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BladedPheonix #1 Posted May 02 2017 - 03:51

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bit of a rant here, so sorry in advanced:amazed:

 

 

 

So I've come back after hearing WG added new light tanks. Not going to lie they look nice, but looking nice and being good are 2 different things!

 

however I've noticed a few things That I'd like some answers on, because some of these changes are really questionable. 

 

1: WG removed the autoloader for the 59-16. granted it wasn't that good but I loved the burst damage and it gave something that stood out when compared to the other tanks in the  line. question is why?:amazed:

 

2: WG said they wouldn't change the Bulldog's autoloader yet they did. Granted the Bulldog can still be competitive at tier 8 (its a good tank) but I find that 6 just isn't enough it needed a nerf they could've just removed 2 shells and gave us an 8 round drum.

 

3: oh god the french! all the guns only carry 4 round clips now? why !?!?! Even the AMX 90 at tier 9 has a 4 round drum! whats the incentive when you have a lower burst damage output and no increase in firepower? :mellow:

 

4: SPA-Panzer lost its 3-round autoloader. This gun made this tank worth getting, you didn't even give the new tier 8 the gun either. I ask again what is there to make players want to invest time/money into the line when none of the tanks have anything that makes them stand out form the rest of the crowd?

 

can anyone explain to me why they took the fangs out of autoloader light tanks? the way they look now, I don't see a reason for anyone to even consider getting one now:unsure:

 



Motok0 #2 Posted May 02 2017 - 03:52

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theyre still very strong, so...

 

???

 

 



Metagross555 #3 Posted May 02 2017 - 03:54

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the AMX 13 75 (and I think the 13 90 as well) IRL had 12 shells, seriously WG?

Edited by Metagross555, May 02 2017 - 03:55.


FavreFan4ever #4 Posted May 02 2017 - 04:21

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View PostBladedPheonix, on May 02 2017 - 02:51, said:

 

3: oh god the french! all the guns only carry 4 round clips now? why !?!?! Even the AMX 90 at tier 9 has a 4 round drum! whats the incentive when you have a lower burst damage output and no increase in firepower? :mellow:

 

 

While I can't comment on the other LT's you mentioned, I can say that the French LT's are significantly improved with patch 9.18. Sure, you lose a couple shells, but in return you gain much better gun handling, shorter clip reloads, and increased maneuverability.

 

With the exception of the ELC AMX (RIP), there isn't a better time to play French light tanks. They're fast, relatively stealthy, and can actually consistently use their four shells. What looks like a nerf on paper is balanced out by significant buffs in other areas that make French light tanks fun to play. I'd take post patch 9.18 French LT's (tier 6-10) over their previous versions any day.

 



Cutthroatlemur #5 Posted May 02 2017 - 04:21

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AMX 13 57 got buffed

Mercer_Keel #6 Posted May 02 2017 - 04:23

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T71 got a buff. it now can use the Vertstab. 

BladedPheonix #7 Posted May 02 2017 - 04:25

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View PostMercer_Keel, on May 01 2017 - 21:23, said:

T71 got a buff. it now can use the Vertstab. 

 

it always had the vertstab......:sceptic:

Grasschopper #8 Posted May 02 2017 - 04:40

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Yeah I'm not sure that the 1390 changes are really much of a nerf.  I'm performing better it in post patch than I was before.  The addition of a vstab to the french autoloaders is BIG for their accuracy.  Honestly not if I want to stat pad I play the 1357GF...this is a tank that I HATED before 9.18 and had around a 44% win rate in.  It sat unplayed for months.  I've now brought that up to 51.1% and every time I roll out in that tank I expect to return a 6k or greater WN8 win.  Anything less is seriously disappointing.  My 1390 is similar.  For instance just finished a session of playing LTs with a single game in the 1390.  Did 2k dmg with 2 kills in a tier 10 match for a WN8 of right around 6k.

 

Personally the shorter clip is MUCH easier to manage.

 

The others....yeah they mostly got the shaft...but the 1390 is god mode right now.  I kind of expect a nerf in the future.



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Come on Bro...The Auto Loaders got a nerf because (if played correctly) they did crazy ownage even two tiers under!  They are still strong, but the tactics have to change a bit.

 

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Sgt_Skalisky #10 Posted May 02 2017 - 04:51

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They were nerfed because you will find yourself top tier or middle tier on a regular basis now and even when you are low tier there are 6 other tanks the same tier, not 1 or 2. It's great. Welcome back.  



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View PostBladedPheonix, on May 01 2017 - 19:25, said:

 

it always had the vertstab......:sceptic:

 

im dumb

BladedPheonix #12 Posted May 02 2017 - 05:03

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View PostSgt_Skalisky, on May 01 2017 - 21:51, said:

They were nerfed because you will find yourself top tier or middle tier on a regular basis now and even when you are low tier there are 6 other tanks the same tier, not 1 or 2. It's great. Welcome back.  

 

oh that's right, they changed MM completely didn't they? still haven't read the full list of notes yet. I was going to assume that Light tanks would have been treated different for some reason.:unsure:



Gothraul #13 Posted May 02 2017 - 05:15

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It is what it is and we just have to make do until WG decides to improve these tanks sadly we all know how WG can drag their feet for years.

Knumb_Knutz #14 Posted May 02 2017 - 05:15

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Be happy with the Walker Bulldog because they originally wanted to totally remove the autoloader, COMPLETELY, and just go with the standard gun.  

 

I now go with the standard gun because you get higher DPM now.  With the 10 round autoloader, the DPM's were about equal.



Harkonen_siegetank #15 Posted May 02 2017 - 05:37

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View PostBlucraft, on May 01 2017 - 22:43, said:

Come on Bro...The Auto Loaders got a nerf because (if played correctly) they did crazy ownage even two tiers under!  They are still strong, but the tactics have to change a bit.

 

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This. Also, getting tired of ELC criers. 

fodder49s #16 Posted May 02 2017 - 05:41

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They have no idea how their game works anymore.

 

Two years ago they had the big mea culpa meeting in Cyprus and conceded that maps were the problem. They said that fixing the maps was the solution to the problem and pledged that they'd stop introducing superfluous tank lines and concentrate on the nuts and bolts of the game.

 

Since then? They've introduced two more himmelsdorf-style maps (buildings on 3/4ers, a useless strip in the remaining 1/4). They've also introduced a new tank line and vomited out a bunch of prems. For their crowning achievement, they've taken a dump on lights.

 

They have no idea how their game works.



Hurk #17 Posted May 02 2017 - 05:48

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the reload change on the 13-90 makes it worth while... far more usable tank. 

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View PostFavreFan4ever, on May 02 2017 - 03:21, said:

 

While I can't comment on the other LT's you mentioned, I can say that the French LT's are significantly improved with patch 9.18. Sure, you lose a couple shells, but in return you gain much better gun handling, shorter clip reloads, and increased maneuverability.

 

With the exception of the ELC AMX (RIP), there isn't a better time to play French light tanks. They're fast, relatively stealthy, and can actually consistently use their four shells. What looks like a nerf on paper is balanced out by significant buffs in other areas that make French light tanks fun to play. I'd take post patch 9.18 French LT's (tier 6-10) over their previous versions any day.

 

 

That's a dirty lie. The entire French light tank line wobbles up and down between bad and mediocre until you hit the 1390 which is the first tank in the line that is particularly good. The ELC is one of the less terrible tanks in the line, even after the nerfs. The AMX 12t on the other hand has DPM that would look bad on a tier 3 tank, it has worse viewrange than most tier 6 heavies and mediums, and it fires as fast while unloading its tiny clip as the Type 64 does all the time, which makes it one of the worst tanks in the game (and yes I know how to play it, I have it 3 marked). The AMX 1375 at least has semi-respectable DPM and is more on the side of mediocre instead of actively bad, though it can't compete with the WZ-131 or T71 which are both ridiculously good at tier 7. The BC 12t is a fun little dune buggy to drive around in but unfortunately it has one of the worst guns you can get on any tank at tier 8, which makes it incapable of consistently carrying games even if you do more average damage per game in it than 99% of the playerbase. The comparison between basically any of these tanks and their equal tier counterparts from other nations makes them look EXTREMELY bad by comparison. As far as I'm concerned, anyone looking to grind up the French light line in 2017 is basically doing the equivalent of the British heavy grind, since just like that line it is going to be an awful slog until you reach tier 9.

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View PostFavreFan4ever, on May 02 2017 - 03:21, said:

 

While I can't comment on the other LT's you mentioned, I can say that the French LT's are significantly improved with patch 9.18. Sure, you lose a couple shells, but in return you gain much better gun handling, shorter clip reloads, and increased maneuverability.

 

With the exception of the ELC AMX (RIP), there isn't a better time to play French light tanks. They're fast, relatively stealthy, and can actually consistently use their four shells. What looks like a nerf on paper is balanced out by significant buffs in other areas that make French light tanks fun to play. I'd take post patch 9.18 French LT's (tier 6-10) over their previous versions any day.

 

 

That was an interesting read. It kinda tempts me to give the Froggy lights a new shot. But, on the other hand, post-patch, I see them and think "meat on the table" and kill them as per usual. That being said, I'll concede the 13-75 has the drop on my chaffee now. I used to love gobbling those things up as free damage. Not anymore.



Helmz #20 Posted May 02 2017 - 06:01

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I find myself deep in it with the AMX 12T.  I try to keep drum full for engagements but if you come across a full HP tank most of the time you can't clip them out, and alot of the time Im getting smoked as i try to get away and reload.  I need a lot of practice though.





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