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Knumb_Knutz #21 Posted Apr 14 2017 - 06:18

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View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Apr 07 2017 - 19:31, said:

 

Crocodiles had trailers, this doesn't. It's an M4A3R2 flame tank (or an R3, they were pretty much identical).

 

Crocodiles where Britich Churchill III's that had the flame thrower fuel being towed behind the tank.  The tank in the picture is an M4A3E2 Jumbo that was modified to carry the flame thrower.  The fuel was carried inside the tank by replacing one of the fuel tanks with the flame thrower mixture and removing most of the ammo for it's main gun.  



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View PostKnumb_Knutz, on Apr 14 2017 - 00:18, said:

 

Crocodiles where Britich Churchill III's that had the flame thrower fuel being towed behind the tank.  The tank in the picture is an M4A3E2 Jumbo that was modified to carry the flame thrower.  The fuel was carried inside the tank by replacing one of the fuel tanks with the flame thrower mixture and removing most of the ammo for it's main gun.  

 

It's not an E2, either. The hull lacks the added armor, the transmission housing is too thin, the turret doesn't match (E2's was based on the T23 turret), and it has HVSS, which was only mounted on the T33 AFAIK. (T33 was a demolition vehicle based on the E2)

Fett713 #23 Posted May 06 2017 - 07:44

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View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Apr 07 2017 - 22:23, said:

Flame tanks.  I cant find a decent pic of it in action but the flame comes out of the off set barrel.

 

 

M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS Fitted with the earlier mentioned Flamethrower, POA-CWS-H5, that's for certain a 105mm as it is barely long enough to pass the transmission housing. The 75 or 76 would be several feet beyond the nose.

View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Apr 07 2017 - 22:41, said:

 

M4A3R2/R3's were used on Okinawa and Iwo Jima during the war

M4A3R3 on Iwo Jima, March 1945

 

This is as PrimarchRogalDorn says, an M4A3R3, which was based on the M4A3, not Jumbo, the one in the picture has applique armor fitted by the crew. This tank used a different Flamethrower system than the above tank.

 

And the Crocodile was a British Churchill Mk. III with a fuel trailer, HOWEVER, there were a few M4 Shermans that had also been converted the same way including the trailer, British ones though, not American.



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View PostPrimarchRogalDorn, on Apr 14 2017 - 00:22, said:

 

It's not an E2, either. The hull lacks the added armor, the transmission housing is too thin, the turret doesn't match (E2's was based on the T23 turret), and it has HVSS, which was only mounted on the T33 AFAIK. (T33 was a demolition vehicle based on the E2)

 

Actually there were many Sherman variants with HVSS, M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS, M4A3E9/M4A3(105), M4A1E8/M4A1(76)W HVSS, M4A2E8/M4A2(76)W HVSS, M4(105) w/ HVSS, yes, a few regular old stock M4's had been upgraded at one point with HVSS I believe. M40/M43 GMC based on the M4A3 HVSS, M32A1B1 TRV (Tank Recovery Vehicle), M74 TRV, and last but not least, the M50/M51 Israeli Super Sherman (first batch of M50's had VVSS, but the rest had HVSS) I also have heard there maybe being a few oddball Sherman Firefly IVCY's that had HVSS.

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View PostFett713, on May 06 2017 - 02:06, said:

 

Actually there were many Sherman variants with HVSS, M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS, M4A3E9/M4A3(105), M4A1E8/M4A1(76)W HVSS, M4A2E8/M4A2(76)W HVSS, M4(105) w/ HVSS, yes, a few regular old stock M4's had been upgraded at one point with HVSS I believe. M40/M43 GMC based on the M4A3 HVSS, M32A1B1 TRV (Tank Recovery Vehicle), M74 TRV, and last but not least, the M50/M51 Israeli Super Sherman (first batch of M50's had VVSS, but the rest had HVSS) I also have heard there maybe being a few oddball Sherman Firefly IVCY's that had HVSS.

 

I was referring specifically to M4A3E2's with HVSS. The only variant of the E2 that had HVSS was the T33.
 



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Ahh got ya, I sorta figured you were, but wasn't sure, none the less the list may help someone else interested in the HVSS etc.




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