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Ball_Turret #1 Posted Mar 29 2017 - 03:13

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As much as I have looked on the wiki for a quick summary and browsing the stats of the tank, how good is this Russian stealth tank? What would be the things I have to watch out for while I grind for the tank and when I get it?



Rin_ #2 Posted Mar 29 2017 - 03:20

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Only downside is low gun depression. You have the best alpha, gun handling, DPM, and one of the best reloads for tier 8 mediums. To top it all off you have a less than 1% smaller camo rating than the E 25.

Did I mention your gold round has 330mm of pen?


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View PostRin_, on Mar 28 2017 - 18:20, said:

Did I mention your gold round has 330mm of pen?

 

I didn't see anything... I'll take a look and brb...



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A-44 will crush your will to play. Skip it if you can.

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View PostHarkonen_siegetank, on Mar 29 2017 - 02:30, said:

A-44 will crush your will to play. Skip it if you can.

 

A44 is a fun little tank to play. Its got nice alpha and decent armor and mobility

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I found the A44 somewhat fun actually. Mostly just because its different. When top tier it can actually bully a lot of tanks with its armor and alpha. But it does seriously need an accuracy or aim time buff at the very least. Even if it kept the crap .45 accuracy if you could actually fully aim the thing quickly it wouldn't be that bad. 

 

Really its the only "grind" in the line. All the tanks before it are well...low tiers so it doesn't take long to grind and the tier 6 is pretty good all things considered. 416 you will definitely want to save free exp for the gun though, without its top gun its crap. But with it holy crap...Its the t54s gun just with a different name. Has great aim time, great DPM, great pen especially with that heat round. It can play somewhat as a medium when top tier, albeit its lack of flexibility due to the turret that xan only go 75 degress either way, similar to the t28 proto and lack of gun depression can hurt it in that role. Its a great TD though as well, especially when bottom tier with prem ammo. Its special in that its a medium that can easily play as a TD due to its camo and its pen on its heat ammo so that it can plow through even tier 10 heavies frontally. 

 

Side note i'm pretty sure with the stock turret you can mount the top gun. Not positive but if you can I would go that route. The turret really doesn't help it nearly as much as the gun does. 


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Mikosah #7 Posted Mar 29 2017 - 03:57

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The 416 has a lot going for it. Most TDs for instance get camo or view range, but not both as the 416 does. And of course the 416 gets outstandingly low spread penalties for movement. And superior alpha to most of its peers, and DPM that even the tier 10s should be concerned about, which is something every other tier 8 medium sorely lacks. Plus that ridiculous HEAT shell. Basically, imagine if you could take all the best things about TDs and mediums and combine them into one tank. The one thing you sacrifice for all this is the limited turret traverse angles and the bad gun depression.

 

As for the grind, there's some good news and some bad news. If you have the free EXP to get the second gun, then you can go ahead and mount it without needing to upgrade the suspension. The bad news is that this gun requires more than 50,000 EXP to unlock. As for the A44 that you'll have to deal with beforehand, it has a bad reputation but it isn't terrible. Truthfully the only thing that makes it frustrating is the fragility of key modules like the engine, fuel tanks, and ammo racks. But if you have crewmen trained with safe stowage and preventative maintenance then you'll be fine.



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I have completed the a43 and the a44 recently. I have the 416 unlocked, but not played it yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A43 I ran it with the 57mm. It's fast, fun sniper. You'll need apcr using that gun. I had the best success using this gun. It's like shooting needles at tier 8, but it gets the job done.


 

The A44 is a completely different beast. It's fast, it takes module damage ridiculously easy.  The depression stinks as mentioned above.  I'll be honest and say I used its speed to try to get early damage. As the game settled down I would look for single tanks, or a few tanks in an area that were lower than me and yolo in. I'd use my vehicle to ram, shoot etc. The tanks querky, but I had fun in it.  The grind wasn't bad. Pop the boosters and go for it.


 

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hope you like rear turreted tanks that have so little gun depression you absolutely cannot shoot down, becaues the A44 and the 416 suffer this malady!

Ball_Turret #10 Posted Mar 29 2017 - 04:34

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Just as I thought so the A-44 would be the only major speed bump for the grind? If that's the only problem I might like playing these Soviet Stronk tanks might even get the Box Tank (SU 100 Y) to train crews and rake in credits.

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View PostBall_Turret, on Mar 28 2017 - 21:34, said:

Just as I thought so the A-44 would be the only major speed bump for the grind? If that's the only problem I might like playing these Soviet Stronk tanks might even get the Box Tank (SU 100 Y) to train crews and rake in credits.

 

Remember that you can only freely swap crews in and out of premiums of the same class. The A44 and 416 may behave like TDs, but they're still technically mediums. So getting a crew trainer for these would only make sense if its also a medium. The T-34-85m or Rudy would work perfectly. But the SU-100y would only make sense if you were trying to train a TD crew.



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The Obj 416 is a bear. Such a fun tank. The total lack of useable gun depression takes some getting used to and you won't like the hilly maps much. The fan turret is also something you need to learn to work with, similar to an ELC. But this thing can sure move and the gun...


 

The A-44 was a trial. Not quite as bad as the SU-100M1 TD, another Soviet turdblossom. Probably the worst Soviet tank to grind.



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The Obj 416 is a great tank.  I don't play it much anymore but it has a unique playstyle that can be a lot of fun.  As for the tanks leading up to it, I didn't really like the A-43 because it's basically a gimped Cromwell.  I did, however, like the A-44.  A lot of people give the A-44 a lot of crap but I didn't think it was bad at all.  Definitely don't waste free XP skipping it.  What trips a lot of people up on the A-44 and Obj 416 is the lack of gun depression.  If you're not used to playing tanks with no gun depression, this will be a good lesson :)  Also keep in mind that the Obj 416 doesn't have a fully traversable turret (A-44 does though).

 

Overall, I think that's the best line to take up to the T-54 because it opens you up to all three Russian tier 10 mediums.



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View PostBall_Turret, on Mar 28 2017 - 21:13, said:

As much as I have looked on the wiki for a quick summary and browsing the stats of the tank, how good is this Russian stealth tank? What would be the things I have to watch out for while I grind for the tank and when I get it?

 

I actually really enjoyed this tank..... its the Object 430 II that sucks the joy out of this line :(

 

The Object 416 is a great little tank but here are some things you need to know:

1.  Gun depression is really bad.

2.  The turret doesn't go all the way around

3.  Really plays better as a tank destroyer \ scout early in the game

4.  Not bad at brawling with lower tiers but again you need to be careful because the turret doesn't go all the way around

5.  Loved the gun, it has a good punch and comfortable DPM

 

Enjoy the 416 because the 430 II is just a depressing grind....... and it takes like 260k experience to get to the Object 430 at Tier X....... only 50k experience left to go



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View PostMikosah, on Mar 29 2017 - 04:57, said:

 

Remember that you can only freely swap crews in and out of premiums of the same class. The A44 and 416 may behave like TDs, but they're still technically mediums. So getting a crew trainer for these would only make sense if its also a medium. The T-34-85m or Rudy would work perfectly. But the SU-100y would only make sense if you were trying to train a TD crew.

 

Unfortunately for me I missed my chance to get Rudy a long time ago might get another chance if WG decides to do event repeats but I doubt it. I only thought of Box Tank mostly because the play style is similar to TDs like you said and the only medium prem tanks the Soviet tree has at the moment is there tier 5 matilda with a 76mm F-96 gun and the T-34 mod. 1 at tier 7. Imo I'm not ready to tackle tier 7vs9/10 games just yet might need to keep practicing in low tiers a bit longer.

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View Poststrenfoo, on Mar 29 2017 - 05:44, said:

The Obj 416 is a great tank.  I don't play it much anymore but it has a unique playstyle that can be a lot of fun.  As for the tanks leading up to it, I didn't really like the A-43 because it's basically a gimped Cromwell.  I did, however, like the A-44.  A lot of people give the A-44 a lot of crap but I didn't think it was bad at all.  Definitely don't waste free XP skipping it.  What trips a lot of people up on the A-44 and Obj 416 is the lack of gun depression.  If you're not used to playing tanks with no gun depression, this will be a good lesson :)  Also keep in mind that the Obj 416 doesn't have a fully traversable turret (A-44 does though).

 

Overall, I think that's the best line to take up to the T-54 because it opens you up to all three Russian tier 10 mediums.

 

Due to the A-44 having a fully traversable turret there is gun depression available to the A-44, but its over the back. If you swing the gun around you get quite good gun depression. Putting your backside to the opponent is not the best plan however so one must learn how to exploit this gun depression without getting buttshot.

 

With the lack of a fully traversable turret on the Obj 416, the driver will serve that tank well if he has the Clutch Braking skill. This skill allows traversing the body to make up for the lack of full traverse on the turret. The Obj 416 is quite quick when performing this maneuver, and clutch braking only makes it work better.


Edited by the_Deadly_Bulb, Mar 29 2017 - 19:52.


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View PostHarkonen_siegetank, on Mar 28 2017 - 19:30, said:

A-44 will crush your will to play. Skip it if you can.

 

wth? No. Do not listen to this person. The A-44 is brilliant and is one of QuickyBaby's favorite tanks. 

 

I'm guessing Harkonen here pokes around corners engine first in it and deals with a lot of fires. Got news for you Harkonen, some tanks need to played a bit different...



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Question should I get the Russian matilda prem tank to train crews for the 416 grind or should I look elsewhere?

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View PostDuff_man_, on Mar 29 2017 - 22:26, said:

 

wth? No. Do not listen to this person. The A-44 is brilliant and is one of QuickyBaby's favorite tanks. 

 

I'm guessing Harkonen here pokes around corners engine first in it and deals with a lot of fires. Got news for you Harkonen, some tanks need to played a bit different...

 

Looooool

 

Orzanel, Foch, Circon, Anfield, Zeven infinitely times better. Also as a plus they don't run SHs with their namesake clan then blame the players for following garbage calls given to them, as QB does.


Edited by sranjebarn_Specialist, Mar 31 2017 - 11:59.


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View PostBall_Turret, on Mar 31 2017 - 05:34, said:

Question should I get the Russian matilda prem tank to train crews for the 416 grind or should I look elsewhere?

 

 The Matilda IV is slow and has pretty bad pen, I wouldn't particularly recommend it.  You could get a T-54 mod 1 because it makes more credits as a Tier 8, or a T-34-85M because it's a really good Tier 6 now (will be on sale 4/27 to 5/8), or the Rudy because Brothers in Arms crew.




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