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Fr33kzilla #1 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 21:42

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Ever since the VK-100.00 came out, a LOT of people have been getting them and using them to great effect. They are beasts. Not perfect or unkillable, but definitely no slouch. Now here's the problem. I have the T-32, and it is WAY out classed by the VK-100 which is the same tier. The T-32's gun just does NOT have the punch to do much of anything against the beast. It's the same gun used in the T-29, which is Tier 7. After doing some research and digging, I compared ALL the heavy tanks guns. While the T5e1 isn't the lowest in every catagory, it doesn't stack up well against the other guns. You see, it's 105mm, which isn't derpy like the IS-3, so it doesn't have the large alpha damage like the IS-3. But then again, it also isn't like the british and french heavy tank guns, which both have more pen and faster rate of fire. The closest gun is the VK-45's, which has a tiny bit more pen and the same damage, but is more accurate. So as you can see, the T-32's gun doesn't excel at anything. It's an ok gun for Tier 7, but it just doesn't cut it for Tier 8.

Also, an indicator that the T-32 isn't as good as people claim it to be, is I looked up which tanks do the most damage, in the heavy category, the T-32 was 27th out of 30. That's pretty bad considering there's only 1 heavy line for americans. Here's some other rankings:

Damage done: 27th

Pen rate: 30th dead last

dps: 27th

Damage received: 13th

Damage ratio: 27th

Accuracy: 18th.

Survival rate:18th

Doesn't that say something? Oddly enough, if you include the mediums in Tier 8 with the heavies, The T-32 comes in at #84 out of 85 in pen rate. OUCH! And 66th out of 85 in damage done. I could go on, but COME ON! It's the ONLY heavy for the american line at T8. Both the german and russian, the only other nation to be original to the game both have 2 heavy lines. (at the beginning of the game, prior to 2011, there were only 3 nations in the game IIRC. American, Russian and German) So while people say the T-32 is fine, the numbers just don't agree with you. The statistics clearly show that the T-32 is in bad shape as a heavy goes.

 

What I'm proposing is giving the T-32 the T5e1M2 gun as the new top gun. It has a little more pen, about 20 more pen, and does a bit more damage. It won't pen quit as much as the brit and french guns, but close, and it wont do as much alpha as the russian or german guns, but it will be better than it is now. Make the current top gun, the T5e1, the starter gun. There's NO reason the same top gun is used in 2 tiers of heavy tank. That's just plainly not smart and it gimps the american line badly, quite obviously. I know some may speak up and scream, "but it has great turret armor on the front!"......ya so does the Vk-100, and the IS-3 and IS-6 armor might as well be as thick considering it is sooo bouncy! A Lot of tanks have good turret armor, AND they also have better hull armor. It's actually rare to be able to go hull down and when you do, if you move you lose the hull down protection, thus negating it's benefit. So don't use that as an excuse.

 

There's just NO excuse to NOT give the T-32 an upgrade. The T5e1M2 is not as good as the T53A1 used in the T-34, so the T-34 will remain relevant. BTW, the 120mm T-34, does more damage more pen and is more accurate.


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ktalex #2 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 21:51

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Use gold. T32 is a beast.

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View Postktalex, on Apr 17 2017 - 15:51, said:

Use gold. T32 is a beast.

 

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madogthefirst #4 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 21:57

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Weird, when did the Soviet tree get the T-32?

Fr33kzilla #5 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 21:58

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View Postktalex, on Apr 17 2017 - 21:51, said:

Use gold. T32 is a beast.

 

See, you're not getting it. The stats are based on using standard ammo, and the T-32 falls short. You shouldn't have to use gold ammo to be competitive to someone who can use cheaper base ammo and STILL be better off. Also, if the T-32 is such a beast, why is it one of the LEAST played T8 heavies???? Explain THAT.

Fr33kzilla #6 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 22:02

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View Postmadogthefirst, on Apr 17 2017 - 21:57, said:

Weird, when did the Soviet tree get the T-32?

 

They didn't. The soviets have 2 heavy lines at T8, the IS-3 and the KV-4. The Germans have the VK45 and the VK100. The American line is the only original nation from when the game started that doesn't have a 2nd heavy line. All other nations were added later on.

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View PostFr33kzilla, on Apr 17 2017 - 14:58, said:

 

See, you're not getting it. The stats are based on using standard ammo, and the T-32 falls short. You shouldn't have to use gold ammo to be competitive to someone who can use cheaper base ammo and STILL be better off. Also, if the T-32 is such a beast, why is it one of the LEAST played T8 heavies???? Explain THAT.

 

It is 8th of 30 in games played of tier 8 heavies.  The T-32 has maybe been power creeped a bit, but it is still pretty competitive.  It isn't the T-29, by any means, but it isn't the M103, either.  That thing needs the love, not the T-32. 

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View Postmadogthefirst, on Apr 17 2017 - 12:57, said:

Weird, when did the Soviet tree get the T-32?

 

Ha

View PostFr33kzilla, on Apr 17 2017 - 13:02, said:

 

They didn't. The soviets have 2 heavy lines at T8, the IS-3 and the KV-4. The Germans have the VK45 and the VK100. The American line is the only original nation from when the game started that doesn't have a 2nd heavy line. All other nations were added later on.

 

Most american tanks don't use a hyphen in their designation. e.g. M103 T110E5 M4 M4A3E8 T57 T67 T71 T54E1 M10 M24 T37 T20 T29 T32

 

Most russian tanks have hyphens e.g. T-34 T-34-85 T-43 IS-3 IS-2 IS-4 IS-5 IS-6 IS-7 IS-8 T-54 T-62A 

 

So yeah, use the hyphen correctly. 



Fr33kzilla #9 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 22:34

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View PostDa_Craw, on Apr 17 2017 - 22:13, said:

 

It is 8th of 30 in games played of tier 8 heavies.  The T-32 has maybe been power creeped a bit, but it is still pretty competitive.  It isn't the T-29, by any means, but it isn't the M103, either.  That thing needs the love, not the T-32. 

 

Hmm, interesting.mine says 9th out of 29 in terms of played. Ahh, I still had mediums included. Still though, that doesn't negate it's other short comings. I don't have the M103 so I wont comment on that. I am speaking purely of the T32. Coming in 27th in damage done and damage ratio and LAST in pen rate PROVES it is NOT competitive. Get some glasses please, you are blind if you can't see it.

 

(edited to remove that communist hyphen clydecooper421 and madogthefirst were so upset over.)


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Fr33kzilla #10 Posted Apr 17 2017 - 22:37

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View PostClydeCooper421, on Apr 17 2017 - 22:25, said:

 

Ha

 

Most american tanks don't use a hyphen in their designation. e.g. M103 T110E5 M4 M4A3E8 T57 T67 T71 T54E1 M10 M24 T37 T20 T29 T32

 

Most russian tanks have hyphens e.g. T-34 T-34-85 T-43 IS-3 IS-2 IS-4 IS-5 IS-6 IS-7 IS-8 T-54 T-62A 

 

So yeah, use the hyphen correctly. 

 

Really? Seriously? Talk about a hyphen nazi, sheesh. Well excuse me for using a hyphen incorrectly, I should be flogged and drawn and quartered for such an offense I suppose?

 



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Not all tanks can/will be competitive. USA has many good tanks, it's ok for them to have their share of "bad" ones too.

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View PostFr33kzilla, on Apr 17 2017 - 13:02, said:

 

They didn't. The soviets have 2 heavy lines at T8, the IS-3 and the KV-4. The Germans have the VK45 and the VK100. The American line is the only original nation from when the game started that doesn't have a 2nd heavy line. All other nations were added later on.

They didn't? o.O

Then why is there a filthy communist hyphen?



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View Postmisterwit, on Apr 17 2017 - 22:48, said:

Not all tanks can/will be competitive. USA has many good tanks, it's ok for them to have their share of "bad" ones too.

 

The M3 Lee is looking at you. I can understand that from a perspective, but not so much when its the only choice in the tank line. If there was another heavy line, then ok, there is a choice.

 

All in all though, I'm NOT asking for an armor upgrade, just a slight gun upgrade to improve it a little to counter balance the improvements to other heavy lines. Most notably the VK100. I'm also not asking for the much better gun from the T34, which is STILL better than the T5e1M2 I'm asking for them to include. The improvement may be minor, but it's enough to bring the gun and tank into a better parity with other tanks of the same tier. It may still lack a little in some catagories, but it will be close enough that if you play smart and well, that difference can be over come. But at least, it will be a bit more balanced than it is.



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View Postmadogthefirst, on Apr 17 2017 - 23:04, said:

They didn't? o.O

Then why is there a filthy communist hyphen?

 

okay Troll, that is quite enough out of you. Here, take your hyphens and go home.  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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View Postmisterwit, on Apr 17 2017 - 22:48, said:

Not all tanks can/will be competitive. USA has many good tanks, it's ok for them to have their share of "bad" ones too.

 

Also, so far, the only tanks I've played that I've seen as being really "bad" have been the M3 Lee, the D.W. 2,  the churchill, and the Tier 5 swedish tank and TD.  Most others I can see their niche more clearly defined and their short comings. To be honest, the T32, IMO, "feels" more like a heavy medium than a true heavy, yet is in the pure heavy class. And you and I both know that as it is designated a heavy if I don't play it as a heavy, there will be tons of bit****g and screaming from other players for it. You KNOW that'll happen.

Fr33kzilla #16 Posted Apr 18 2017 - 19:02

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This is from WG own website:

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Cons:

 

  • Hull armor is still penetrated outside of top tier, despite being slightly thicker and better angled than the T29.
  • Horrible when stock: The stock turret is flimsy and equipping the 105mm requires the suspension.
  • Worst guns of its tiers, poor penetration, accuracy and DPM.
  • High ammo costs means it doesn't earn much credits in a good game, and loses a lot in a bad game.
  • Slow and low top speed.

 

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Compared to other tanks of its tier, the T32's main weakness is the 105mm T5E1. Against the tier 10 tanks which the T32 faces (and the T29 avoided) as well as some tier 8 and 9 tanks, it lacks high penetrating power and thus can struggle in frontal engagements.

 

So, even THEY know the gun is weak.



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I wonder if we could get some input from WG themselves on this. Sure would be nice to know what they are thinking. Seeing as even THEY know it's a weak gun and all. So why not give it an upgrade, at least a small one?

 

COME ON WG. Show the T32 some love and give it a better gun. I mean really, considering how much the shells cost, you'd think they would do a better job. SHEESH!


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The T32 and M103 need some loving.

 

T32 just needs a better gun, its pathetic that a Tier 8 can't even pen another tier 8 often without using premium ammo, that or make the ammo free and a 2 second reload so it can spam rarely penning shots. Other then the guns pathetic pen its a good tank.

 

The M103 just needs its turret fixed. Can't count how many times since I bought it that direct hits from head on pen the front of the turret and ammo rack it. Check the impact point and just to the left or right of the barrel on its highest angle of the turrets front and its toast each time.



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PLEASE, for the love of god, can we PLEASE get an upgrad to the T32's gun?????????  This is ridiculous! I've had non penetrating shots on tier 6's for cryin out loud!!! 

 

I'll say this, if WG does NOT upgrade the T32's gun, then that is CLEAR evidence that they are deliberately gimping the american heavy tank line. I can't friggen stand it. It's a game, not a simulator. It so frustrating to have tanks a tier lower than you be able to burn right through tanks you can't even pen. I'm about ready to give up for good.


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Oh this is a good one. Just got out of a match where I was faced off against a.......ANOTHER T32!!!!   Shot after shot after shot, bounce bounce bounce. Neither one of us could pen the other LOL. I track him he track me, back and forth until.........a T8 LIGHT tank shot him head on and penned him. WoW WG. Realy? A LIGHT tank is now better than my heavy? That's F'ed up. Go ahead, do whatever the eff you want. I'm tired of the Anti-American BullS*** in this game. From player taunts, to company staff laughing about it.  I'm done.

 

Just close my account and delete my character or whatever. I'm done with you racist jerks.

 

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