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Why is the Foch 155 considered inferior to other tier X TDs

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BritishGeneral #1 Posted May 03 2017 - 15:41

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before patch 9.15, I always considered the Foch decent, but never a comparison to the WT E-100. Now the Foch is the only auto loading TD at tier 10, but it is not sought after. I am currently at the tier 8 and eager to pick up the tier 9. Any thoughts or opinions on the Foch? I have often heard that French TD line is considered one of the worst in the game.

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DarlingInTheTanxx #2 Posted May 03 2017 - 15:44

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Long intra-clip, long inter-clip, potato gun handling, two gigantic tumors that pretty much everything can pen, the sides are overmatched by just about everything, the list goes on and on. 

scharnhorst310 #3 Posted May 03 2017 - 15:46

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accuracy is bad, shell velocity is subpar, dispersion is horrendous, no armor, slow acceleration, mediocre handling... oh and it has a long reload. That said, sure it has its moments, but they are few and far between. It is a tank that if you want to have any chance of doing pretty well, you better be a damn good player, or very lucky. 

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Insurrectional_Leftist #4 Posted May 03 2017 - 15:46

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It was badly nerfed by WG, back in the past.  It has issues.  I'm putting that mildly.  I tried 2 battles with it during this 9.18 patch, and things have not improved with it.  It's been a major disappointment for those of us who grinded hard to there from the French TD tree  :(

RMxR #5 Posted May 03 2017 - 15:50

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View PostBritishGeneral, on May 03 2017 - 08:41, said:

before patch 9.15, I always considered the Foch decent, but never a comparison to the WT E-100. Now the Foch is the only auto loading TD at tier 10, but it is not sought after. I am currently at the tier 8 and eager to pick up the tier 9. Any thoughts or opinions on the Foch? I have often heard that French TD line is considered one of the worst in the game.

 

Because it has "low" hp, it has a long reloading time between each shell,  and because players still remember the beast it used to be and compare it with the present one.

 

I just don't like the reload time between shells.

 

 

 


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Tankdemonium #6 Posted May 03 2017 - 15:51

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View PostBritishGeneral, on May 03 2017 - 09:41, said:

before patch 9.15, I always considered the Foch decent, but never a comparison to the WT E-100. Now the Foch is the only auto loading TD at tier 10, but it is not sought after. I am currently at the tier 8 and eager to pick up the tier 9. Any thoughts or opinions on the Foch? I have often heard that French TD line is considered one of the worst in the game.

 

Because it used to be so much better now it only performs at 50% of what it used to be. You can make a case than the Tier VIII and IX Tanks are better than the Tier X.

TheOrangeGuy #7 Posted May 03 2017 - 15:56

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there's a reason you don't see purple streamers playing this tank... on purpose that is.

Oh, i also remember ammo racking a Foch on the police bar for 1300+ dmg - felt great.  


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HB_Landric #8 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:00

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The big joke about the Foch 155 is it has 750 DPM because one shot bounces or gets eaten by the tracks, one misses, and one does damage; then you spend 46 seconds reloading.

As an owner of one (I started the grind before the nerf) I find this to be pretty accurate, though every once in a while it has a fantastic game.

KaiserMartens #9 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:04

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If you really like it get it anyway though. Some people like (and do well in) awful tanks.

RMxR #10 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:12

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View PostKaiserMartens, on May 03 2017 - 09:04, said:

If you really like it get it anyway though. Some people like (and do well in) awful tanks.

 

Yeah i like my panzer IID :medal:

Sovereign_m #11 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:39

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#MakeFoch155greatagain. Spread the word. this tank can be a chore to work out but I have been spamming it in matches lately and wrecking fools. Trick is to go with the fast flank w/ mediums to break thru the stale mate in shock and awe fashion. PUNCH 3 guys for 750 and let the meds do cleanup work. reload. run in repeat. then RTB and smash the heavy tanks that broke thru the other side to attempt to cap your base. This tank works, but it has a very quirky and oddly situational play style that relies ALOT on map awareness, positioning, and right place right time and working on ISO'd targets. oh and spam heat out of the gun. gets expensive but you need that pen to just blast thru stupid super heavies with godly amounts of armor. 2 clips out of that gun and your at 3300 damage. GL w/ it. 

SteelRonin #12 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:49

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Foch 155 should be like the Foch tier 9, fast, accurate. The first time the Foch tier 9 came out, it was a beast, perfect in every way. It was nerfed a bit, then the Foch 155 came out......but its gameplay was different, you no longer were able to snipe, you had to brawl, unload the clip at melee, playing it like a HT. It was strong in that way due the armour. WG nerfed the armour and a lot of soft stats and now the tank is what it is today, an sluggish low dpm powercreeped TD.

 

They really need to fix it by removing the autoloader and giving it better accuracy than Foch tier 9. Or keeping the autoloader but nerfing the dmg to the same dmg of the Foch tier 9....

 

#MakeFoch155greatagain



docroberts #13 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:51

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Over all they nerfed the Hell out of it three years back and not many have tried to pick it up anymore . And now it fires 3 shells and a 50 second reload . The WT E100 finally made up for it , then ppl cried about that and so everyone sees the result of that one too . It was one of the top tanks people were trying for but you know things are getting bad when you can snapshot it with a tier 8 and pin it . 

MajorRenegade #14 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:51

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I believe the reload time should be buffed to 30-35 second at least

SideSkirtPenetration #15 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:54

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It actually is *slightly* better in 9.18, well placed shots are a little less bouncy.  Still needs buffed though...another case of WG going way overboard w/ the nerf hammer.  She used to be a beast.

Painbringer71 #16 Posted May 03 2017 - 16:55

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Skilled medium drivers pen it from across the map... its like taking a auto loader canon putting it on a Chuck Wagon pulled by fast horses and running into battle.

 

The front should be armor and deflection and it needs smaller weak spots.   The sides rear and top are paper, but that front plate is its armor and should be stronk


Edited by Painbringer71, May 03 2017 - 16:56.


_cthulhu_ #17 Posted May 03 2017 - 20:41

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The 155 was always derpy so you couldn't snipe with it.

It started with good armor in the front, 2 tumors are on top, ok side and top armour, I recall 51 or 52mm so it wasn't something to write home about but you couldn't overmatch it.

It had a 1200hp engine so it had mobility to brawl with

So, in response WG did these changes
- removed 1200hp engine, leaving current 900
- nerfed the front armour
- nerfed the side and top armour, overmatched by almost all guns shot at it
- tweaked ground resistances (I recall, not sure)
- left the gun derpy as he ll
- introduced the deathstar, then the WTFE100

The means you have to get to medium to close range to perform, but it can't survive in that close.

It has no redeeming features... There is no reason to play it

Hurk #18 Posted May 03 2017 - 21:11

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i dont recall the side armor ever being over 40. it was always super overmatch. it was one of the few weaknesses.

Zenkat #19 Posted May 03 2017 - 21:32

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This site here will show you some of the traumatic changes it faced in 8.11.  Armor throw in the garbage practically.  It used to have an 850x3 autoloader!  nerfed to 750x3.  (just like the E4 used to be 850).  They nerfed the engine power from 1200 to 1000 which hurt it a lot.

I remember before 8.11 starting the grind to it as it was wanted in clan wars by everyone before the WaffleE100 came along.

 

http://ftr.wot-news....-armor-changes/



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huh, guess it did. 




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