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Striker_70 #81 Posted Apr 25 2017 - 03:32

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View Postzarg12, on Apr 24 2017 - 20:26, said:

 

Because of OP's logic, your argument is invalid since you don't own the Grille 15. Sorry, OP!

 

I've been playing it on sandbox and common test servers.  The first nerf was big, but didn't make it unplayable.  The arty changes have acted like a 2nd nerf to the tank, and it's practically crippling.  

 

As it is right now, I won't be wasting my time or silver on the Grille 15.



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View Postzarg12, on Apr 25 2017 - 03:14, said:

 

You are beyond the realm of triggered, why is it so hard to admit you're being a complete degenerate? I would have a much better shot at applying at these top clans than you could ever hope for, why the brain damage? is it because you are severely upset the grille doesn't need a buff? What's wrong with you? Are you a 12 y/o?

 

No one would take you for the simple fact that you would be inactive with your tank lineup. I have been doing bad and my WN8 is almost the same as yours, remember I dropped almost 1% point just cause of the Grille 15, I can be up there quickly. Now I am tossing around the thought of selling the Grille 15 as it is right now.

Edited by Sidekick2016, Apr 25 2017 - 15:27.


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View PostStriker_70, on Apr 25 2017 - 03:20, said:

I agree, the Grille 15 seriously needs to be buffed again due to the 9.18 arty changes.  Arty in 9.18 has effectively acted as second huge nerf to the tank.

 

I don't usually shoot HE with it, rarely do, and I did not notice any drawbacks. I only use HE when I need to overmatch turret armor of Russian meds.

Edited by Sidekick2016, Apr 25 2017 - 15:32.


Sidekick2016 #84 Posted Apr 25 2017 - 15:35

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View Postnickalaso123, on Apr 24 2017 - 13:20, said:

 

Just because you earn a Mastery in a tank doesn't make you super good at it. If you say you're a good Grille player you wouldnt have a 40% winrate in a tank you played 700 times.

 

I am selling the Grill 15 I don't need to lose one more 1% point of my win rate.

 

Here you can see the sharp decline of the WN8 rating for this tank just after the nerf, unfair.

 

OBJ 263 WN8 looks much better, "not OP" and I never see this tank played.


 

I think the Grille 15 was a victim of just the large amount of how many players received it as a WT E100 replacement. Who had an excellent crew for it and stacked up games quickly after the replacement. This way WG got confused and overnerfet it but ruined the tank. The WN8 of the Grille 15 is very similar to a Tier 9 TD.


Edited by Sidekick2016, Apr 25 2017 - 16:06.


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I also hate the model of the Grille 15, looks so wrong WW2 Germany would have never made it work that way. It should have a flat surface at the rear and the turret should look like a larger version of the WT auf. PZ. 4 with larger slide and spring.

I think the model has to be reworked into one or the other, a camo based hull and turret like the picture above or a mobile version that has to look similar to the Scorpion G, with a turret that crew sits in. Right now it's a hybrid of both, it has a hull that sits high off the ground that should be mobile with good terrain traverse but with a turret that won't work when moving. I think it should have a hull that's lowered but still based of the panther and with a turret like the one above that has good camo and is slower but can move with great traverse 40 deg/sec and acceleration 12.5kmh/sec but no more then 45 kmh top speed, this way it can fight in bushes and in corners of boulders or buildings.

 


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Maahahenua #86 Posted Apr 25 2017 - 17:33

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I agree. The Grille 15 is a piece of junk. Yes, I hardly played it, but I can't stand it. I may not be a good player, but most of the tanks, in my experience, get better as you move up the grind. The tier 8 and 9 play so much better that there is no point to even own this tank. 

 

 



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View PostKingtigerIVIV, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:43, said:

 

The Grille is a fine TD.  The semi-turret and laser-like aim-time and accuracy still make it one of the best TD's in pubs.  I think you should consider thinking about how to improve your dpg to 3k instead of blaming the tank for preventing you from carrying. 

 

Laser-like aim-time? I see that you never played this crap period. The aimtime is a S H I T near its dispersions. The penetration is a joke for a TD. The mobility is a joke. The gun elevation and depresion are jokes, totally arbitrary and against its geometry.

Grille 15 geometry is good for its bad cammo; but, not good for its elevation and depression. The vehicle is completly arbitrary and has fake settings. It is a crap, a real S H I T. UNFORTUNATLY, HAS NOT ANY OTHER WORD TO USE.

Edited by PCA_PANADES, Jan 03 2018 - 22:22.


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View PostPCA_PANADES, on May 07 2017 - 15:11, said:

 

Laser-like aim-time? I see that you never played this crap period. The aimtime is a S H I T near its dispersions. The penetration is a joke for a TD. The mobility is a joke. The gun elevation and depresion are jokes, totally arbitrary and against its geometry.

Grille 15 geometry is good of its bad cammo; but, not good for its elevation and depression. The vehicle is completly arbitrary and has fake settings. It is a crap, a real S H I T. UNFORTUNATLY, HAS NOT ANY OTHER WORD TO USE.

 

0.26 dispersion at 100. Most accurate gun in the game
1.44 aim time. That is lightning fast.
279mm of penetration. I wouldn't call this a joke.
60 km\h is on par with some LTs. I don't think we have the same definition of a joke.
-7 depression is fair.

The tank is more than great. Stop looking for bad arguments.
 

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" 3 rounds with a 60 second reload"
the grille has roughly an 18 second reload. thats 3 shots every 54 seconds.  where as the french auto loader does not take an actual minute to fire all 3 rounds. its what? 5 seconds between rounds and is unaffected by extended ammo rack reload times between shell loads when clip is loaded. does the same 750 damage a shot, but can do 2250 damage in 15 seconds. where as the grille can only get one shot off for 750 damage every 18 seconds which is roughly 3.3 rounds a min.

4 crew foch vs 6 crew grille. and an extra loader to get injured.
foch has better gun and hull traverse speeds even though it has a lower power to weight ratio.

foch also has more hit points if i remember correctly.
thats not even taking armor into account where the foch is way over the grille in thickness and slope.


Edited by xeromorris, May 10 2017 - 08:42.


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View PostKingtigerIVIV, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:43, said:

 

The Grille is a fine TD.  The semi-turret and laser-like aim-time and accuracy still make it one of the best TD's in pubs.  I think you should consider thinking about how to improve your dpg to 3k instead of blaming the tank for preventing you from carrying. 

 

Man, you are one idiot. If you do not have a tank do not talk about it. Shut up.
You never played a Grille 15. Before the nerf it was a S H I T. Now it is quite unplayable.

Edited by PCA_PANADES, Jan 06 2018 - 23:19.


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View Postnickalaso123, on Apr 23 2017 - 14:59, said:

 

Boohoo, If I can't carry in every game with every tank then it's a bad tank that needs a buff. Sorry mate but you cant be a super 10000wn8 unicum, learn to play and adapt instead of blaming WG for nerfing a OP td.

 

The idiot mind of this guy thinks this way: wargaming can nerf without limits that the problem will never be the underpowered vehicle  but the players that perform badly on it. For this kind of retarded there are not the possibility of an underpowered vehicle.

My god, how can a man get a so retarded mind?

Tahllol #92 Posted Jan 02 2018 - 14:22

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View PostSidekick2016, on Apr 24 2017 - 00:45, said:

 

I don't understand? I drove this tank for 350 games and you know it better than me, and you don't even own it, you can argue with logic and I have no clue? Looks like WG listens to you, embarrassing for them.

 

No it's good WG doesn't like idiots like you that can't figure out the problem is you not the Grille. If you can't take 4 shots in a game to hit 3k damage the issue is you not the TD. Good enough pen to get thru almost any tank, with super accuracy and high Alpha and you are complaining about it because it doesn't do enough for you and has no armor. Then all you do is cry about it when others proved you wrong. You really do need to get out and get a life. 

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>Grille was overperforming

>WG nerfed it

>Average performance

>Op wants buff

 

:thonk:



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View Postboysenbeary, on Jan 03 2018 - 18:37, said:

>Grille was overperforming

>WG nerfed it

>Average performance

>Op wants buff

 

:thonk:

 

Grille 15 has the worse penetration and had its crapstats worsened.

Every buff in the armor means a special nerf for Grille. Same to artilery accuracy. 
And don't forget the changes in the concentration of shell in the aiming circle that changed and just totally kill the accuracy of this tank. It was a S H I T accuracy, now it is far worse than S H I T.

 



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View PostTahllol, on Jan 02 2018 - 14:22, said:

 

No it's good WG doesn't like idiots like you that can't figure out the problem is you not the Grille. If you can't take 4 shots in a game to hit 3k damage the issue is you not the TD. Good enough pen to get thru almost any tank, with super accuracy and high Alpha and you are complaining about it because it doesn't do enough for you and has no armor. Then all you do is cry about it when others proved you wrong. You really do need to get out and get a life. 

 

Yes, with Grille is common to be impossible hit 4 shots.. The idiot is you that just do not play this crap vehicle, that do not have one. Shut up.
Ground the vehicle first, play it. Talk about it after.

Now these jerks can understand how frustration is try to play this crap vehicle that nobody ground, THAT WARGAMING PUSHED OVER US PERIOD.

Edited by PCA_PANADES, Jan 03 2018 - 22:27.


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View PostPCA_PANADES, on Jan 03 2018 - 22:25, said:

 

Yes, with Grille is common to be impossible hit 4 shots.. The idiot is you that just do not play this crap vehicle, that do not have one. Shut up.
Ground the vehicle first, play it. Talk about it after.

Now these jerks can understand how frustration is try to play this crap vehicle that nobody ground, THAT WARGAMING PUSHED OVER US PERIOD.

 

Doesn't seem like you actually play it very much either and just start a battle and sit around in it. It doesn't have crap pen and has a super accuracy to make up for the medium/medium-high pen. 


Which its GRIND the vehicle which I've started the line but I play across most of my tanks. Seems all you do is [edited]about it, stop playing it and find something that suits your lack of active play style better. 



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yo also tell WG to buff Skorpion G if theyre going to buff Grille 15 since both has no armor :D

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View Post___pew, on Jan 04 2018 - 01:03, said:

yo also tell WG to buff Skorpion G if theyre going to buff Grille 15 since both has no armor :D

 

I don't know if you notice that Grille 15 was put on tier X. The G vehicle is on tier VIII. 

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View PostPCA_PANADES, on Jan 02 2018 - 04:43, said:

 

Man, you are one idiot. If you do not have a tank do not talk about it. Shut up.
You never played a Grille 15. Before the nerf it was a S H I T. Now it is quite unplayable.

 

Wow nice necro, took a while to see what I posted almost a year ago.

 

And please, look at my profile before accusing me of not playing the Grille.  You'll look less stupid if you do.  :)

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I agree it need something. I had the wt e100 took a break and came back to the grille garbage. and i've seen the for and agianst comments, and argue numbers all day long the grille is junk. I went all the way back and then up the other german td line because of it,a nd now it sits idle with a chit crew in it, because it's so bad. secondly and more importantly to me. is give me my gd tank iw orked my [edited]off to get back. you stole my wte100 replaced it with trash, and threw my td away. the brits however keep their death star and get and armored monster as not a replacement oh no, a free new t 10 come on. at least make it kind of look like you care about fair.




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