #6 Posted Mar 15 2017 - 20:46

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Save the gold :)



3RiversRegt #7 Posted Mar 15 2017 - 20:50

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Don't throw gold for crew purchase or retrain.... pay the 20k for each and use a personal reserve 200 or 300% crew training for an hour and your crew will be back at 100% in no time...

 

Personally any tank tier IV or below I don't even pay for crew the 50 percent is good enough and you play only between 30 to 50 game with it....

 

But from Tier V and higher... The crew from my tier V will be the crew in my tier X at the end.... I just retrain as I move up the chain.

 

If I decide to keep a tank I will put a new crew as more then likely it will be on accelerate crew training for that particular tank

 

 



da_Rock002 #8 Posted Mar 15 2017 - 21:04

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Crew members in T1-T4 differ so much they don't move up very easily.   The early tiers don't make much XP either, so those crew members don't bring much skill with them if you bring them along when moving up a tree.    It's also a pain to find a Premium to use building skills until T5, at least in the lines I followed when first moving up.   For me, T5 was when all the crew stuff could be cranked up. 


 

I wish I had spent more time in those early tiers mulling over what lines to climb in the trees.   I spent that effort like you're doing now looking at the crew and it just muddled things.



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View Postda_Rock002, on Mar 15 2017 - 21:04, said:

Crew members in T1-T4 differ so much they don't move up very easily.   The early tiers don't make much XP either, so those crew members don't bring much skill with them if you bring them along when moving up a tree.    It's also a pain to find a Premium to use building skills until T5, at least in the lines I followed when first moving up.   For me, T5 was when all the crew stuff could be cranked up. 


 

I wish I had spent more time in those early tiers mulling over what lines to climb in the trees.   I spent that effort like you're doing now looking at the crew and it just muddled things.

 

Crew considerations seem important.  Mistakes made early can be costly later, right?  Gold or Silver?  New crew or retrain old?  Dismiss or barracks?  As a newcomer, crew management is just one of many aspects I have to learn about.  Might not be as important as studying all the tanks but I think it's still important.

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View PostOldFrog75, on Mar 15 2017 - 18:30, said:

 

Crew considerations seem important.  Mistakes make early can be costly later, right?  Gold or Silver?  New crew or retrain old?  Dismiss or barracks?  As a newcomer, crew management is just one of many aspects I have to learn about.  Might not be as important as studying all the tanks but I think it's still important.

 

yup   all those details

Good thing is you got plenty of time to learn it before it actually does much for you.    And you can't build skill level much in the lower tiers anyway.  The tanks don't generate xp fast enough even for good players.     Crew management will actually be as important as studying all the tanks, but not for a couple of tiers yet.   


 

Given any thought which nationality you're going to start in?   I spent a couple of weeks comparing T3s in all the trees to be sure of my T2 purchase.   Got it wrong too.   Dang those Stuart chassis were hard to drive to begin with.   So I started up the German lines only to discover after a couple of months they were nerfedwagons.   WG confirmed what I discovered by halfway buffing them this last version.   It did teach me some insight into armor thicknesses and Health ratings.     (the German lower tier tanks however have decent speed with decent control)     This is a seriously intricate game for sure.        



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View PostOldFrog75, on Mar 15 2017 - 19:35, said:

 

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According to WoT, it takes 24,157 combat XP to move the crew from 75% to 100%.  Might not take that long in Tier V-X but in Tier III that would probably take somewhere between 50-100 battles (assuming you're relatively new and not one of the experts slumming it).  Since the crew at 75% is not performing optimally, are the tank characteristics (firepower, survivability, etc.) degraded by 25%?

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I shamelessly throw the gold at crews in any tank that I intend to keep, like the Ke-Ni, strv m40/L, H35, T15, Ikv 72 etc.  These crews will never leave these tanks, and I want to start on skills ASAP.  :medal: 

 

 


Edited by Captain_Rownd, Mar 16 2017 - 03:03.


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View Postda_Rock002, on Mar 16 2017 - 02:51, said:

 

yup   all those details

Good thing is you got plenty of time to learn it before it actually does much for you.    And you can't build skill level much in the lower tiers anyway.  The tanks don't generate xp fast enough even for good players.     Crew management will actually be as important as studying all the tanks, but not for a couple of tiers yet.   


 

Given any thought which nationality you're going to start in?   I spent a couple of weeks comparing T3s in all the trees to be sure of my T2 purchase.   Got it wrong too.   Dang those Stuart chassis were hard to drive to begin with.   So I started up the German lines only to discover after a couple of months they were nerfedwagons.   WG confirmed what I discovered by halfway buffing them this last version.   It did teach me some insight into armor thicknesses and Health ratings.     (the German lower tier tanks however have decent speed with decent control)     This is a seriously intricate game for sure.        

 

I'm moving up along US, German, and Russian at this point, but that doesn't mean a whole lot since I'm only up to Tier III

Edited by OldFrog75, Mar 16 2017 - 03:04.


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You can retrain crews for other tanks using silver and still keep 100% core skill, it just takes some crew xp saved up (perk not chosen - xp accumulates). Starting from about tier 5 you make enough crew xp training the tank to retrain for the next tier once you are done. 

 

If you want to spend gold but still be frugal you can train a commander to 100% for 100 gold when on special, since commanders skill boost all other crew members this + fan + food can give you painless training to 100% for other crew members. 

 

Also most folks have 100% crew members already  - from level 1 tanks and from rentals, retraining using silver within same tank class (heavy->heavy) gives you crew above 75% while using only silver.

 



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It has been sad a lot already, but do not waste gold on crews below tier 5. Those tiers go so fast that you will not get any significant amount of experience before needing to retrain to a new tank, which means using more credits to bring it back down below 75%. Because of this, just dismiss those crewmen when you sell the old tank and buy a new crew for the new tank. Tier 6 is where you want to start carrying crews along for the rest of the line.

 

That being said, NEVER EVER EVER EVER buy crews for gold, or retrain them to new tanks for gold. The only time you want to think about using gold on crews is if they have 3+ skills and you want to reset the skills on them.



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View Post1mp0ster, on Mar 16 2017 - 05:03, said:

That being said, NEVER EVER EVER EVER buy crews for gold, or retrain them to new tanks for gold.

 

Why not? On sale using gold to retrain a commander is 100 gold or about 1$. Even if you live in a cardboard box you could get 1$ rather quickly isn't that about 20 empty cans?

Telling someone to never ever ever ever spend 1$ is a bit extreme no?



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View Postgloom13, on Mar 16 2017 - 05:14, said:

 

Why not? On sale using gold to retrain a commander is 100 gold or about 1$. Even if you live in a cardboard box you could get 1$ rather quickly isn't that about 20 empty cans?

Telling someone to never ever ever ever spend 1$ is a bit extreme no?

 

More like 50 cents...

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View Postgloom13, on Mar 16 2017 - 05:14, said:

 

Why not? On sale using gold to retrain a commander is 100 gold or about 1$. Even if you live in a cardboard box you could get 1$ rather quickly isn't that about 20 empty cans?

Telling someone to never ever ever ever spend 1$ is a bit extreme no?

 

Because I keep my favorite tanks in a line, I have many tanks among them. I retrain crews between tanks multiple times per day. It would get very expensive very fast if I did it with gold.

 

Retraining crews with credits takes a 90% exp hit. That should AT MOST take 10 games to get back to 100%.



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View Post1mp0ster, on Mar 16 2017 - 06:27, said:

 

Because I keep my favorite tanks in a line, I have many tanks among them. I retrain crews between tanks multiple times per day. It would get very expensive very fast if I did it with gold.

 

Wait - you're moving one crew between multiple non-premium tanks and paying to retrain them more than once per day?  If I keep a tank it has a fixed crew that only gets moved to premiums. 

 

 

 



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Most of the advice I've seen is to never start below 100 percent, but that may be for Tier V and above. If you own premiums you can use them as trainers for other tanks - I use the Churchill III to train my KV1 crew, my Matilda IV to train my T-34 crew, and my PzT25 to train my PzIV. That speeds things up for sure....




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