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Weslinator #21 Posted Apr 16 2017 - 01:31

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 I don't know the AT-7 and Black Prince are pretty bad 

I don't know what to say..... Just that they ain't bad. 

 



earthman34 #22 Posted Apr 16 2017 - 02:00

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View PostWeslinator, on Apr 15 2017 - 18:31, said:

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 I don't know the AT-7 and Black Prince are pretty bad 

I don't know what to say..... Just that they ain't bad. 

 

 

They aren't that bad. AT-7 is situational like all slow turretless TDs, but it can DPM up a storm. Black Prince is very workable if you understand it's weaknesses. It's at least as tough as the Tiger P is.



Duma #23 Posted Apr 21 2017 - 00:36

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Loved it.  Kept it.

 

That said.  The RoF needs to be buffed.  When I put it aside everything and I mean everythin was penetrating it.  At least that is my perception.  Have not played it in awhile.



Gothraul #24 Posted Apr 21 2017 - 02:59

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I wish that my A45 was only as bad as the Tiger P.

 



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View Postearthman34, on Apr 16 2017 - 01:29, said:

 

​I had a Pz38(t) shoot at my front 5 times and penetrate 3.... There is a problem here. When a tier 7 heavy can be shot up by a tier 4 light frontally, something is wrong. Here's the crazy part. I hit him in the turret and it bounced. 203 average pen bounces off a tier 4 light tank. This thing needs a buff, either to armor, to speed, to turret traverse (please), or something.

 

Pz 38 t or Pz 38Na? pz 38 na load gold has 130 pen

spinax22 #26 Posted May 08 2017 - 21:16

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well, the Ke-Ho has 131mm of pen on premium AP rounds, so the front of your tier 7 heavy looks like this. http://tanks.gg/tank...s=ke-ho&vm=live



Surihtanil #27 Posted May 16 2017 - 00:26

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Tiger P is beast.  I have 91 battles with 59% win ratio over 1,000 avg dmg per match.  I normally finish good matches for me personally with roughly with 2k dmg, 2k bounced, 2k assisted.  However, I picked Vk 100 P from tiger P, unlock first, I hate that tank and consider selling it I struggle to max what it does best... always last into conflict. Always find myself locked down to a light or medium having me suppressed from the herd. At choke points,  being slow, even lights and mediums in this thing can turn your match off, track you in the open artillery/TD will pound you before you get back into a cover point.

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View PostSurihtanil, on May 15 2017 - 17:26, said:

Tiger P is beast.  I have 91 battles with 59% win ratio over 1,000 avg dmg per match.  I normally finish good matches for me personally with roughly with 2k dmg, 2k bounced, 2k assisted.  However, I picked Vk 100 P from tiger P, unlock first, I hate that tank and consider selling it I struggle to max what it does best... always last into conflict. Always find myself locked down to a light or medium having me suppressed from the herd. At choke points,  being slow, even lights and mediums in this thing can turn your match off, track you in the open artillery/TD will pound you before you get back into a cover point.

 

The 59% is a statistical outlier, you got better teams and games than others have. 1000 dpg is not 59% level damage.

Surihtanil #29 Posted May 16 2017 - 00:46

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1100dmg is pretty consistent for me in this tank, and at tier 7 when half the team is finishing with 0 dmg I am perfectly okay with that because I only do pub matches. Especially when many tanks you're facing has 600 health. When you get 2=3 kills per match you have done you part in helping the team when majority now is on somewhat level playing field with new MM. I have never had a match I recall below 1100dmg. While its also average, but I am also not a expert.  If I had 40,000 battles played in WoT I would like to think I could obtain double what I have now in Tiger P on the  regular. I am not a good player and this is my only account.  I am not far from 2nd mark and I earned mastery in Tiger P within my first 20 match.  That said, its not a bad tank if I can play well in it.  If I continue to play this tank, I feel strongly my stats will only improve I am still learning it.  Tiger P could use tiny speed buff but I don't personally think its a bad tank it could become OP with to much love.

Edited by Surihtanil, May 16 2017 - 00:47.


5tgb #30 Posted May 19 2017 - 21:48

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The Tiger P is about as bad a heavy as I have played for its tier.  The ROF, mobility and suspect armor make for a demoralizing playing experience for the most part.

 

Those of you happy with 1000 or 1100 dmg in a game, all the more power to you, but for me that is not nearly good enough (unless I am in a tier 9 match).

 

The other tier 7 heavies are ALL better.

 

To be able to compare the Tiger P to these others, there would need to be buffs to mobility and ROF, at least to that of the Tiger 1.



SenHai #31 Posted Jun 04 2017 - 05:24

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I say don't buff RoF, that's Tiger 1's shtick it needs the dpm. Buff the tiger p's lower plate to 100mm and its cheeks to 100mm. That's really all it needs. Its lower plate would still be pen-able but not from all angles and its cheeks wouldn't be cheese unless flat.

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View PostHowitzerBlitzer, on Apr 15 2017 - 12:17, said:

I still think the AMX M4 45 is worse.

 

It sure as heck isn't.
So far, in playing both the P and the 4 45: My experience has been that the AMX is the better machine.
Both tanks can viewed as "support heavies"; but the AMX at least has a maneuverability/speed advantage.
The P can be outmaneuvered by far too many vehicles. AND it's traverse is awful.
I feel that one of the problems with it is the perception that one should "stand off" and snipe with the P. - My experience is that you may as well paint a giant bullseye for Arty wherever on a given map you choose to do that. As you ARE going to get spotted. And with the P's terrible maneuverability: You are going to get blown to pieces faster than you can say "P".

Midna1 #33 Posted Jun 08 2017 - 20:02

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i've never played the tiger p myself but what about that british tier 7 heavy the a45? that thing was god awful

Tex_Arcana #34 Posted Jun 27 2017 - 02:04

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I have to say that the grind has been pretty easy in the P so far.
A little free xp for the tracks and turret; Gun opened up from the Tiger grind, and away I went.
City maps seem to work best; but it's been ok in more open settings (Except for Prok/Fiery Salient. Which SUCKS as a map for everything except TD's and Arty imo).
Only 40 k to go for both of the tier 8's (45.02A unlocked. Just grinding the last bit for the 100.01P).
I absolutely agree that it is a little bit of a sad sack when compared to the other tier 7's. But; Over 50% in it, So it isn't THAT bad.

Edited by Tex_Arcana, Jun 27 2017 - 16:27.


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View PostSurihtanil, on May 15 2017 - 18:46, said:

1100dmg is pretty consistent for me in this tank, and at tier 7 when half the team is finishing with 0 dmg I am perfectly okay with that because I only do pub matches. Especially when many tanks you're facing has 600 health. When you get 2=3 kills per match you have done you part in helping the team when majority now is on somewhat level playing field with new MM. I have never had a match I recall below 1100dmg. While its also average, but I am also not a expert.  If I had 40,000 battles played in WoT I would like to think I could obtain double what I have now in Tiger P on the  regular. I am not a good player and this is my only account.  I am not far from 2nd mark and I earned mastery in Tiger P within my first 20 match.  That said, its not a bad tank if I can play well in it.  If I continue to play this tank, I feel strongly my stats will only improve I am still learning it.  Tiger P could use tiny speed buff but I don't personally think its a bad tank it could become OP with to much love.

 

You need to do at least your own HP in dmg on that tank to be slightly above average on the server.  You're being carried, by either your teams or platoon mates...period point blank.




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