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bubbleboy264 #1 Posted May 03 2017 - 00:35

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While the new mm has a lot of good things, one thing I hate is how often I am bottom tier. Due to the limited number of top tiers allowed in a round, it's much rarer to actually be top tier. While being bottom tier doesn't suck as much as it did before, it's incredibly annoying how often I am bottom tier. While the new system is better, you should be able to be top tier more often. Another issue is that for popular tiers (tier 5, 6, 8, etc)  the mm is over saturated with them so many games are all one tier, which can be boring and frustrating, and screws up mm for other tiers so they are always bottom tier (tier 4, 9, 3, etc)

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LordSerb #2 Posted May 03 2017 - 00:39

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Play tier 10 so you're never bottom tier :)

bubbleboy264 #3 Posted May 03 2017 - 00:40

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View PostLordSerb, on May 02 2017 - 18:39, said:

Play tier 10 so you're never bottom tier :)

 

Yeah my highest tier tank is tier 8

Iwanttohithemwithmysword #4 Posted May 03 2017 - 00:44

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Yeah in a 3/5/7 split you have a 3 in 15 chance of being top (20%) while you have a 7 in 15 chance of being bottom (47%). In a 5/10 split you have a 1/3rd chance of being top and a 2/3rd chance of being bottom

bubbleboy264 #5 Posted May 03 2017 - 00:50

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View PostIwanttohithemwithmysword, on May 02 2017 - 18:44, said:

Yeah in a 3/5/7 split you have a 3 in 15 chance of being top (20%) while you have a 7 in 15 chance of being bottom (47%). In a 5/10 split you have a 1/3rd chance of being top and a 2/3rd chance of being bottom

 

You got to be kidding me

Iwanttohithemwithmysword #6 Posted May 03 2017 - 00:52

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View Postbubbleboy264, on May 03 2017 - 00:50, said:

 

You got to be kidding me

 

Nope, that's just the way the numbers work out. Half the time your tier 8s are going to fight tier 10s; this is the new 'normal'

Weslinator #7 Posted May 03 2017 - 00:56

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MM will remember how often you are bottom tier and give you top tier every 1 or 2 out of 10 battles.

bubbleboy264 #8 Posted May 03 2017 - 01:01

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Seriously WG needs to fix this it's so frustrating and annoying.

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View Postbubbleboy264, on May 03 2017 - 01:01, said:

Seriously WG needs to fix this it's so frustrating and annoying.

 

this is the fixed version...

Rin_ #10 Posted May 03 2017 - 01:21

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View Postcloudwalkr, on May 03 2017 - 01:18, said:

 

this is the fixed version...

 

My favourite part of the time leading up to this patch was people mocking me for saying the new MM was going to suck.

Mercer_Keel #11 Posted May 03 2017 - 01:49

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View PostWeslinator, on May 02 2017 - 15:56, said:

MM will remember how often you are bottom tier and give you top tier every 1 or 2 out of 10 battles.

 

No they never said that. 

 

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After you’ve fought at the bottom for a few consecutive battles, the matchmaker will try to find a team where you get in the middle/top of the list, regardless of whether you play in the same vehicle or choose a new one during this session. However, if it sees that this will have you waiting for quite a while, it will match you into a battle with a suitable tier split.

 

 what does that mean you may ask. they will try... key word is try to put in a match where you are top tier or middle tier. This follows you regardless of tanks. So if you play a lot of 6s or 8s as bottem tier then play one tier 10 match the system is reset because your now top tier. 

CHOSSIN #12 Posted May 03 2017 - 01:51

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Being bottom tier isn't the end of the world. The 3/5/7 split you have 7 (47%) enemy the same tier as you. If you are the 5, you have 12/15 tanks (80% of the enemy) same tier or below.

 

Then you have the 5/10 split, if you are the bottom, 10 tanks (66.6% of the enemy) are the same tier as you, and the 5 (33%) are ONE tier higher. 

 

Toss in the matches that are all the same tier, and the few games that you get top tier, it's not that bad. 

 

The only problem I am seeing is the heavy imbalance or my team's top tier are lights and the enemy top tiers are heavy's. Impossible to win? Nope. Just makes it more of a challenge. Thanks to this situation happening to me in my T71, I completed the Crucial Contribution mission in a pub match with 2 random tankers. 6 kills in my T71 and 3 each from my team mates. 

 

The old MM I could go all night in tier a 8 vs tier 10's. 

 

I like the new system. Although my WR is dropping. 



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It's fine, IMO.  YMMV

8_Hussars #14 Posted May 03 2017 - 02:01

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View Postbubbleboy264, on May 02 2017 - 16:50, said:

You got to be kidding me

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Seriously WG needs to fix this it's so frustrating and annoying. 

 

Wowzers, 8/15 times you get pref mm or better and even when your -2 you have a legitimate chance to contribute... and even all the same tier wont suit.  Next you will be complaining about med/heavy tank balance.

 

As LordSerb said if you want top tier play 10s.

 

As much as I was suspicious of the 3/5/7 MM schema I am liking it so far.



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View PostCHOSSIN, on May 02 2017 - 16:51, said:

Being bottom tier isn't the end of the world. The 3/5/7 split you have 7 (47%) enemy the same tier as you. If you are the 5, you have 12/15 tanks (80% of the enemy) same tier or below.

 

Then you have the 5/10 split, if you are the bottom, 10 tanks (66.6% of the enemy) are the same tier as you, and the 5 (33%) are ONE tier higher. 

 

I love when people try to make this argument. 

 

All this means is that the good player that is top tier now has 47% more bottom tier tanks to farm on.

 

All this MM does is make top tier wet dreams.  



Lord_Hiney #16 Posted May 03 2017 - 02:04

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People need to let go of the old ideas of what it meant to be bottom tier. They simply do not apply anymore.

Slatherer #17 Posted May 03 2017 - 02:15

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Tier 9 has been the sweet spot for a long time now.

If you are bottom tier too much, dont play crappy tanks.  Dont play tanks that are not fully upgraded.  

But if you have to, take heart, you're playing with a severe handicap.

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View PostLord_Hiney, on May 02 2017 - 17:04, said:

People need to let go of the old ideas of what it meant to be bottom tier. They simply do not apply anymore.

 

wow just like the people before you that are saying the same thing. 

 

STOP AND THINK FOR YOURSELF. 

 

Your all just letting WG feed you what they want and not doing any research for yourself.   

 

You don't have to believe me when I say that this new MM just loads more cannon fodder for top tiers. But please look in to it. 

 

Now if one of the top tiers is a good player they are going to just feed. Its what they have been doing and now they are doing more of it. 

 

Buts lets say they are the same skill set as you. Well they have better armor, better alpha, faster reload, more pen, faster tank then you have as bottom tier.  So who wins?  the top tier. Even in a 1 vs 2  an avg player top tier will beat 2 avg player bottom tier. 



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This video is with old MM, but im kinda ok player in a TD that has 0 armor. Even though the tier 8s should just be fight each other I farmed the hell out of them. Now had this been a really good player he would of had 10+ kills 

 



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The split is fine more or less, though it should be the majority being middle tier not bottom.

 

The new MM is worse as I see more 15-(0-3) type battles now then ever before as it doesn't balance the tanks at all regardless of class like they say it does. The only fix is to actually balance the teams which means class and skill at least remotely close. Well and an easy fix is ban the idiots that have blatantly botted thru the game to the top tiers.






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