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When did the Germans make the switch from Dunkelgrau to Dunkelgelb for their AFV base color?


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Lert #1 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:15

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I'm about to get model of a StuG III Ausf. G, a variant that was produced from 1943 to 1945. When was the switch from gray to tan as base color for armored fighting vehicles? This will help me determine how to paint my model.

 

Is it conceivable that Ausf. G StuGs drove around in dunkelgrau? Or was it all dunkelgelb by the time the G variant came around?


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Lethalhavoc #2 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:19

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End of 42 I believe.

Dunkelgrau was used again in 45 due to paint shortages.

 

There was also a transition period where dunkelgrau AFV's were striped and/or dotted with dunkelgelb.


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totally irrelevant, but next time someone in a pub irritates me I'm going to call them a dunkelgelb.  "You dunkelgelb!  You stopped me from backing up!"

Lethalhavoc #4 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:35

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I wouldn't worry about it Lert, paint it the way you envision it.

The Germans had a fairly large variation in paint and color schemes.


 

Field maintenance units used whatever was on hand. 



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View PostWildblade, on Mar 20 2017 - 17:30, said:

totally irrelevant, but next time someone in a pub irritates me I'm going to call them a dunkelgelb.  "You dunkelgelb!  You stopped me from backing up!"

 

... Dunsel is a good one too ... for it to be understood, the player would needa fan of the original Star Trek series.

 

Dunsel is a term used by midshipmen in the 23rd century to describe a part which serves no useful purpose. The term was used as an insult (albeit a playful one) to Captain James T. Kirk during the 2268 war games test of the M-5 Multitronic Unit created by Dr. Richard Daystrom.



PrimarchRogalDorn #6 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:39

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The switch from dunkelgrau to dunkelgelb took place in February 1943.

 

(I found out in Bruce Culver's and Bill Murphy's book titled Panzer Colors : Camouflage of the German Panzer Forces 1939-45)


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Lert #7 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:40

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Mar 21 2017 - 03:35, said:

I wouldn't worry about it Lert, paint it the way you envision it.

 

Well, I want to get at least the base color moderately accurate.

 

View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Mar 21 2017 - 03:39, said:

The switch from dunkelgrau to dunkelgelb took place in February 1943

 

If that is true then I am in the clear for either. The Englsih Wiki page on the StuG III lists december '42 as the date the Ausf. G went into production.


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Lethalhavoc #8 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:45

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View PostLert, on Mar 20 2017 - 23:40, said:

 

Well, I want to get at least the base color moderately accurate.

 

There really isn't a wrong answer.

Because either way you slice it, it (dunkelgrau) was used at the beginning and the end of the war.

The G was produced to the end and the very final version of the G varied only in the cast gun mantlet and the remote MG.


Edited by Lethalhavoc, Mar 21 2017 - 04:46.


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1943-45?  I am working on a diorama of the battle of the bulge in 1/35 scale.  From all the research I have done, it appears that the most common paint job from that time was base of dunkelgelb with schokoladenbraun and olivgrun in patches over that.  Hope this helps!

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Mar 21 2017 - 03:45, said:

only in the cast gun mantlet

 

Ah, right, the saukopf, right? The model comes with the early, boxy one, but I can order an aftermarket saukopf mantlet easy. Same with the remote MG, though I'm sure many of them ran around without that mounted.

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View PostLert, on Mar 20 2017 - 23:47, said:

 

Ah, right, the saukopf, right? The model comes with the early, boxy one, but I can order an aftermarket saukopf mantlet easy. Same with the remote MG, though I'm sure many of them ran around without that mounted.

 

Supply shortages meant that they mounted whatever was on hand, so I wouldn't even worry about that.

Lert #12 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:50

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Might order the saukopf anyways, it looks better.

Lethalhavoc #13 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:52

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View PostLert, on Mar 20 2017 - 23:50, said:

Might order the saukopf anyways, it looks better.

 

If you're going to do that, just order that old Tamiya Stug IV kit, it'll probably cost about the same as a resin mantel and you'll get a ton of extra parts.

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It's not 1/35, mate :)

Lethalhavoc #15 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 04:59

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View PostLert, on Mar 20 2017 - 23:57, said:

It's not 1/35, mate :)

 

Ah yes, you run those big guys, I forgot.



Lethalhavoc #16 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 05:03

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Here's a G in transition colors.

http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/historical/german_world_war_2_colour/panzer-tank-storm-gun.jpg



Lert #17 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 05:06

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Mar 21 2017 - 04:03, said:

 

Awesome, thanks. That's kinda what I was thinking of doing, dunkelgrau undercoat with dunkelgelb stripes.

 

View PostLethalhavoc, on Mar 21 2017 - 03:59, said:

Ah yes, you run those big guys, I forgot.

 

Hey, go big or go home.

 

Seriously, 1/16 is not that expensive if you look hard enough, and the mod options are through the roof.


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Lethalhavoc #18 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 05:10

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View PostLert, on Mar 21 2017 - 00:06, said:

 

Awesome, thanks. That's kinda what I was thinking of doing, dunkelgrau undercoat with dunkelgelb stripes.

 

 

Hey, go big or go home.

 

Seriously, 1/16 is not that expensive if you look hard enough, and the mod options are through the roof.

 

I was looking at them on eBay, mostly they're not too bad for price, but they eat up so much space.

After I knock off a few more of the 1/35's I have stocked up, I might try out a 1/16.


 

A nice Panzer III ausf F if I could find one would be sweet. <<-- My favorite tank of WWII


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Lert #19 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 11:51

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View PostLethalhavoc, on Mar 21 2017 - 04:10, said:

A nice Panzer III ausf F if I could find one would be sweet. <<-- My favorite tank of WWII

 

Heng Long makes a decent Pz III, it's nominally an Ausf. N, but I think it's more an amalgamation of other versions. You'll definitely need to replace the airsoft gun barrel with an aftermarket scale one, but I'm sure with some massaging it could make a decent Ausf. F.

 


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Lethalhavoc #20 Posted Mar 21 2017 - 12:19

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It's really the turret that would need some serious bashing, since it mounted the 3.7cm and side by side mg34's.

And I don't think that I'm talented enough to achieve a good result.


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