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blueribbon #1 Posted Mar 29 2017 - 23:31

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Hello, I was wondering about the armaments for various tier 2-4 German lights and mediums. I'm not calling for anything to be removed, I'm just curious as to which of the guns are historical or not, whether they were tested, planned or never considered.

 

Panzer I, represented in game as the Pz.Kpfw. I and the Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. C, has the following guns available:

  • 2 cm Kw.K. 30    
  • 2 cm Kw.K. 38    
  • 2 cm Breda (i)    (only on the Pz.Kpfw. I)
  • 7,92 mm Mauser E.W. 141    (only on the  Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. C)

 

From what I've read, of the guns listed here the Panzer I was only ever equipped with the  7,92 mm Mauser E.W. 141 on the Pz. I C and the 2 cm Breda as field conversions during the Spanish Civil War. Were the 2 cm Kw.K guns planned for any of the Panzer I variants? I have read that a 2 cm gun was equipped on one of the predecessors to the Pz I, but probably doesn't count.

 

The Panzer II is present in game as several different tanks. The II J and II D have their historical armaments, although the standard tier 2 Pz. II has a 2 cm Flak 38 that apparently was never used on the tank. I'm pretty sure the II G never had the Flak 38 either, as well as it not having the 3 cm M.K. 103. Correct me if I'm wrong though, since I got that information from the WoT wiki which can be inaccurate.

 

The one that confuses me the most is the Luchs, which has a bunch of guns available to it for some reason. From what I know, it was only ever equipped with the 2 cm KwK 38 and the 5 cm Kw.K. 39 L/60. However, the historical accuracy note on the bottom of the Luchs' WoT wiki page says that only the  2cm Flak 38 and 3 cm M.K. 103 are fake, implying that the rest of its guns are historical in some way. Is that true? Were the other two guns, the 5 cm Kw.K. 38 L/42 and the 3,7 cm Kw.K. 36 L/46.5, planned or tested for the Luchs? Or is the person who wrote that note incorrect? I'm leaning towards the latter, but I just wanted to be certain.

 

I had some questions on the Panzer III, IV, and the VK 16.02 Leopard as well but I'll ask them later in a separate post.



GeorgePreddy #2 Posted Mar 29 2017 - 23:41

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Yeah... I don't care... I mean I REEEEEALLLY don't care !

stalkervision #3 Posted Mar 30 2017 - 00:10

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great questions. Post them to the Chieftain.

Legiondude #4 Posted Mar 30 2017 - 01:19

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Barring large exceptions near tiers 1 and 10, almost all vehicles have at least 1 weapon that's their historical armament, and possibly more that were planned for the design or taken from related designs. Then there's the guns to make the vehicle competitive when elite, and then there's the guns to pad the grind out getting to elite.

 

So feel free to ask here(please keep it a single topic), but remember there's almost always some weapons that are not explicitly historical, or even plausible to the design in question.

 

Panzer I: No, the 2cm KwK's were not considered for the Panzer I. The Germans considered the Panzers I and II to be stepping stones for greater vehicles(III and IV)

Pz II J and D: These are premium tanks, which(again, barring exceptions you can count on your hard) are locked into their historical module configuration as a rule(much to everyone's hatred concerning both of these vehicles)

Pz II b/F: 2cm KwK 38 is from the later designs(J and later), but it's an improvement on the historical 2cm KwK 30. 2cm FlaK was not under consideration AFAIK

Pz II C/G: KwK 30 and EW 141 missing. KwK 38 IS historical to the IIG's brother design, Panzer II H though. The FlaK and MG130 are given for grind/balance purposes.

Pz II L "Luchs": 2cm KwK 38 and 5cm KwK 39 are historical. The other weapons are given to the vehicle as grind precedent.



blueribbon #5 Posted Mar 30 2017 - 01:38

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Thank you for the response, I'll get around to editing those tanks' wiki pages accordingly. The Pz II had a variant with the EW 141? I didn't know about that, thanks. The "1 gun must be historical" thing makes sense though, considering other oddities like the M48A1's 90mm M41 and the IS-4's 122 mm D-25T.

 

And don't worry, I was going to ask about the other vehicle configurations in this topic later and not make a new thread.



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View Postblueribbon, on Mar 29 2017 - 18:38, said:

The Pz II had a variant with the EW 141?

Specifically Pz II G as made for the war



blueribbon #7 Posted Mar 30 2017 - 02:18

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Thanks again. Regarding the II G, I'd also read that a couple were converted to use the 50mm Pak 38 and sent to the Eastern Front. Is it referring to this?
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Edited by blueribbon, Mar 30 2017 - 02:19.


Legiondude #8 Posted Mar 30 2017 - 05:23

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A couple Panzer II's besides the Luchs were entertained with that gun, I'm getting conflicting reports on what specific models were converted to that vehicle's standard but indications lean towards "Yes"

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Yes.

 

While we're on the topic of guns and while it's more of a nitpick against WG than anything, I really would wish they would fix the gun designations for lower tier german guns. Taking the Luchs for example, it has the 2cm KwK 38 and the 2cm Flak 38 as two gun choices. They are essentially the same gun. The KwK 30 and 38 guns were modified versions of the Flak 30 and 38 models designed for use in turrets, with heavier barrels (until '43) and some features moved, such as the cocking mechanism. Flak guns would never be installed in Panzers, that was what the Flakpanzers were for.

 

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