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Tahllol #21 Posted May 03 2017 - 02:30

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View PostSlatherer, on May 03 2017 - 02:15, said:

Tier 9 has been the sweet spot for a long time now.

If you are bottom tier too much, dont play crappy tanks. Dont play tanks that are not fully upgraded.

But if you have to, take heart, you're playing with a severe handicap.

 

guess what cupcake you have to play the tanks to get them upgraded. But I guess we can just macro thru the game just clicking battle and not actually fight until we get to the higher tiers as a large amount of the players do and WG doesn't seem to care. Hell people with 40k matches and 60 win8 should have been banned long ago.

badmonkey59 #22 Posted May 03 2017 - 02:52

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I've played only 2 or 3 games a night for the past week. A few games with horrid teams at low tier and I'm done for the night. I've not purchased premium time, something I have run every month for 3 or 4 years. Arty is now just plain stupid and there are 2 or 3 in almost every game. My favorite light tanks are now a joke.

 

WG has done a great job at pushing me away from this game.



cloudwalkr #23 Posted May 03 2017 - 03:04

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View PostRin_, on May 03 2017 - 01:21, said:

 

My favourite part of the time leading up to this patch was people mocking me for saying the new MM was going to suck.

 

I think most people saw that it would have certain flaws just as the old one did. 

POLIZEI110 #24 Posted May 03 2017 - 04:09

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View PostWeslinator, on May 02 2017 - 23:56, said:

MM will remember how often you are bottom tier and give you top tier every 1 or 2 out of 10 battles.

 

Bull, I had a run of 31 matches over a 2 day period where I was constant bottom tier!

Striker_70 #25 Posted May 03 2017 - 05:39

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Even if you're bottom tier more, you're still facing 7 or 10 tanks with the same tier as you.  That's huge.  Before you could be facing 2 same tier tanks and the rest of the tanks could be 2 tiers above you.  Good luck getting much done in those battles.  Now you are able to do something every single time you press battle, youll never have to face 10 tanks 2 tiers above you again.

 

The new MM is probably one of the best changes this game has had in years.



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View PostTahllol, on May 02 2017 - 17:30, said:

 

guess what cupcake you have to play the tanks to get them upgraded. But I guess we can just macro thru the game just clicking battle and not actually fight until we get to the higher tiers as a large amount of the players do and WG doesn't seem to care. Hell people with 40k matches and 60 win8 should have been banned long ago.

 

:D

 

Ok, whatever, man.

 



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When you run the numbers of all possible 3 tier MM tables you get this: Top tier 16%; Mid tier 24%: Bottom tier 60%. So being bottom tier most of the time is normal now.

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View PostStriker_70, on May 02 2017 - 20:39, said:

Even if you're bottom tier more, you're still facing 7 or 10 tanks with the same tier as you.  That's huge.  Before you could be facing 2 same tier tanks and the rest of the tanks could be 2 tiers above you.  Good luck getting much done in those battles.  Now you are able to do something every single time you press battle, youll never have to face 10 tanks 2 tiers above you again.

 

The new MM is probably one of the best changes this game has had in years.

 

again MM is just making more lower tier tanks for the top tiers to feed on. 

Nubslayer #29 Posted May 03 2017 - 08:17

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the new mm is incentive to free xp to tier 10 on your credit card.

 

then you need premium account to afford playing your top tier tanks.

 

it's all about the credit cards. i saw it coming and you should have too.

 

 

 

 

 

 



SteelWeazel #30 Posted May 03 2017 - 13:12

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I play tier3 through tier 10 and play mid tiers alot I am top tier about every 3rd battle at mid tier game.  MM is working just fine and I fined I contribute more to my matches now.  I doubt you  are bottom tier all the time then again serb hates you so you must pray to the tank gods more.

Imglidinhere #31 Posted May 03 2017 - 13:14

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View Postbubbleboy264, on May 02 2017 - 19:01, said:

Seriously WG needs to fix this it's so frustrating and annoying.

 

Dude... you clearly don't remember the fights of being one of maybe TWO tier 8s up against 10 tier 9s. xD Seriously. This MM is infinitely better in every way.

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View Postbubbleboy264, on May 03 2017 - 00:35, said:

While the new mm has a lot of good things, one thing I hate is how often I am bottom tier. Due to the limited number of top tiers allowed in a round, it's much rarer to actually be top tier. While being bottom tier doesn't suck as much as it did before, it's incredibly annoying how often I am bottom tier. While the new system is better, you should be able to be top tier more often. Another issue is that for popular tiers (tier 5, 6, 8, etc)  the mm is over saturated with them so many games are all one tier, which can be boring and frustrating, and screws up mm for other tiers so they are always bottom tier (tier 4, 9, 3, etc)

 

I have not really experienced that, I am more often middle tier and sometimes top tier, I only have 1 Tier 10 tank so I stay in the 6 and 8 tier tanks. I am actually enjoying Tier 7 tanks more with the changes, before in my Tier 7 tanks, it would always be me VS 60% Tier 9 tanks, 30% Tier 8 tanks and then finally 1 or 2 Tier 7 tanks. Just recently got the T20 as I was going to free xp to the pershing but decided to give it a try with the new mm changes and so far it has been far better than before.

Hualalai #33 Posted May 03 2017 - 17:32

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I am always amazed at how people are always bottom tier and no one is ever top tier.

badmonkey59 #34 Posted May 03 2017 - 20:43

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View PostHualalai, on May 03 2017 - 10:32, said:

I am always amazed at how people are always bottom tier and no one is ever top tier.

 

Nice [edited]comment.

 

The new MM seeds match differently and 2 tiers that really have taken a hit are 6s and 8s. Odds are that these 2 tiers will only see top tier 20% of the time (at best). I happen to like 6s and 8s so I've really seen the difference. Of course I could play tier 10s and always be top tier, but that really isn't a solution if I enjoy(ed) 6s and 8s.



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View PostIwanttohithemwithmysword, on May 02 2017 - 18:44, said:

Yeah in a 3/5/7 split you have a 3 in 15 chance of being top (20%) while you have a 7 in 15 chance of being bottom (47%). In a 5/10 split you have a 1/3rd chance of being top and a 2/3rd chance of being bottom

 

That assumption just ignores the types and tier of tanks actually queuing up at any given moment. 

SteelRonin #36 Posted May 03 2017 - 20:57

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In a tier 8, I am always a bot tier, so I ask to myself, when the players that play tier 6 say they are always bot tier......What tier 8s are they facing then?....Who are the lucky ones to be tier 8 in a tier 6 battle?....

 

My % for moe is reducing gradually......my % win rate is reducing gradually......I jumped to tier 10, but I hate that tier hahahaha.



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View PostSteelRonin, on May 03 2017 - 14:57, said:

In a tier 8, I am always a bot tier, so I ask to myself, when the players that play tier 6 say they are always bot tier......What tier 8s are they facing then?....Who are the lucky ones to be tier 8 in a tier 6 battle?....

 

My % for moe is reducing gradually......my % win rate is reducing gradually......I jumped to tier 10, but I hate that tier hahahaha.

 

How about trying that again in english you nazi.

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The only notable things I've noticed are

1) I seem to get "all 1 tier" matches every now and again, especially at tier 10.  I find these "pub CW" games actually enjoyable surprisingly enough.

2)  My Tier 7s are no longer put in games where you have roughly 2 other tier 7 tanks in the entire match, and a bunch of 8 and 9 tanks.  This is a GODSEND when you're grinding out things.

3) Also every now and again, I get to be the "big dog."  To me, the occasional match like this is much more noticeable, and much more enjoyable than several games where you have 10 other top tier tanks on your team, and a smattering lower players.  A "Bonus Level" if you will.  Do i think #3 happens 30% of the time or better?  No. But, the games where i am top tier are much more enjoyable than before.

 

Bottom line:  Far better to have a bunch of OK games with the occasional "Bonus!" than a bunch of OK games with the occasional "sucks to be you" game mixed in.

 

 

Another way to look at it:  Take 2 options:  A top heavy Match, or a Bottom-heavy match.  Ask yourself if you would have more fun at each position on the board, because you'll find yourself at both of them at times.

If you're top tier with a most of the team made of top tier tanks, is it more fun than if you're top tier surrounded by tanks you can steamroll? 

If you're bottom tier, would you prefer to have a bunch of tanks you are on par with, or almost no one who you measure up to?

For me, at least, both times i find myself having more fun with a Bottom-heavy match, which is what WG has done with the new MM.

 

 

 



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The biggest problem I see with MM is sometimes battles have a large imbalance of heavies.  I've seen 6+ on one team and maybe 2 on the other.  Now those are spread between tiers but that large of an imbalance on heavies usually affects the battles I've been in.  

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Welcome to New MM, where its one top tier match then low tiered for 10-12 games. Last night I began grinding the AMX light line, and played 14 consecutive T6 matches in a AMX40. Prefferential MM premiums are also getting shafted super hard by this. 

 

In old MM, you might top tier all evening, or you might not see a good match all night, but you'd usually top tier a few times an hour on any given night. 






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