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AquaShrimp #1 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 04:14

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At 10:22 in this video, it shows Shermans with what appears to be two cannons.  This is a Korean War documentary.  What type of Shermans are these?

 

 

 



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Isn't that like where the MG in the turret should be?

Yao_Wang #3 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 04:23

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View PostAquaShrimp, on Apr 07 2017 - 19:14, said:

At 10:22 in this video, it shows Shermans with what appears to be two cannons.  This is a Korean War documentary.  What type of Shermans are these?

 

look like its just a stock M4 Sherman with the the coax machine gun covered in a large barrel/tube to look like it has two big guns



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Flame tanks.  I cant find a decent pic of it in action but the flame comes out of the off set barrel.

 



LonelySamurai12 #5 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 04:24

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Those are crocodile sherman, sherman with a flamethrower

jt1alta #6 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 04:25

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Imo,They are M4A3E8's with the POA-CWS-HS flame throwing equipment mounted.

PrimarchRogalDorn #7 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 04:31

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View PostLonelySamurai12, on Apr 07 2017 - 22:24, said:

Those are crocodile sherman, sherman with a flamethrower

 

Crocodiles had trailers, this doesn't. It's an M4A3R2 flame tank (or an R3, they were pretty much identical).

Edited by PrimarchRogalDorn, Apr 08 2017 - 04:48.


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View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Apr 07 2017 - 21:23, said:

Flame tanks.  I cant find a decent pic of it in action but the flame comes out of the off set barrel.

 

 

That's a post WW2 Crocadile (flamethrowing Sherman)! 

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View PostBladedPheonix, on Apr 07 2017 - 22:40, said:

 

That's a post WW2 Crocadile (flamethrowing Sherman)! 

 

M4A3R2/R3's were used on Okinawa and Iwo Jima during the war

M4A3R3 on Iwo Jima, March 1945


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Demonic_Angel_of_Death #10 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 05:30

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Sherman Flame Thrower...

 

Yo they could put these in the game... you only fire the flame thrower, and every time you hit someone they light on fire... takes 10 seconds to reload, but when you fire you get 2-3 seconds of constant fire that you can rotate around anyway you want, potentially setting multiple tanks ablaze, forcing them to use the extinguishers, and then doing it again in 10 seconds, and maybe even a 3rd time if they carry two extinguishers... Hopefully by the 3rd-4th time they'd be dead from burning out, or at least be rendered "combat ineffective"... 

 

That would make SPG "Cancer" seem like a band-aid being ripped off compared to that kind of cancer...


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KaiserWilhelmShatner #11 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 06:44

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View PostBladedPheonix, on Apr 07 2017 - 19:40, said:

 

That's a post WW2 Crocadile (flamethrowing Sherman)! 

 

And?  The film the OP got the question from is from the Korean War.

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A good unit from coh.

AquaShrimp #13 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 14:25

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View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Apr 08 2017 - 03:23, said:

Flame tanks.  I cant find a decent pic of it in action but the flame comes out of the off set barrel.

 

 

That appears to be a 105mm rather than a 75mm. What is the mm of the main cannon?

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View PostAquaShrimp, on Apr 08 2017 - 08:25, said:

 

That appears to be a 105mm rather than a 75mm. What is the mm of the main cannon?

 

It's a 75. The 105mm howitzer is shorter.

AquaShrimp #15 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 17:52

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View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Apr 08 2017 - 14:10, said:

 

It's a 75. The 105mm howitzer is shorter.

 

Are you sure? I have found reference to them being 105mm.  Unfortunately the photo is from the rear.
 

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The M4A3R3 variant of the Sherman tank on exercises in Korea.
18 September 1953. #Koreanwar #Shermantank

This M4A3(105) HVSS Sherman is fitted with a flame gun mounted coaxially with its 105mm howitzer. Howitzer ammunition stowage was reduced to 20 rounds.

 


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AquaShrimp #16 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 18:02

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Found it:

 

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 POA-CWS-H5 flamethrower tank, with the 105 mm howitzer and flame gun mounted coaxially; howitzer ammunition stowage was reduced to 20 rounds. Its designation stands for the Pacific Ocean Area, with the flame gun developed by the Chemical Warfare Service in Hawaii. This design replaced the previous POA-CWS-H1 that had the flame gun replacing the tank's regular armament. The POA-CWS-H5 could be constructed from either 75mm gun or 105mm howitzer tanks, but the design missed seeing action in World War II. The Marines employed a single platoon of nine 105 mm howitzer POA-CWS-H5 tanks in the Korean War attached to the Headquarters and Service Company of the First Tank Battalion. The crew was reduced to four Marines due to the space taken up by the flame equipment, with the TC inheriting the role of gunner as well.

 

 



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View PostAquaShrimp, on Apr 08 2017 - 12:02, said:

Found it:

 

 

 

 

I could have sworn it was a 75mm, but looks like I was wrong. Do you mind me asking where you found this?

AquaShrimp #18 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 18:42

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View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Apr 08 2017 - 17:27, said:

 

I could have sworn it was a 75mm, but looks like I was wrong. Do you mind me asking where you found this?

 

Tanknet.com 

Also you might not be wrong. There were both 105mm and 75mm versions. So that could very well be a 75mm.



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View PostAquaShrimp, on Apr 08 2017 - 12:42, said:

 

Tanknet.com 

Also you might not be wrong. There were both 105mm and 75mm versions. So that could very well be a 75mm.

 

Thanks.

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If my 1:16 scale Tamiya radio controlled Sherman is accurate, then that barrel is definitely a 105. My model is a 105 and the diameter of the barrel and it's length is identical to what is shown in that photo.




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