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Should the T67 get the Hellcat treatment?


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Should it get Hellcat nerfs?

  1. Yes (51 votes [40.16%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.16%

  2. No (57 votes [44.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.88%

  3. I'm only here for the flamewar! (19 votes [14.96%] - View)

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leeuniverse #21 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:21

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It ALREADY got the Hellcat treatment..... you dingos!

 

It's a crap tank now.  Just because it's "less" crap than others, only tells the backward wargaming thinking, rather than the T67 itself.

It drives like crap, especially backwards, it's turret is slow as crap.  It already IS the Hellcat.  Ugh.



Nonamanadus #22 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:50

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I would be happy just to have body parts fly out the top when it pops.

TacoJohnHG #23 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 05:03

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it just needs the reload nerfed like half a second. It still shoots too fast for a tank as mobile and well camo'd as it is. The tank is dumb in the hands of anyone that knows basic camo mechanics and has camo trained. It can out-dpm pretty much everything it sees, and can't be spotted because the camo is so good. Its only real downside is 350hp...

Asassian7 #24 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 05:34

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No.

It hasnt been touched in years. Home come suddenly people start whining about it now? Like seriously. What suddenly changed?

Dont nerf its camo. That idiotic. Thats its only way of surviving.

Dont nerf its reverse speed. The hellcat shouldnt of had its reverse speed nerfed. Thats a stupid idea and the hellcat should be reversed.

That leaves the gun. Which isnt really any better than any other tier 5 TDs (heck, the T40 gets the same gun a tier lower, with similar gun handling and a reload almost as fast I mean come on)

Sgt_King_Gunner #25 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 05:51

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Yes. Nerf it. And every other tank that gets over 50.5% average WR. 

 

http://www.vbaddict....t_ratio&server=

 

Like that nasty seal clubbing OP AT2 and that S35 CA.  (Which out perform the T67 on average WR). 

 

Its TS not an easy tank to play for an unskilled player. Far from it. All these threads calling T67 OP send new players off to the frustration of getting repeatedly wrecked. 



zed2204 #26 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 06:27

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http://www.targetdamage.com/nations/

Look at this site
T67 is far from unique in Damage expected other T5 tanks no one is calling OP have similar expectance, the US T5 Arty has 20% more

T67,E25, UDES ..... All sneaky TDs in general are newbie hunters that punish YOUR mistakes but fail miserably when faced with people that learned how to play
You essentially are requesting from WG to nerf tanks and other aspects of the game because of your inability or unwillingness to improve

And with 10k+ games you are not a baby seal, if you are getting clubbed it is you

elftron #27 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 06:52

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View PostWorland, on Mar 21 2017 - 12:59, said:

Yes. Nerf it. Way too many seal clubbers in T67s making tier 4/5 unplayable. Victory depends on which team gets more T67s, or the better platoon of T67 seal clubbers. The rest of the team is meaningless.

 

This is just crap.  Lower tiers(4-6 mainly) need better players playing at those levels.  Its how you yourself get better by learning that you just cant drive anywhere you want, you have to think about your tank and what it can and about other tanks and what they can do.  Learning strategy, learning opposing tanks from good players will eventually make you a better player.

 

 

 

The t67 may be able to hide but rarely can it kill you outright,  generally a one shot kill with HE with t5 tanks.

Leave It as is.



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View PostHurk, on Mar 20 2017 - 14:17, said:

drop the DPM of the A1 gun down about 1000. cut its camo on fire down some as well. 

the issue is that for some reason this tank gets massive rate of fire, even beyond the rate of fire of the 57mm guns at the same tier.

75mm guns do not reload that fast for the rest... most are in the 3 ish reload time, not sub 2.

 

Too late its already been nerfed, quite awhile back.  

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View Postelftron, on Mar 20 2017 - 21:52, said:

 

This is just crap.  Lower tiers(4-6 mainly) need better players playing at those levels.  Its how you yourself get better by learning that you just cant drive anywhere you want, you have to think about your tank and what it can and about other tanks and what they can do.  Learning strategy, learning opposing tanks from good players will eventually make you a better player.

 

 

 

The t67 may be able to hide but rarely can it kill you outright,  generally a one shot kill with HE with t5 tanks.

Leave It as is.

 

Hey got that right, even with a nearly full up crew, my t67 gets spotted real easy, you just have to work as a team, and you will spot em... Then they are easy pickins, I cannot even begin to tell you how many times ive been one shotted by 105 Shermans and PZIVs, even Hetzers.   Learn the maps, there usually is not many places a t67 can hide, they took most of that away..    So send those scouts out, if they keep getting killed, then try scouting a different way, It took me over 5 years in my t67, to get her where she is..  It is all about, adapt and overcome.  If you learn the t67, you learn the essence of tanking, so try it on sometime.

PLaYeRoh #30 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 08:50

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i saw the e-25 comment :hiding:

Edited by PLaYeRoh, Mar 21 2017 - 08:52.


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View Postleeuniverse, on Mar 21 2017 - 04:21, said:

It ALREADY got the Hellcat treatment..... you dingos!

 

It's a crap tank now.  Just because it's "less" crap than others, only tells the backward wargaming thinking, rather than the T67 itself.

It drives like crap, especially backwards, it's turret is slow as crap.  It already IS the Hellcat.  Ugh.

 

I mean, uh. Mate. Did you even play the game, like, ever?

Ares1967 #32 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 10:13

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View PostTVV, on Mar 20 2017 - 23:40, said:

The problem with the 67 is the combination of great things about it: very mobile (better mobility than mediums in tier) with great camo, and it also gets great DPM and gun handling to go with that. Keep the camo and DPM to allow it to still play like a sniping TD, but nerf the mobility and gun handling as right now it can play like a better medium than same tier medium tanks. 

 

  Fast reload and aim do not equal great gun handling. With a BIA crew the T67's dispersion is .38, with food it only improves to .37. Soft stats suck as well with crazy bloom. I'm shooting O-I's at 250 meters and cant reliably land a shell on a weakpoint without taking careful aim, hope he doesnt move forcing me to let the server reticle catch up, then saying a prayer to RNGesus.

 

 Better medium than what tier 5 mediums? Show me one with a turret that turns like the T67. The T1, KV1, and 30.01 (H) have faster HULL traverse than the T67's turret. The BISHOP turns its hull faster than the T67 can turn its turret. I cant name a tier 5 Medium that doesn't have a faster hull traverse than the T67's hull traverse.  View range, T67 340, Wolverine 370, M4 370, M7 390, We'll not even go into the health pool and complete lack of armor. I was recently one shot by a Cruiser II, yeah, a Tier 3. What Tier 5 medium has ever had that happen without being set on fire. Please name for us the T5 mediums that can be out mediumed by the T67.

 

 



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View PostPLaYeRoh, on Mar 21 2017 - 08:50, said:

i saw the e-25 comment :hiding:

Not to defend the purple one, but the E25 is in fact  quite balanced, as opposed to the T67. A 50% player can expect 50% in the E25, 52% player 52% etc. while  in the T67 a 50% player can expect 53%, a 52% player can expect 56% etc. 



21Blackjack #34 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 11:42

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They've done barely anything to the T67 in years, you think they are going to do something to it now? After craplike the 252? LOL

 

AHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH :teethhappy:



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View PostHurk, on Mar 20 2017 - 23:17, said:

drop the DPM of the A1 gun down about 1000. cut its camo on fire down some as well. 

the issue is that for some reason this tank gets massive rate of fire, even beyond the rate of fire of the 57mm guns at the same tier.

75mm guns do not reload that fast for the rest... most are in the 3 ish reload time, not sub 2.

Show me when a T67 can have a sub 2 second reload with a 76. I would love to see that. Stop talking out of your *ss.


Edited by WhatsThisBoxFor, Mar 21 2017 - 12:33.


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Don't have a problem with them at all.

My Sherman Jumbo finds them QUITE tasty :justwait:

One hit from the derp gun and the T67 driver starts spazzing out.

It's hilarious.


Edited by Blackstone, Mar 21 2017 - 12:41.


_Brew_ #37 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 13:46

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No.  The Hellcat should never have gotten the Hellcat treatment, it was a great tank that has been neutered.  Now it's just an okay tank.  Leave the T67 alone.

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View PostWhatsThisBoxFor, on Mar 21 2017 - 05:07, said:

Show me when a T67 can have a sub 2 second reload with a 76. I would love to see that. Stop talking out of your *ss.

Or read the thread and see he already admitted he somehow lost a second off the reload, possibly by misreading the aim time as reload.



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I would leave the T67 alone; it adds interest to the game (if everything ends up too homogeneous, the game gets dull), plus it's a really good learning tool, to demonstrate to people at lower tiers the importance of spotting.

If people in randoms bothered to systematically spot/worked together, T67s would be far less able to run riot than they currently can (assuming a good driver; a weak driver will be just as dead as in anything else).

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I've said before in these types of threads that that first step should be nerfing the gun to the stats of the M1A1 on the wolverine has.

http://tanks.gg/comp...1311e~wolverine

The wolverine should get something over the T67 than just .03 accuracy, with worse gun handling, for having the M1A2.




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