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Sidekick2016 #1 Posted Apr 23 2017 - 14:08

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Grille 15

Grille will receive the following:

-Engine Power increased from 850 to 900.

-Reverse Speed Increased from 15kph to 20 kph.

-Gun Depression changed from -7° to -8°.

-Reload reduced from 18 sec to 16.5 sec.

-Shell velocity for 15cm Pak L/56 increased from 1200mps to 1350mps.

-Hull traverse speed increased from 25° to 35°.


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Kekistani #2 Posted Apr 23 2017 - 14:11

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Now why the hell would they do that?

Sidekick2016 #3 Posted Apr 23 2017 - 14:17

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View Post9gagger, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:11, said:

Now why the hell would they do that?

 

Because it sucks now, it's only great in some maps, it's so horrible that no one plays it anymore, rarely see it in Tier 10 games and when I do see it it has no importance, why cause it's needs to hide more than fight and it can't do that that well.

 


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those were decreased from the higher number to the lower one it did get nerfed

Sidekick2016 #5 Posted Apr 23 2017 - 14:19

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View Postdestroyerdude2003, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:17, said:

those were decreased from the higher number to the lower one it did get nerfed

 

I know, I want them to reverse them tank to what they were.

Sokolniki #6 Posted Apr 23 2017 - 14:20

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Seriously, why would it need a buff?  It's within acceptable parameters as far as winrate is concerned (48%), is a top 5 damage dealer among TD's, and enjoy's an average damage ratio of 1.4.  It is in need of no buffs.  The Foch 155 and the 268 are in greater need of buffs than the Grille 15.

A tank doesn't need to be great on every map in order to be considered a good tank.

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Sidekick2016 #7 Posted Apr 23 2017 - 14:26

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View PostSokolniki, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:20, said:

Seriously, why would it need a buff?  It's within acceptable parameters as far as winrate is concerned (48%), is a top 5 damage dealer among TD's, and enjoy's an average damage ratio of 1.4.  It is in need of no buffs.  The Foch 155 and the 268 are in greater need of buffs than the Grille 15.

A tank doesn't need to be great on every map in order to be considered a good tank.

 

It has no armor, it has average pen for tier 10, OBJ 268 does not get ripped by HE from tier 7's, Foch 155 super hard armor, needs prem ammo from tier 10 to pen. Please don't be ridiculous, if WG actually believes you then they are a joke.

 

You want OBJ 268 to not be penned from tier 10's and you want the Foch 155 to be super OP and be top tank in game, AND you want the grill to be a tier 7 in order of SU-152. DO YOU HAVE ONE, NO!


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nickalaso123 #8 Posted Apr 23 2017 - 14:29

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View PostSokolniki, on Apr 23 2017 - 06:20, said:

Seriously, why would it need a buff?  It's within acceptable parameters as far as winrate is concerned (48%), is a top 5 damage dealer among TD's, and enjoy's an average damage ratio of 1.4.  It is in need of no buffs.  The Foch 155 and the 268 are in greater need of buffs than the Grille 15.

A tank doesn't need to be great on every map in order to be considered a good tank.

 

I see the Grille quite commonly at t10 and it tends to to pretty well by a good player. Meanwhile I might see an Obj268 or Foch 155 every 15-20 or so games. Foch and Obj needs a serious buff right now, Grille is performing averagely, no need for buff.

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View Postnickalaso123, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:29, said:

 

I see the Grille quite commonly at t10 and it tends to to pretty well by a good player. Meanwhile I might see an Obj268 or Foch 155 every 15-20 or so games. Foch and Obj needs a serious buff right now, Grille is performing averagely, no need for buff.

 

It tends to do well by good players, that means what? Do you have one? NO! I have an average damage of about 2K in it, in order for this tank to carry the game you have to do 3K average damage. With current stats it is inconsistent do you know what I mean? If it is as you say that it gets played commonly then WG would buff this thing quickly cause it would see stats sink quickly.

Edited by Sidekick2016, Apr 23 2017 - 14:38.


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View PostSidekick2016, on Apr 23 2017 - 13:37, said:

 

It tends to do well by good players, that means what? Do you have one? NO! I have an average damage of about 2K in it, in order for this tank to carry the game you have to do 3K average damage. With current stats it is inconsistent do you know what I mean? If it is as you say that it gets played commonly then WG would buff this thing quickly cause it would see stats sink quickly.

 

The Grille is a fine TD.  The semi-turret and laser-like aim-time and accuracy still make it one of the best TD's in pubs.  I think you should consider thinking about how to improve your dpg to 3k instead of blaming the tank for preventing you from carrying. 

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They are not gonna buff it after having just nerfed it.

 

Anyhow I prefer my JpE100



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View PostSokolniki, on Apr 23 2017 - 07:20, said:

Seriously, why would it need a buff?  It's within acceptable parameters as far as winrate is concerned (48%), is a top 5 damage dealer among TD's, and enjoy's an average damage ratio of 1.4.  It is in need of no buffs.  The Foch 155 and the 268 are in greater need of buffs than the Grille 15.

A tank doesn't need to be great on every map in order to be considered a good tank.

 

Numbers guys are always funny when they dont know or care what those numbers mean. The Grille is almost non-existent on the battlefield now and has been non existent since the nerf.

 

THE NUMBERS you quote are whats left of the pre nerf great numbers...post nerf numbers are crap.

 

Again WG went to far in screwing up this TD...after replacing a great TD with it and telling us all its a good replacement for your Waffle...then castrating it when all the WoT little biotches started crying.

 

WG STOP LISTENING TOTALLY because when you do you SCREW UP badly.



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View PostSidekick2016, on Apr 23 2017 - 13:37, said:

 

It tends to do well by good players, that means what? Do you have one? NO! I have an average damage of about 2K in it, in order for this tank to carry the game you have to do 3K average damage. With current stats it is inconsistent do you know what I mean? If it is as you say that it gets played commonly then WG would buff this thing quickly cause it would see stats sink quickly.

 

Foch 155 is slow, way slower compared to grille. It has trash shell velocity, terrible accuracy, awful bloom, bad aim time, and a 50 second reload for only 3 shots. Gun arc is also pretty bad, and gun elevation/depression are nothing good. It can't clip most tier 10 heavies except few low hp ones. It has 2 very easy to notice weakpoints on top, and the sides are only 40mm so any 121 or higher caliber gun overmatches and pens it even from front. Or you could just shoot HEAT and pen it straight through. Camo is also nothing special.

 

268 is also pretty slow. It also has trash shell velocity, so while it has good accuracy, it doesn't hit often. Gun arc is extremely bad. Gun bloom is terrible, aim time is nothing special. DPM is nothing special. Elevation/depression nothing special. Armor is utter trash as it is an T-10 hull, and you can be penned with tier 7 guns on both foch 155 and obj 268. 

 

 Meanwhile, grille is super fast, has incredible shell velocity, 2nd best accuracy in-game, ridiculously good aim time balancing out bad bloom, super fast reload for a 15cm, and a turret. Gun depression is decent for a rear placed gun, and while you don't have armor, the entire point of tank is not to get hit. 

 

 

Yeah, you're garbage, it's not the tank.



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It's already the best tier 10 TD, even after the nerfs. It's fine.

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View PostKingtigerIVIV, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:43, said:

 

The Grille is a fine TD.  The semi-turret and laser-like aim-time and accuracy still make it one of the best TD's in pubs.  I think you should consider thinking about how to improve your dpg to 3k instead of blaming the tank for preventing you from carrying.

 

Play it for 200 games now and let us know about it, I will quit complaining.

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View PostKaiserMartens, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:46, said:

They are not gonna buff it after having just nerfed it.

 

Anyhow I prefer my JpE100

 

I would prefer your jg pz e100 also.

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View PostSidekick2016, on Apr 23 2017 - 13:51, said:

 

Play it for 200 games now and let us know about it, I will quit complaining.

 

157 games is enough for any educated player to get a good feel for a tank.

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View PostSuperTankDriver, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:47, said:

 

Foch 155 is slow, way slower compared to grille. It has trash shell velocity, terrible accuracy, awful bloom, bad aim time, and a 50 second reload for only 3 shots. Gun arc is also pretty bad, and gun elevation/depression are nothing good. It can't clip most tier 10 heavies except few low hp ones. It has 2 very easy to notice weakpoints on top, and the sides are only 40mm so any 121 or higher caliber gun overmatches and pens it even from front. Or you could just shoot HEAT and pen it straight through. Camo is also nothing special.

 

268 is also pretty slow. It also has trash shell velocity, so while it has good accuracy, it doesn't hit often. Gun arc is extremely bad. Gun bloom is terrible, aim time is nothing special. DPM is nothing special. Elevation/depression nothing special. Armor is utter trash as it is an T-10 hull, and you can be penned with tier 7 guns on both foch 155 and obj 268.

 

 Meanwhile, grille is super fast, has incredible shell velocity, 2nd best accuracy in-game, ridiculously good aim time balancing out bad bloom, super fast reload for a 15cm, and a turret. Gun depression is decent for a rear placed gun, and while you don't have armor, the entire point of tank is not to get hit.

 

 

Yeah, you're garbage, it's not the tank.

 

Foch 155 and 268 would have no such problems snipping from midrange, I will not explain cause you seem to have a good win rate and should know what I mean.

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View PostKingtigerIVIV, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:55, said:

 

157 games is enough for any educated player to get a good feel for a tank.

 

Educated in what? 157 games now after the nerf or prenerf. Mine are all after the nerf and I mean ALL.

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View PostSidekick2016, on Apr 23 2017 - 06:37, said:

 

It tends to do well by good players, that means what? Do you have one? NO! I have an average damage of about 2K in it, in order for this tank to carry the game you have to do 3K average damage. With current stats it is inconsistent do you know what I mean? If it is as you say that it gets played commonly then WG would buff this thing quickly cause it would see stats sink quickly.

 

Boohoo, If I can't carry in every game with every tank then it's a bad tank that needs a buff. Sorry mate but you cant be a super 10000wn8 unicum, learn to play and adapt instead of blaming WG for nerfing a OP td.




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